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asya34

@asya34

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Posted: 7 years ago

Seems like the Vanvas Track might tempt me to return from my self-imposed one and actually post Random Thoughts on the forum occasionally 😉😆😆

** Disclaimer still in place- Please do not resort to petty bashing and negative arguments. Healthy discussions and gentle opinions are always welcome. I abhor and detest war zones on mature forums 😊 ***

The Best and the Beast:

We and his loved ones saw the BEST for a while now.

The Best brother, grandson, son and husband because the Best was easy with these equations where the Beast was not needed. So the Beast stayed hidden away being the Best in these loving times and this loving phase. It was easy to keep the other guy hidden away while he was not needed because being the Beast does take its toll most times.

It is a hard and dirty job being the Best Beast but someone needs to do it and that someone has always been him. It is a self-imposed Job Title and he wore it without remorse or bearing any grudge that it always almost fell in his lot.

With the threat and reappearance of the old and equally fierce Beast (Svet) who is as good at the game and as experienced as he is, the Best Beast had to reemerge. This was the Beast that needed unquestioning authority followed to his decisions made, which he had probably already realized would be difficult with his equally fierce mate. The lines would have to be drawn and the Best everything else would have to take a Sabbatical for now so as not to hinder the progress of the Best Beast.

Nothing surprising to his brothers to see this Beast emerge because that is how the Beast has always been when cornered by another fierce Beast threatening his survival. But this now is new to his mate who has to learn that the rules and the equation in their partnership will change when she is with the Beast. That is when the Beast will no longer share the equal dominance, that she is normally used to, and will expect that she step down for that time period

To those who thought that the Beast had disappeared, new flash!! He adapts as I said but never disappears.

That is what any decent, noteworthy beast worth a mention in the Beastly Book of World Records' would do. He would adapt to the new situation and mask himself as a Prince but would never lose his identity as a Beast for without that identity who would he really be?? He would be a defenseless human being who would be weak and susceptible to the other Big Beasts threatening his existence and the existence of his loved ones, his future generation so to speak.

A lion does not stop being a lion when he is with his Family. He just becomes the Beastly Protector instead of the Beast Predator. Survival of the fittest is the rule by which he lives by and his survival right now ensures the survival of his Family at large.

Return of Saumya: The Grey One

Are the inauspicious footprints just the result of destructive thoughts!?? The power of the mind is a strange thing as we all know and what havoc can a hurt and devastated soul cause to the ones responsible for this devastation?!

Food for thought

As much as I loved the chemistry and pairing of RumYa, her entry into OM coinciding with an apparent disaster that almost happened, has always bugged me right from day one. The footsteps of a Bahu or Lakshmi are supposed to be auspicious and hers were not. The job of a Bahu is to avert danger and ill fortune but for her stay at OM she could successfully not do most of those.

When she entered the OM for the first time, she almost caused the death of the 'Neev' as it would seem (just speculation as a writer remembering the chopper blowing up), had it not been for the Auspicious Feet of the Elder Oberoi Bahu, already firmly planted there, cancelling it out (Annika exchanging the papers).

This time her entrance has caused the Neev to shake and for the 'Great Wall' to withdraw his immediate presence and, so to speak, protection from the Oberoi Family because as we know he is leaving.

Does she have a past score that has been left unsettled just like Svet? Has she suffered loss and pain, because of the Oberoi's, that causes her to bring that shadow with her unknowingly?

With Shivvay leaves the Oberoi Family's auspicious protection and shield, his wife, who always averted the ill fortune and the danger with him.

Svet (the challenging Beast)has been left unguarded it seems, or has she!??

The 'Original Fixer' is leaving the building with the auspicious shield that guarded it, so to speak, and it will be up to the next OM fixer now to take on this 'Mantle' he has left behind and become the 'Great Wall' with his wife as his auspicious shield . Lucky for the man, and his Family, his auspicious shield is in place and ready to cancel out any in-auspiciousness that might emerge (Svet) even with the Elder Bahu leaving.

