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Posted: 7 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: --Risha--

Nice post! Oh the good ol' days...

I think Shivaay being made the target again and again could have made sense if the writers had bothered to build up a good back story for the villains and their actions, too. In the beginning, these loopholes could be ignored because our main focus (or mine at least 😆) - ShivIka - were being treated better than all else. But I can't even say that anymore (sorry people my opinion) even though I still think theyre better off than the rest.

Again, Ill say it's the CHOICES the writers have made that screwed everything up. They could have chosen to go the emotional way on Friday but they choose drama (or at least an attempt at that) for TRPs. They could have chosen to have Shivaay involve Annika in all his previous plans but did not for TRPs. They could have chosen to NOT have that pathetic Pia track but they did for TRPs.

As a writer, the moment you start caring more about money, that's when you lose out on your writing abilities. I wouldn't even blame them for this if their twisted ideas were getting numbers but they aren't - and this is despite a khidkitor promo (not getting numbers despite promos has rarely ever happened in IB). I think they care way too much about the show running, and thats fine but they don't care about HOW it runs anymore - as long as it runs. Warna with ShivIka only there are a million things they can explore but they won't - simply because they believe it won't get numbers? (or whatever it is, idk) All I know is that theyve made some v poor choices writing-wise to keep the show goingand thats brought down what IB once used to be.

I made a post abput this before tooa(idk if u read) - Id rather the show end than whatever crap theyre showing to ruin it further.

a

My problem with the writers since a long time has been execution of tracks. They start off with a bang but then they completely fizzle out later on.
The last track which I think had a proper closure and even execution throughout was Pinky's OMM and Shivika's reunion even though I know many people were disappointed with the whole separation phase. I think after that they kind of lost the plot in general. They tried well with vanvaas but again it turned pointless when instead of giving OmRu's characters some responsibility they made them totally dependent on Shivaay and turned whole Shivika vanvaas into group vanvaas. Thats also when their trps tanked.
The problem what I believe is that 1) they are unable to manage all the characters and would rather write pointless group scenes to give equal SS and 2) the fear of trps or audience reaction in general is making them change tracks left and right. Why is this happening? Cant they properly execute one track without fear of trps.
As for the current track am genuinely excited and also interested in it. I also think they can utilize all characters to checkmate all their enemies and the final confrontation/exposure can make for one hell of a conclusion. But dil se praying that they dont ruin this also 😆



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Posted: 7 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: Hriju321

Asya, I am one of two who have responded to your post and so am sure I do not intend any fanwar. Please let me know which part of my response made you uncomfortable that fearing dispute you took away your post. I will edit it. I discussed potential tracks and what I would love to see and it includes tracks for all.



lol dear girl. Don't read too much into it. It may have been just me. I guess IF has made me skittish to posts that are even a little about characters because I fear that arguments start and I really hate those ...lol
I used to post for fun and discussions and I need to get used to it again that is all.

Its all good trust me 🤗
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Posted: 7 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: --Risha--

Nice post! Oh the good ol' days...

I think Shivaay being made the target again and again could have made sense if the writers had bothered to build up a good back story for the villains and their actions, too. In the beginning, these loopholes could be ignored because our main focus (or mine at least 😆) - ShivIka - were being treated better than all else. But I can't even say that anymore (sorry people my opinion) even though I still think theyre better off than the rest.

Again, Ill say it's the CHOICES the writers have made that screwed everything up. They could have chosen to go the emotional way on Friday but they choose drama (or at least an attempt at that) for TRPs. They could have chosen to have Shivaay involve Annika in all his previous plans but did not for TRPs. They could have chosen to NOT have that pathetic Pia track but they did for TRPs.

As a writer, the moment you start caring more about money, that's when you lose out on your writing abilities. I wouldn't even blame them for this if their twisted ideas were getting numbers but they aren't - and this is despite a khidkitor promo (not getting numbers despite promos has rarely ever happened in IB). I think they care way too much about the show running, and thats fine but they don't care about HOW it runs anymore - as long as it runs. Warna with ShivIka only there are a million things they can explore but they won't - simply because they believe it won't get numbers? (or whatever it is, idk) All I know is that theyve made some v poor choices writing-wise to keep the show goingand thats brought down what IB once used to be.

