The Strange Case Of... What-is-this-Baaz

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*** Please discuss the tracks and storyline with all the potential that they had, and that is all. I am only pointing out what could have been and where I feel the writer kinda failed to give the story its course and before anyone doubts "I am a Shivvay fan" but it does not mean I do not see the potential in Om and Rudy***



We know from Pinky's and Shivvay's admittance, time and again, that Tej pulled the business back from the brink of bankruptcy.

Who was in charge of building the business from scratch Tej

Who was in charge of Kalyani Mills during that phase Tej and possibly Jhanvi

Who (in the first episode) admitted to doing the wrongs and not flinching when he did it Tej

Who are the sons of this notorious Tej? Omkara and Rudra

So by logic the targets of all the death attempts should be...? No prizes for guessing this

Shivvay is whose son? Sorry! ... No prizes for this either

Who has been the target of every attempt to kill an Oberoi? Nope! Not Tej's sons. Though Om and Rudy are heirs to his wealth and his sins

It is Shakti's son, frankly I cannot fathom why?

Why Shivvay was targeted by Mrs. K not Om or Rudy whose father, in fact, was in charge of Kaylani Mills during Mr.K's death. It should have also been one of them that she should have had the hatred towards if you look at it logically

But no matter. Mrs. K did that only because she intended to wipe them out clean and ruin them financially, so Shivvay was a good enough start as any but if Saumya was her daughter then why the hesitation of accepting Rudy as her husband?! It was not as though she intended to stay married if it was part of a plan?

Rudy, btw would have been easier to con into marriage and, as an heir to Tej's business, a smart girl would control that wealth because Om does not care about inheritance anyways and Rudy could not be bothered by that problem. Shivvay would have happily stepped back and given her control seeing that she is Rudy's wife and if she never revealed herself as an NB the game was won.

But as the mother of, supposedly, Tia and Saumya she could have achieved at least 1 out of 2 IF that was the real story initially. Just as she arm-twisted Tia she could have arm twisted Saumya to remain married to Rudy considering this daughter did not even have any prior commitments made.

This sudden change of Saumya into a Kapoor by the writer is not only laughable but preposterous. Just to justify her as turning grey she also turned Saumya into a shallow person which she is not.

Saumya's character would never stoop to what she has made her stoop to even for revenge. She would have used a better plan and would have hated for a deeper reason.

This Saumya is more petty than Svet.

Mrs. K never really hated Annika for who she was, only for what she was becoming to Shivvay as time went by. So her wanting Annika dead was again very simply justified. She just wanted Tia to marry and get the property.

With Saumya already married to Rudy she would have pushed her to keep it that way not let her have second thoughts

That would have been the RumYa track. Perfect right there. Control of Tej's stocks and money without the Svet drama unfolding with the Ice Box crap. A chess move by Saumya but as time passed her heart would have been drawn more and more towards the son of the man who had killed her father while her head would have tried to rule that heart.

Rudy's road to maturity when he would have to face supporting his Family, because that is what Shivvay demands as his older brother - complete Family loyalty, and supporting his wife who has been wronged and who he loves very much - which Om would have supported because he knows what his father is capable of.

This tension and tug-of-war between Om and Shivvay about the marriage would be about differences in what they viewed as right but would also have been about keeping the unity of the brothers alive.

Shivvay and Om are both very headstrong and principled individuals who love each other to death.

That would also have been a story of Om and him finding Gauri, possibly a female version of Shivvay under unavoidable circumstances, taking off from there.

Then a year later you would have seen Shivvay in a similar situation as Rudy because of Annika's past and that would have been the herald of Vanvas for him. That would have been a track to watch.

Shivvay was targeted by Roop and to be fair she actually targeted the other boys as well, not just him. In my opinion the only true Vamp who would have been someone to reckon with because she was the only one who hated all of them as one big unit, including Kalyani Dadi.

She is as cold and unemotional as Shivvay when it comes to what she wants. She will go to any lengths (sacrifice her husband) to destroy the family and he will go to any lengths (sacrifice his wife) to protect his family. The Oberoi curse and boon, both.

Her attempt to use Gayatri to kill Shivvay was because of the humiliation she faced at Pinky's cost and that was the only attempt on Shivvay's life that I felt was ever justified. I loved and enjoyed the Roop and Gayatri track because everything made sense even though you got the odd hide in the Dhol' crap as a scene.

Both women targeted more of the older Oberoi's than the younger ones and the younger ones were targeted only on the basis that they were heirs. Perfect sense.