The time has come for Rikara to step in now.

Edited and Added to clear my stance on this what I wrote : Are the inauspicious footprints just the result of destructive thoughts!?? The power of the mind is a strange thing as we all know

My statement about the inauspicious entrance was to imply that she did not have positive or warm feelings towards the Oberoi's not that she was in general 'bad luck' to all. When you enter a home or a place you either bring in the good aura with you because you feel warm feelings towards the people there OR bring the negative feelings of hatred and revenge with you which exudes in the aura automatically ...
that was what I meant ... not that Saumya herself is unlucky

Saumya may or may not be the cause of something causing chaotic energy fields in the OM ... that is for us to see as her character unfolds after her return ...

If she is an innocent hurt by the Oberoi's and has suffered deep loss due to them, as Dadi says, the blood of the innocent will call for retribution even if she knowingly does not cause it. It is what most of us would refer to as Karma I guess

All I know is there can be only on end game - RumYa or RuvYa and I am curious to see where the PH is going with this dynamic between these 3

Edited by asya34 - 7 years ago

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Jesal

@LordLuminous

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Posted: 7 years ago

I humbly disagree, but that's not to say I don't love what you wrote. And even if Saumya is considered ill fated, I'd like that to be a Rumya track. This was alluded to by Reyhaan once, where he considered Sumo back luck.

However, I should remind you that it was Saumya that provided Rudra with the Raksha Dhaga that protected ShivKara henceforth.

Honestly, my sentiments to evil Saumya will only repel me against a certain bad egg.

Still, very awesome write up. Loved every part!

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@Tabsfully

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Posted: 7 years ago

loved reading the ill-fated/ grey-one analysis; Never had really thought of that before. Although it was as if her entry alongside who ever was there shifted the momentum toward their side.

I'd like to think of her as Factor/Chemical X. She carries enough weight to not damage anyone individually but combine it with anyone else and its reactive...

If she was on the oberoi's side that the balance would shift the game in their favor and if she is on the NB side, then balance would shift onto their side.

I asked this in the EDT too, but why is that Shivaye never involves annika in his plans when its clearly shown that the he is stronger when he has her support. If he alienates her then his energies are split in between handling annika and the opposing "beast".

In fact, she takes a step back/ would be likely to when she knows she has to emotionally/mentally support him. Otherwise her tadi comes in between and her inner turmoil may cause more chaos.. ...unless he does alienate and instigate her with purpose. The more he alienates her,, the stronger he thinks he is.

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asya34

@asya34

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Posted: 7 years ago

I humbly disagree, but that's not to say I don't love what you wrote.

And even if Saumya is considered ill fated, I'd like that to be a Rumya track.
Again this is not a personal opinion of course ... this is based on the news floating around that Saumya is coming back as grey ... if she is coming back as grey I see nothing wrong with it provided they do not turn her completely dark ... that I will have an issue with because it would be scrapping the true original character ... this part that you mentioned
(However, I should remind you that it was Saumya that provided Rudra with the Raksha Dhaga that protected ShivKara henceforth)

IF the Sr. Oberoi's have indeed cost her Her Own brother why would she not seek to hit them where it hurts the most!? An eye for an eye as they say

I personally always rooted for Rumya when it started as I saw him falling in love with her as growth that was needed but obviously the PH had other plans for them

This was alluded to by Reyhaan once, where he considered Sumo back luck. Rehyan was a nobody and nothing in that track and him saying that held zilch importance as far as I am concerned.
My statement about the inauspicious entrance was to imply that she did not have positive or warm feelings towards the Oberoi's not that she was in general 'bad luck' to all. When you enter a home or a place you either bring in the good aura with you because you feel warm feelings towards the people there OR bring the negative feelings of hatred and revenge with you which exudes in the aura automatically ... Saumya herself may not be doing so knowingly
that was what I meant ... not that Saumya herself is unlucky

Honestly, my sentiments to evil Saumya will only repel me against a certain bad egg. ha! ha! no comments there as I am neutral till Saumya's true part in this whole thing is revealed

Still, very awesome write up. Loved every part! Ty for that and for bringing in a healthy discussion ... I may need to amend the Saumya footnote to make myself clear

Edited by asya34 - 7 years ago

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asya34

@asya34

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Posted: 7 years ago

loved reading the ill-fated/ grey-one analysis; Never had really thought of that before. Although it was as if her entry alongside who ever was there shifted the momentum toward their side.

