||Darcification of ASR|| - Page 2

OK Vis...so, Darcy and Arnav are not that different in age...but Jalebi is a bit younger...Don't be so amused with jalebi's comparison to Ms. Lizzie Bennet...yes, yes I know she does not have the poise of Lizzie...but here is where I think they are similar...

Both of them are proud women who stand up for what they believe in...They are neither intimidated by the status, money or power of the Darcys...nor are they so eager to court them or be courted by them that they make any compromises. Something you can't say about the so called confident business woman La...Both of them have strong connection and backing by their dad..and a mom who does not necessarily see it the same way as the dad. Both have a very very strong connection with their elder sisters who is much more mild mannered than they are...and are very genuinely concerned for their elder sisters well being and their marriage prospect.

Originally posted by: MsUniverse

OK Vis...so, Darcy and Arnav are not that different in age...but Jalebi is a bit younger...Don't be so amused with jalebi's comparison to Ms. Lizzie Bennet...yes, yes I know she does not have the poise of Lizzie...but here is where I think they are similar...

Both of them are proud women who stand up for what they believe in...They are neither intimidated by the status, money or power of the Darceys...nor are they so eager to court them or be courted by them that they make any compromises. Something you can't say about the so called confident business woman La...Both of them have strong connection and backing by their dad..and a mom who does not necessarily see it the same way as the dad. Both have a very very strong connection with their elder sisters who is much more mild mannered than they are...and are very genuinely concerned for their elder sisters well being and their marriage prospect.

The vindictive nature of Arnav and his desire to settle scores makes him different from Darcey...They are also very different in the sense that while Darcey protected Bennet family honour quietly...Arnav actually tried to destroy it by spreading the video clip about Khushi at the fashion show ...

Arnav is the new hero + antihero all wrapped in one...I don't see much of antihero angle in Darcey...

Great post, Vistaa ... and great replies here! 👏 I think the strongest differentiating factor, as everyone has pointed out, is the vindictiveness in ASR, which was not there in Darcy - Darcy was merely supercilious and high-nosed in his attitude because of the class difference, which was a huge factor in those days (correct me if I'm wrong, I read PnP ages back) ... whereas here, ASR was downright mean and vindictive towards Khushi ... not only towards Khushi, his attitude was to cruch everyone who dared to come in his way (remember the scene with the Sindhi studio owner in the first few episodes). And I think the reason for this is of course ASR's past ... Darcy had no bitter past ... he was of the upper class, by the upper class and for the upper class ... his looking down on Lizzie was based solely on that ... and of course reinforced by Mrs. Bennet's behaviour.

While ASR ... from what they have shown, my reading is, he and Anjali were from a rich family at the start (they owned Sheesh Mahal), they were gypped out of it when the tragedy in their family happened, which from all ASR says about women of a certain class being grasping and matlabi, would probably have been something to do with a woman from that class ... and ASR had to fight and work night and day to get that wealth and position back ... also, since the betrayal involved his own chacha, his inclination to distrust everyone and his bitterness stems from there ...
So the darcification (love that word 😆) as you call it ... is to me, a lessening of the bitterness ... a changing of his views about Khushi in particular at the moment only ... don't see him changing his views about the world in general yet of course ...

My next point ... till now, I've been assuming that Arnav will fall in love first, but will fight his feelings ... while Khushi, once she realises, will not fight them ... but after watching Friday's episode again (and again ... 😉) ... am wondering about that. In PnP, Darcy proposed to Lizzie ... he accepted his feelings, with VERY bad grace, true 😆 ... but he did ... and Lizzie turned him down. Looking at the possessiveness in Arnav's attitude on Friday I wonder if the same will happen here ... Will he approach her and will she turn him down?

Originally posted by: DiyaS

Great post, Vistaa ... and great replies here! 👏 Thanks Diya😊I think the strongest differentiating factor, as everyone has pointed out, is the vindictiveness in ASR, which was not there in Darcy - Darcy was merely supercilious and high-nosed in his attitude because of the class difference, which was a huge factor in those days (correct me if I'm wrong, I read PnP ages back) ... whereas here, ASR was downright mean and vindictive towards Khushi ... not only towards Khushi, his attitude was to cruch everyone who dared to come in his way (remember the scene with the Sindhi studio owner in the first few episodes). And I think the reason for this is of course ASR's past ... Darcy had no bitter past ... he was of the upper class, by the upper class and for the upper class ... his looking down on Lizzie was based solely on that ... and of course reinforced by Mrs. Bennet's behaviour. Not to the extent Arnav is, but Darcy was fighting his own demons when he first comes to Netherfield...he had been shattered by his sister's near elopement and Wickam's treason. But you are right, he didn't have as bitter a past as Arnav apparently does.

While ASR ... from what they have shown, my reading is, he and Anjali were from a rich family at the start (they owned Sheesh Mahal), they were gypped out of it when the tragedy in their family happened, which from all ASR says about women of a certain class being grasping and matlabi, would probably have been something to do with a woman from that class ... and ASR had to fight and work night and day to get that wealth and position back ... also, since the betrayal involved his own chacha, his inclination to distrust everyone and his bitterness stems from there ...
So the darcification (love that word 😆) as you call it ... is to me, a lessening of the bitterness ... a changing of his views about Khushi in particular at the moment only ... don't see him changing his views about the world in general yet of course ... Thanks😊

My next point ... till now, I've been assuming that Arnav will fall in love first, but will fight his feelings ... while Khushi, once she realises, will not fight them ... but after watching Friday's episode again (and again ... 😉) ... am wondering about that. In PnP, Darcy proposed to Lizzie ... he accepted his feelings, with VERY bad grace, true 😆 ... but he did ... and Lizzie turned him down. Looking at the possessiveness in Arnav's attitude on Friday I wonder if the same will happen here ... Will he approach her and will she turn him down? Possible. Though in my mind, Khushi's guest-house flare-up and her subsequent , shall we say rather frank 😉 expression, of exactly what she thought of him, in his house no less, parallels the first proposal in P&P. This was the first major showdown that served to even the balance of power...before this, Khushi was just a lowly employee and Arnav the Lord and Master. Much like Darcy feeling he was doing Lizzy a favour by proposing and that she would fall at his feet in gratitude. But by the end of the encounter, it was a different story altogether.