Since Mrs. K's and Roop's exit and Gayatri's death there really has been no Vamp or Villain who has been justified for hating and wanting to destroy the Oberoi's as a whole. It has always been target Shivvay which most times I find very hard to digest.

Then there is a spree of Obsessive Psycho's and this is not counting Kali who genuinely had a reason to hate Om and covet Gauri. That was a good track till Om found out who she was as Chulbul' but never gave her the benefit of doubt. It would have taken a simple secret trip to Bareilly to investigate into the man for Om to at least have doubts about what may have happened. But the writer did not do that and that killed Om for me for a long time until he returned many months later.

Since then I have found the whole show with Vamps, Villains and Psycho's who really have no business even being there or who walk in with a burning vengeance in their heart (no pun intended here) and simply fizz out with their baggage in tow (wives that have piled on as another Mrs. Oberoi)

The recent resident doctor is one such mystery because I still am trying to figure out what his whole character and role is ..lol



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Posted: 7 years ago
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On principle I agree with you Asya that the spree of psychotic villains armed with fantastical drugs and the motto ' koi kaam nahi hain toh chalo Oberois ko barbaad karte hain' irritating but I beg to differ slightly from your POV---just my opinion and not meant to bash or hurt anybody.

Shivaay has always been the great wall of the family who went to any length to preserve his family honour- the best example being his forced marriage to Annika. He can be a saint and the devil too: great many shades from white to grey to black and this made us his fan.While Tej after establishing and consolidating the business got sidetracked by playing the field and being adulterous,Shivaay took over the reins of family and business from a young age and slowly even the elders became reliant on him for everything. This is public knowledge known to even the enemies of Oberois who know that the destroy the Oberois,Shivaay must be removed from the field. Hence, this targetting of Shivaay repeatedly by all and sundry and not Om or Rudra. Om will always be the target after Shivaay because once the wall goes down,the second line of defence will be Om from the Oberois side (its another story that CV's mind walks in another tangent).

Regarding Om and Rudra,it would have been wonderful if the ideological differences between the brothers were explored keeping their love for each other intact. It would have been awesome if the brothers shared their problems and solved them together in a mature way rather than parroting lines.
Best is if the chemical wonders and 'Oh my mata' of scientific facts are stopped and we get some logic. Dr Veer as villain set out to ruin Oberois by trying to take over business in the 'business way' would have worked instead of psychotic love and chemistry in literal sense in every frame!

I would have loved a working Annika and Gauri making their name independently in the business world; a pregnancy track for Annika with difficulties. An Aniri sister track exploring how they got separated will be great. It will be wonderful if we have a track where we see that Rudy though engaged to be married to Bhavya is slowly drawn again to gentle Soumya and realising that he actually loves her and is infatuated with the more mature Bhavya!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I have been watching IB from day1. There has been tracks which would have been great story twist with full emotional drama taking sci-fi route or simple senseless blackmail route. Somehow IB is not utilising the great actors and story line available, they have this black and white characters who flip to black or white depending on the story. There are great options available Shivaay vs Om, Rudra vs Tej, Pinky vs Jhanvi or for a change OMRU trying to save Shivaay from his mahanta from the background.

I am a big fan of Shivaay and still watch IB becoz of him that doesn't mean they don't develop other characters. OMRU has such potential who are under used for plot line. There is no need for this over the top villains, all they need is the existing rivalry and complexity in IB to carry forward the story. The time spent on developing villains and sub villains and their insane plans can be better used in developing existing characters.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hriju321

On principle I agree with you Asya that the spree of psychotic villains armed with fantastical drugs and the motto ' koi kaam nahi hain toh chalo Oberois ko barbaad karte hain' irritating but I beg to differ slightly from your POV---just my opinion and not meant to bash or hurt anybody.

Shivaay has always been the great wall of the family who went to any length to preserve his family honour- the best example being his forced marriage to Annika. He can be a saint and the devil too: great many shades from white to grey to black and this made us his fan.While Tej after establishing and consolidating the business got sidetracked by playing the field and being adulterous,Shivaay took over the reins of family and business from a young age and slowly even the elders became reliant on him for everything. This is public knowledge known to even the enemies of Oberois who know that the destroy the Oberois,Shivaay must be removed from the field. Hence, this targetting of Shivaay repeatedly by all and sundry and not Om or Rudra. Om will always be the target after Shivaay because once the wall goes down,the second line of defence will be Om from the Oberois side (its another story that CV's mind walks in another tangent).