I'd like to think of her as Factor/Chemical X. She carries enough weight to not damage anyone individually but combine it with anyone else and its reactive...

If she was on the oberoi's side that the balance would shift the game in their favor and if she is on the NB side, then balance would shift onto their side.

... and hence I am hoping for a grey Saumya ... she is not an all out bad and nasty person like Svet but she can be takkar ki NB, if she puts her mind to it, to either the Oberoi's or to the Kapoors

I am hoping for her to be the 'Game Changer' for the Oberoi's where she breaks the Kapoor's from within but is shown as grey to us. That Saumya is as clever, sharp and as ruthless as Shivvay, when she wants to be, I have never doubted. I do hope they do her justice - Neha is a brilliant actress

I frankly don't have enough facts that would qualify as a sensible answer because of the way the writer plays out her plots. She has no method or logic with her 'why's' and for me to apply that to your 'why' would be insulting both our intelligence 😆

All I know is that Shivvay goes into this 'hulk' mode everytime he is confronted by a bigger and meaner beast. It is probably 'force of habit' from years of doing it. Sharing burden and the power of decision making is not Shivvay's strong point in case you have noticed ...lol so 'because I say so...' seems to be his age old mantra that he resorts to when crisis hits 😆😉

But I know that the 'brothers' are in on whatever it is and that itself is a huge change from him

I think she catches on to what he is doing because in the Promo she is there standing at the door before he even reaches it. That slightly surprised look he wears seeing her there indicates that he too is a little taken aback that she is falling in with his plans this easily and the look she is wearing is more of one of pain not anger at his decision

I have a feeling she knows it is his 'Game Face' he has on

Edited by asya34 - 7 years ago

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DarkPhoenix93

@DarkPhoenix93

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Posted: 7 years ago

You know what the saddest thing about this post was? It's 21st century and self proclaimed feminists who stood up for Annika in the past and bashed Shivaay is now calling Saumya and her footprints inauspicious...

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asya34

@asya34

Dazzler

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Posted: 7 years ago

You know what the saddest thing about this post was? Yes ... it was that the writers perspective of a character was taken literally ... pls understand my posts are not literal ...
They are always allegory's, metaphor's or symbolic when they are made ... it is the style that I use because they are never about the character but about the personality/aura of that character and what it exudes

It's 21st century and self proclaimed feminists who stood up for Annika in the past and bashed Shivaay is now calling Saumya and her footprints inauspicious...
Please read the post carefully ... it was not literally speaking about the character ... it was written as writer about the aura of a character - not the character or the FL herself ... It was not bashing Saumya ... it was making observations about where the PH was going with this FL when they introduced her

No one remembers or will remember, as grey Saumya progresses, that anyone commenting on her turning grey is just going by what the PH is making her character to be not posting their opinion on her

Just as when I refer to Shivvay as a beast, I do not mean literally, I mean his innate personality which again is speaking as a writer and from a writers POV as I always do

My statement about the inauspicious entrance was to imply that she did not have positive or warm feelings towards the Oberoi's not that she was in general 'bad luck' to all.

When you enter a home or a place you either bring in the good aura with you because you feel warm feelings towards the people there OR bring the negative feelings of hatred and revenge with you which exudes in the aura automatically ...
that was what I meant ... not that Saumya herself is unlucky

Saumya may or may not be the cause of something causing chaos in the OM ... that is for us to see as her character unfolds after her return ...

Edited by asya34 - 7 years ago

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yellomellow

@yellomellow

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Posted: 7 years ago

Interesting post.