I made a post abput this before tooa(idk if u read) - Id rather the show end than whatever crap theyre showing to ruin it further.

a



Yup totally agree with all points Risha. They have made such a mess of the whole thing that it is painful to even watch now.
Those that watched IB from the early days don't even recognize it anymore
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Posted: 7 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: ShivaayAnika

My problem with the writers since a long time has been execution of tracks. They start off with a bang but then they completely fizzle out later on.
The last track which I think had a proper closure and even execution throughout was Pinky's OMM and Shivika's reunion even though I know many people were disappointed with the whole separation phase. I think after that they kind of lost the plot in general. They tried well with vanvaas but again it turned pointless when instead of giving OmRu's characters some responsibility they made them totally dependent on Shivaay and turned whole Shivika vanvaas into group vanvaas. Thats also when their trps tanked.
The problem what I believe is that 1) they are unable to manage all the characters and would rather write pointless group scenes to give equal SS and 2) the fear of trps or audience reaction in general is making them change tracks left and right. Why is this happening? Cant they properly execute one track without fear of trps.
As for the current track am genuinely excited and also interested in it. I also think they can utilize all characters to checkmate all their enemies and the final confrontation/exposure can make for one hell of a conclusion. But dil se praying that they dont ruin this also 😆

absolutely correct @ pink

They either fizz out or there is no closure or it is a lame closure
There are too many NB tracks - certified NB's and honorary ones 😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: asya34

Yup the great Saumya twist for example 🤪
Still hoping she is helping the good guys *sigh*

I wish they forget everything trp pressure and all and write a good track. Expose Veer, reveal the KM raaz, show Shivika dealing with it, show Anika's past and how she separated with Gauri, then move on to their sister track with Trp written all over it. All they need is PROPER EXECUTION.

As from sources they have an extension till May-June, that gives them enough time to execute these long awaited tracks properly. Even if they dont get trps, the show will end with a bang.

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Posted: 7 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: Hriju321

On principle I agree with you Asya that the spree of psychotic villains armed with fantastical drugs and the motto ' koi kaam nahi hain toh chalo Oberois ko barbaad karte hain' irritating but I beg to differ slightly from your POV---just my opinion and not meant to bash or hurt anybody.

Shivaay has always been the great wall of the family who went to any length to preserve his family honour- the best example being his forced marriage to Annika. He can be a saint and the devil too: great many shades from white to grey to black and this made us his fan.While Tej after establishing and consolidating the business got sidetracked by playing the field and being adulterous,Shivaay took over the reins of family and business from a young age and slowly even the elders became reliant on him for everything. This is public knowledge known to even the enemies of Oberois who know that the destroy the Oberois,Shivaay must be removed from the field. Hence, this targetting of Shivaay repeatedly by all and sundry and not Om or Rudra. Om will always be the target after Shivaay because once the wall goes down,the second line of defence will be Om from the Oberois side (its another story that CV's mind walks in another tangent).
This was not about Shivvay and his ability to protect and shield. It was about bringing a Business House down and for that in reality every member is a target - not just one. Infact you would go for the weakest link if you really thought about attacking a family, not the strongest one.

I agree he is the great wall of his Family and that he shields all from everything but I guess the point I was trying to make is that all this is always pointing to the KM fire in which all 4 elders were involved. Why then does the writer only have the target painted on Shivvay's back? They are all children of those 4 elders and who is to say which elder is to blame for that fire. So I would think all 3 would be targeted, by the enemy, in their vengeance and thirst for revenge.

He may be the Great Wall but hurting his brothers or harming them would also manage to bring down the Great Wall.

The other boys should have been kept as targets too realistically. Initially all 3 were targeted because all 3 were heirs. She should have kept it that way

Instead she flipped Saumya who was very obviously there (at least for me) because she had something from the past that linked her to the Oberoi's and Shivvay was already targeted by Tia
That only left Om but Svet was already making his life hell by trying to break his parents up.

Regarding Om and Rudra,it would have been wonderful if the ideological differences between the brothers were explored keeping their love for each other intact. It would have been awesome if the brothers shared their problems and solved them together in a mature way rather than parroting lines.
Best is if the chemical wonders and 'Oh my mata' of scientific facts are stopped and we get some logic. 🤣🤣 That I fear will never happen with Gul at the helm

Dr Veer as villain set out to ruin Oberois by trying to take over business in the 'business way' would have worked instead of psychotic love and chemistry in literal sense in every frame!

I would have loved a working Annika and Gauri making their name independently in the business world; a pregnancy track for Annika with difficulties. An Aniri sister track exploring how they got separated will be great. It will be wonderful if we have a track where we see that Rudy though engaged to be married to Bhavya is slowly drawn again to gentle Soumya and realising that he actually loves her and is infatuated with the more mature Bhavya!

Edited by asya34 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#17
Pearl 🤗
This show should be renamed "Everybody Hates the Oberois" 😆

Basically THE BIG GUY who made questionable grey choices was Tej Singh Oberoi, aa witnessed by the shadowy gang of his brother and their wives. The result of their actions back then ,have now come back to haunt them.

And there's only one person who stands in the way of their utter destruction: Shivaay Singh Oberoi. The eldest son, heir apparent. The one Dadi raised properly to serve her house forever.

Now if he and Tej shared a mentor-apprentice like relationship, I can understand his personal sacrifice for his Bade Papa. Thanks to DBO, Tej is a sleazy, unrepentant , petty and envious old man with a huge ego; more an embarrassment than the revered founder of Oberoi Empire. Why Shivaay will risk himself to save this man I don't know. I roll my eyes like Om does these days. Yawn.