Regarding Om and Rudra,it would have been wonderful if the ideological differences between the brothers were explored keeping their love for each other intact. It would have been awesome if the brothers shared their problems and solved them together in a mature way rather than parroting lines.
Best is if the chemical wonders and 'Oh my mata' of scientific facts are stopped and we get some logic. Dr Veer as villain set out to ruin Oberois by trying to take over business in the 'business way' would have worked instead of psychotic love and chemistry in literal sense in every frame!

I would have loved a working Annika and Gauri making their name independently in the business world; a pregnancy track for Annika with difficulties. An Aniri sister track exploring how they got separated will be great. It will be wonderful if we have a track where we see that Rudy though engaged to be married to Bhavya is slowly drawn again to gentle Soumya and realising that he actually loves her and is infatuated with the more mature Bhavya!


Ty for the reply post and your POV 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Meha101

I have been watching IB from day1. There has been tracks which would have been great story twist with full emotional drama taking sci-fi route or simple senseless blackmail route. Somehow IB is not utilising the great actors and story line available, they have this black and white characters who flip to black or white depending on the story. There are great options available Shivaay vs Om, Rudra vs Tej, Pinky vs Jhanvi or for a change OMRU trying to save Shivaay from his mahanta from the background.

I am a big fan of Shivaay and still watch IB becoz of him that doesn't mean they don't develop other characters. OMRU has such potential who are under used for plot line. There is no need for this over the top villains, all they need is the existing rivalry and complexity in IB to carry forward the story. The time spent on developing villains and sub villains and their insane plans can be better used in developing existing characters.



My feelings and view point to the 'T'. I am a Shivvay fan as well and my posts will prove that lol
but off late have been given less to appreciate by the writer because of the way the story is developing or should I say 'not developing'
Ty for posting a reply 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Ujwala--

Why is this post edited?😕



Darling the post was supposed to discuss the tracks, the sense behind them and their potential. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the response and so I thought it better to edit.
I do not want to encourage any disputes and wars

I am sorry for taking it away
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hey Asya!

I encourage you to repost whatever you took off. The responses don't seem like bashing but idk what your original post was 😆

But if it does turn into bashing you can simply tell everyone to ignore that particular comment and do so yourself. I'd love to read your POV after so long! 🤗
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Risha--

Hey Asya!

I encourage you to repost whatever you took off. The responses don't seem like bashing but idk what your original post was 😆

But if it does turn into bashing you can simply tell everyone to ignore that particular comment and do so yourself. I'd love to read your POV after so long! 🤗



No my dear it wasn't so much bashing because lucky for me I think most people kinda got the hint very early that I am fully capable and willing to report and shut my own posts down.

It is just that I do not wish at this point in IB to discuss characters because that is not what the post is about.
I am not willing or capable to discuss any character simply because I do not recognize most of the original ones anymore ...lol

I guess I will re-post for now and give it a second shot. They were just thoughts that kinda flowed out that is all nothing intense 😉
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: asya34



Darling the post was supposed to discuss the tracks, the sense behind them and their potential. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the response and so I thought it better to edit.
I do not want to encourage any disputes and wars

I am sorry for taking it away

Asya, I am one of two who have responded to your post and so am sure I do not intend any fanwar. Please let me know which part of my response made you uncomfortable that fearing dispute you took away your post. I will edit it. I discussed potential tracks and what I would love to see and it includes tracks for all.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice post! Oh the good ol' days...

I think Shivaay being made the target again and again could have made sense if the writers had bothered to build up a good back story for the villains and their actions, too. In the beginning, these loopholes could be ignored because our main focus (or mine at least 😆) - ShivIka - were being treated better than all else. But I can't even say that anymore (sorry people my opinion) even though I still think theyre better off than the rest.

Again, Ill say it's the CHOICES the writers have made that screwed everything up. They could have chosen to go the emotional way on Friday but they choose drama (or at least an attempt at that) for TRPs. They could have chosen to have Shivaay involve Annika in all his previous plans but did not for TRPs. They could have chosen to NOT have that pathetic Pia track but they did for TRPs.

As a writer, the moment you start caring more about money, that's when you lose out on your writing abilities. I wouldn't even blame them for this if their twisted ideas were getting numbers but they aren't - and this is despite a khidkitor promo (not getting numbers despite promos has rarely ever happened in IB). I think they care way too much about the show running, and thats fine but they don't care about HOW it runs anymore - as long as it runs. Warna with ShivIka only there are a million things they can explore but they won't - simply because they believe it won't get numbers? (or whatever it is, idk) All I know is that theyve made some v poor choices writing-wise to keep the show goingand thats brought down what IB once used to be.

I made a post abput this before tooa(idk if u read) - Id rather the show end than whatever crap theyre showing to ruin it further.

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