I have been watching the show since the start and I noticed some reactions get a bit intense when he goes back to his original nature. Personally, I don't understand why he can't be himself just because he is in love. It's his personality. It's a part of who he is. Shivaay was always grey and Anika coming into his life won't change that. The same goes with Anika she will never agree to something she doesn't think is right and being in love Shivaay won't change that. Just because they are in love doesn't mean a complete overhaul of who they are. I will never like his yelling and her understanding nature irritate me beyond belief. Honesty, so does them not sharing anything, but if they shared everything then there wouldn't be much a plot or drama. He does things his way and she has a right to disagree with his methods. If she thinks something is wrong then she voices her opinion and lets it be known. I prefer internal conflicts like this any day. We should let the drama play out before we jump to conclusions, but because of the past tracks we automatically think the worst 😆

As for Saumya, my love for Sumo will never fade. Honestly, I tried to give Rudra's love story and Bhavya a chance all throughout DBO and several months in IB, but it doesn't work. This is not a slight on the actors because they are doing the best they can with what's written from them and it wasn't much. With Saumya and Rumya there is so much history and possibilities there. It works.

I feel like her being grey would actually give Rumya an amazing love story. Even if there is hatred for the Oberois there is still warmth in the way she looks at him. There is a gentleness in her tone that makes hard to believe she can be truly evil. Maybe this could lead to her letting go of her anger then tipping the scale and helping the good guys win. I always thought there were so many layers to explore with Rumya friendship, betrayal, hatred, and love. She is more than the smart girl and he is more than the jokester. If the writers give them a chance this could be an epic love story that started with revenge,turned into friendship,and finally ends with love.

Edited by yellomellow - 7 years ago

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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

Welcome back from your vanvaas 😆

I agree on what you've written about the "beast". Shivaay's SSO side has always been there. He was harsh with Anika because he needed to get his work done. But I don't like that he chose to try to resolve this Svetlana issue on his own, because this essentially looks like a repeat of the Pinky track where Anika started making decisions on her own,. We've seen how utterly that was a failure in resolving that problem and what happened to their relationship as a result of it. So I am looking forward to Anika rising as a lionness and demanding that he treat her with equal footing, rather than expecting her to stand down.

That's an interesting observation about Saumya's first entry into the show. It was so long ago that I don't even remember it anymore, but I definitely thought she harbored some good feelings for the Oberois even since the very beginning😕 I think you're reading her entry a little too metaphorically.

As far as Sumo's character is concerned, I would be happy to see her grey, but not full on evil, because it's unrealistic for someone to be so "pure" all the time. And it's time that Sumo does things that she wants, rather than heed the wishes of everyone around her as she did before. As far as Rudra's endgame is concerned. I know who the makers want😆. However even though there's a 0.00001% chance that the person I want gets chosen, I will still continue to hope. Because once I connect to a jodi, it's hard for me to replace it 😆

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Ruchi

@Rachna.KG

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Posted: 7 years ago

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The first part about SSO turning into Stone Singh Oberio is no surprise as people don't leave their basic nature when they are in love and when under duress the gut instincts and previous habbits kick in. So that was totally expected. We may see more brutality this week and we will not like it but that's SSO.

I will be honest here when I read your post about Soumya, my first reaction was that of surprise but as you have explained yourself in the next few replies, I see it more as a glimpse into HS's mind. Most of us were shocked with PH's decision of turning Soumya into negative character but if we think closely they had planned this long time ago. Like you said Soumya's friendship with Romi & her throwing Tia's phone in water when Rudra & Sahil were trying to snatch it from her. There must be many more instances but just the fact that Om had accepted her as his sister and this girl has warmth and affection oozing out of her, it would be cruel to show her as negative.

I think I read it somewhere that turning her into Vibhashan later in the story may be a good idea rather than showing her totally negative. Just like yellomellow said that it would make a very interesting love story if they take this route.

I like it that you think out of the box & that's what creativity is all about. I love reading all these different view points on IF and that's what was missing on IF for some time.

Edited by Rachna.KG - 7 years ago

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