Originally posted by: DiyaS

Great post, Vistaa ... ...

My next point ... till now, I've been assuming that Arnav will fall in love first, but will fight his feelings ... while Khushi, once she realises, will not fight them ... but after watching Friday's episode again (and again ... 😉) ... am wondering about that. In PnP, Darcy proposed to Lizzie ... he accepted his feelings, with VERY bad grace, true 😆 ... but he did ... and Lizzie turned him down. Looking at the possessiveness in Arnav's attitude on Friday I wonder if the same will happen here ... Will he approach her and will she turn him down?

Originally posted by: lwfw

Great post and comparision for being different 👏
yes even i want now the next move to be done by CVs.
Thats why i hope Shyam will be catalyst as rightly put by aditi (akka tibs09 )

ASR action and reaction to kushi was initially due to just taking avenge and prove his point , because first time somebody was trying to prove the other way. Later on he kept on feeling bad because his human surface came up . Was he attracted to her while she wore red dress.
I think it was more of a surprise to him because he never treated her like a being . So first time he was made notices that she is a girl that too a beautiful girl 😳 during GH i guess he was taking responsibility of her he was confused when it made him much more humane 😆
towards her 😳

i am ready with seat belt for a jolly ride in coming weeks.
But first with teej being over , how will they make Arhi come in single screen space will be it due to resignation letter (re surfing) or
shyam

Vistaa ... Bingo ... that was my exact response to the showdown in Arnav's house ... especially after the part when he asks her 'are you done?' and she says, 'yes, I'm done' ...
Slate wiped clean ... all old rancours, all old gripes and grievances over ... now they start afresh ... as EQUALS ... the 'haisiyat' and 'aukat' thing will no longer figure in their interactions with each other ...

BUT - now where do they go from here? ... and HOW? Given that she's not working in his office any more, now the long drawn out Teej is also over ...

When Khushi left Arnav's house after the showdown, the confusion was already there in her eyes, that is this really it? Is this all over now? All the bitterness, the passion, the fire of their encounters ... the fact that Arnav was silent and let Khushi rant till her hearts content, was such an anti-climax as compared to their previous encounters ... even in the guesthouse, when she broke her silence and blew up at him, he did not take it lying down, he was aggressive in turn in trying to put his point to her when he pinned her against the wall ... he was forcing her to listen to him, whether she wanted to or not ... she fainted and put paid to that one, but the intent was there ... but the encounter in his house was incomplete in that sense ... although it levelled the playing field, but it opened up the stage of a whole new set of equations.

And again, in the Teej encounters, that sense if dissatisfaction, of something remaining incomplete is there ... because they have not been able to talk ... in the mandir, she walked away ... both times ... I think for both of them, the frustration is building up big time ... and I am now really waiting to see how and where they meet again ... alone ... as equals ...
*Diya rubbing hands in anticipation* 😛

MsUniverse (do I call you that?) ... true, I never thought about that actually ... I was thinking more in lines of their own reactions ... but you're right ... Khushi to actually refuse his proposal might be the jolt he needs to get rid of his prejudice completely. It would be interesting if the creatives take it that way ... and fairly unique ... for a girl to turn down a proposal - and such a proposal at that. And I do agree ... so far, the cv's have managed to keep me hooked to the storyline, not just Arshi ... so let's hope they continue to think out of the box.

"There is a stubbornness about me that never can bear to be frightened at the will of others." and "My courage always rises with every attempt to intimidate me." :-) Saatschi

Mahi, Maris, Diya, Saatschi,

Originally posted by: Vistaa

Class consciousness is all very well..but letting the girl fall one floor just because she is being mouthy??? For all his excesses, I don't buy the geography and history argument...ASR was essentially mean and cruel to her, which Mr. Darcy never was, even in the face of extreme provocations by Lizzy...remember the ball?

@ blue...Ok history shapes our lives and geography the world around us..I am being quite profound here to convince the sceptics😆

ASR is vindictive and cruel to Khushi but he is a man made so by circumstances..In fact this does not even merit comparasion with Mr Darcy...who is the epitome of a gentleman..A product of the Austen times..different circumstances as well..

@ ball..Yes Lizzie goaded him ..but by then for in Darcy's breast there was a tolerable powerful feeling towards her, which soon procured her pardon, and directed all his anger against another.

meaning the partiality for Lizzie made him reticent in the face of such provocation ..quite similar to Khushi's outburst in ASR's house and much like the second ball the scores were even , as the first ball was a barbed encounter one on Darcy's Part ...you recall in the first ball when Darcy saw Lizzie and in his hauteur says these lines "Which do you mean?" and turning round, he looked for a moment at Elizabeth, till catching her eye, he withdrew his own and coldly said, "She is tolerable; but not handsome enough to tempt me; and I am in no humour at present to give consequence to young ladies who are slighted by other me,pretty much the aukad haisiayat scenario..