Jhanvi I understood. She did love Shivaay like her own. She was a big supporter of Annika and was a keen supporter of Shivaay finding his Ishqbaazi. That relationship was good. When she felt betrayed by his giving away OmRu's shares, and made him leave, it made sense. Cz Tej looked manipulative.

What irritates me is these Nafratbaazes are only interested in creating general nuisance and mischief in the Obros' lives. If they REALLY wanted to RUIN them, all they needed is to expose the darn factory fire secret out to the public and get all the victims families to sue them one by one for their millions.

But No, they want to "marry" each brother, get the money and status first then ruin them. Discredits their cause immediately. I am so tired of Svetlana, I feel sick Every time she comes on screen. Which was Why, the Vanvaas height of drama was such that I got excited. "YES !! FINALLY SHE'S GONNA STOP YAPPING SO MUCH AND JUST DO SOMETHING HEINOUS ALREADY !!! "

tai tai phis
Edited by AnnzSageflower7 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Ok so, I love the track you wrote about RuMya, simple, smart and logical. It really doesn't make any sense to make Soumya a NB. If they had just brought her back to play a wronged wife and bahu, I am sure no one would have any problem. But making her a NB just so that she becomes unacceptable so that people would have to accept RuVya is a failure for RuVya in itself. It's a fact and I am sure I will be getting bashed for this statement but truth is truth.
Next, Shivaay being the target for everything. I second you here. Him being the target for each and everything doesn't make much sense every time. If they want the track to focus on Shivaay, make the villains target his family members accordingly and then he can step in and be the wall he is.
Why do you think I have stopped watching? Because it's too much. I just can't. There's no progress in any characters, especially Rudra. Gauri did progress a lot in the beginning but she's stopped too now. And Everytime they show a group scene it seems like forced because audience wanted it, so they just gave a big hug and stood in the line with hands held together. Ho gaya SS. :/
No! We want a story with the SS.
I'm really done here.
Bye.

😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
#19
Pearl 🤗
This show should be renamed "Everybody Hates the Oberois" 😆

Basically THE BIG GUY who made questionable grey choices was Tej Singh Oberoi, aa witnessed by the shadowy gang of his brother and their wives. The result of their actions back then ,have now come back to haunt them.

And there's only one person who stands in the way of their utter destruction: Shivaay Singh Oberoi. The eldest son, heir apparent. The one Dadi raised properly to serve her house forever.

Now if he and Tej shared a mentor-apprentice like relationship, I can understand his personal sacrifice for his Bade Papa. Thanks to DBO, Tej is a sleazy, unrepentant , petty and envious old man with a huge ego; more an embarrassment than the revered founder of Oberoi Empire. Why Shivaay will risk himself to save this man I don't know. I roll my eyes like Om does these days. Yawn.

Jhanvi I understood. She did love Shivaay like her own. She was a big supporter of Annika and was a keen supporter of Shivaay finding his Ishqbaazi. That relationship was good. When she felt betrayed by his giving away OmRu's shares, and made him leave, it made sense. Cz Tej looked manipulative.

What irritates me is these Nafratbaazes are only interested in creating general nuisance and mischief in the Obros' lives. If they REALLY wanted to RUIN them, all they needed is to expose the darn factory fire secret out to the public and get all the victims families to sue them one by one for their millions.

But No, they want to "marry" each brother, get the money and status first then ruin them. Discredits their cause immediately. I am so tired of Svetlana, I feel sick Every time she comes on screen. Which was Why, the Vanvaas height of drama was such that I got excited. "YES !! FINALLY SHE'S GONNA STOP YAPPING SO MUCH AND JUST DO SOMETHING HEINOUS ALREADY !!! "

tai tai phis
this had me 🤣 🤣 Svet lana has become like the Oberoi Court Jester .. she sashays in throws a line and sashays out strutting her walk
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Posted: 7 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: ShivaayAnika

My problem with the writers since a long time has been execution of tracks. They start off with a bang but then they completely fizzle out later on.


Cant they properly execute one track without fear of trps.




Point 1) I couldn't agree more here. They genuinely have some great ideas but execution wise it turns into a phuski bomb

-Shivaay shooting Annika? Great idea! Going the 100 timws done before Oberoi plan way? Bleh
-Shivaay going missing a day after happy ShivIka shadee? Great idea! Shivaay returning with another woman and acting like Annika is no one? Ugh
-ShivIka going on vanvaas? Great idea! Everyone at OM joining them in Goa and resultantly taking away the emosh impact a reunion would have had? Bleh again
...and the list, as you know, goes on.. 😆

Point 2) thats actually my biggest complaint from the writers. Stop caring so much about audiences and TRPs and just write like you're never picking up a pen again and see the magic. HS is truly capable of doing wonders when she has creative freedom

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