My 2 cents on the Shivika argument today

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I liked the basic premise...it was realistic...Shivaay likes to do things his way, on his own terms and when he sees a plan failing, he has to pin it on someone other than himself first...he likes to believe that he alone can do things successfully even though his own plans have failed many times😆...I guess that is an expected trait from a guy who's built up his own business empire.

He was not at all privy to what all Anika had gone through in his absence in trying to execute things while he was out...minus point to him for not even bothering to listen or hear her out...but then that is what happens in anger...he was so frustrated over the failure of the plan that he didn't want to hear any excuses.


Now coming to the main point of the argument...in anger, out come the real underlying issues that we otherwise gloss over in our love for someone...Anika has been almost unrealistically accommodating of a random fake wife lounging around her husband and this was a major point of irritation for me since last week...seems like the writers put this in only as a reaction to some criticism by the fans😆...nevertheless, I liked that Anika raised it...and she raised it in a valid way...it built up from her first trying to patiently explain to him what Tanya had done in terms of taunting her, breaking her phone, but then hearing Shivaay actually DEFEND Tanya and saying it's none of her fault and she was just doing her job and Anika should have done hers😕, that is when Anika lost patience...and no one can blame her.


Shivaay beta, sometimes itna bhi "factual" hone ki zaroorat nahin hoti...He seems to think that just cuz it's obvious that Tanya doesn't mean anything to him, Anika shouldn't even be raising her as an issue and should be busy only focusing on the "raaz wala plan"...this lack of sensitivity towards Anika's emotions as a wife...Shivaay is being obtuse here and obviously hypocritical as well cuz if the roles were reversed, he would raise HELL over any random guy posing as Anika's fake pati...his focus is all on getting to the bottom of the raaz and somewhere in all of that, Anika's emotions as a wife got sidelined...perhaps he will realize later...but as usual he's dropped the ball despite all his grand promises...it's not out of character, though...that's important to note...he is fully capable of not seeing the big picture when he's fixated on getting to the bottom of something...today, he was operating under the presumption that Anika couldn't handle this issue so she's using Tanya as an excuse...no matter how much he loves Anika, he still thinks that she can't handle things😆 and likes to argue to cover up her mistakes.


Anika for her part, stood her ground and spoke the truth which I was glad to see...and then came Daadi😆


Daadi brings the perspective of the elders who always expect the woman to salvage things...the age old wisdom playing out...from what I understood of Daadi's dialogues, she didn't justify Shivaay, but pointed out that as a man, he will many times be obtuse to things and in times like that, it will fall to the woman to be the bigger person and not let these things affect their relationship.


So Anika understood, swallowed her hurt and resolved to not let 2Rs. fights hurt their relationship...much as I feel bad for her, in that moment, I couldn't say that this was an unrealistic thing...in any relationship, there will be many times when more often than not, a woman will step up to be the bigger person when the man will say callous or obtuse things no matter how nice a person he may be otherwise...I feel that is what this moment was about today.


Shivaay loves Anika immensely, but he is still flawed as a person...and those flaws surface periodically...in an ideal scenario, I'd like to see him LEARNING from this situation, realizing he's been insensitive to Anika by parading a fake wife in her face for whatever reason and the fact that he ALONE can't fix everything, that Anika is a partner to him in everything.


Since the writers seem to like throwing in token things based on audience criticism, let's see if they go this way and show any realization from Shivaay down the line...Talk is easy, walking it is harder...that is what Shivaay has to learn.


It's interesting...one day he's showering such immense love, concern, affection on her, cherishing her like the most precious thing in the world and the next moment, thanks to his temper, he won't see how he hurts her...it helps that Anika is immensely strong herself and doesn't back down from a fight, gives it back as good to him...or this relationship wouldn't work😆...she takes in Daadi's gyaan but that doesn't mean she will just roll over...she will find a way to do this in her own Anika way I think😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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He needs to LEARN that he is being insensitive to Anika by parading a fake wife! 😕

I think I'm done! *head-on-desk* 😭

EDIT:
I do get the anger that his plan did not work.. his impulsive nature..but the above learning at this stage.. *CVs* 😡 forget it!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: blackorwhite

He needs to LEARN that he is being insensitive to Anika by parading a fake wife! 😕

I think I'm done! *head-on-desk* 😭

EDIT:
I do get the anger that his plan did not work.. his impulsive nature..but the above learning at this stage.. *CVs* 😡 forget it!



Awww 🤗


Learning is a LIFELONG process, man...we all never stop learning😛😆...everyone's a work in progress...even the "great" SSO😆



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Great post Areyaar😳
however we both know that the CVs wont be giving anything, so it's baseless we are even going so much in depth about this fight😆

as much as i loved Annika again showing her pain, and SSO like always not seeing how hurt his wife is currently- i'm also prepared for another comedy tomorrow and SSO will remain as obtuse as ever😆

i have zero expectations because like you said after 1 week the CVs realised that "oops we forgot to show that Annika is hurt in all this" and so gave today's scene

and tomorrow it will be back to normal, Annika happy, doing comedy and again trying to do everything to protect the family and her idiot husband

as much as i accept the fight, somehow Dadi's gyan didnt sit well with me- dont know why but this made me remember Dadi's gyan when Jhanvi was going to divorce Tej... sometimes maryadaa and compromises destroy a person more like it did to Jhanvi- i know no comparison between Annika and Jhanvi, but still Dadi's advice isnt sitting well with me😆


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Posted: 7 years ago
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AY, I agree - the premise of the fight was realistic, Shivika were in character, plus the scene was a reaction to audience criticism 😆 but

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

He needs to LEARN that he is being insensitive to Anika by parading a fake wife! 😕

I think I'm done! *head-on-desk* 😭

EDIT:
I do get the anger that his plan did not work.. his impulsive nature..but the above learning at this stage.. *CVs* 😡 forget it!

Ditto my reaction too 😆 This is not the first time that Annika has had to bear with nonsense from his past or from his having to overcome his beliefs - so no, I can't see what he will learn this time around. I'd take it if he simply realized later that he took out his frustration on her and tell her that. Am on team Annika today 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashti1234


i have zero expectations because like you said after 1 week the CVs realised that "oops we forgot to show that Annika is hurt in all this" and so gave today's scene

and tomorrow it will be back to normal, Annika happy, doing comedy and again trying to do everything to protect the family and her idiot husband

Spot on! 😆 Comedy in Goa coming up!😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashti1234

Great post Areyaar😳

however we both know that the CVs wont be giving anything, so it's baseless we are even going so much in depth about this fight😆

as much as i loved Annika again showing her pain, and SSO like always not seeing how hurt his wife is currently- i'm also prepared for another comedy tomorrow and SSO will remain as obtuse as ever😆

i have zero expectations because like you said after 1 week the CVs realised that "oops we forgot to show that Annika is hurt in all this" and so gave today's scene

and tomorrow it will be back to normal, Annika happy, doing comedy and again trying to do everything to protect the family and her idiot husband

as much as i accept the fight, somehow Dadi's gyan didnt sit well with me- dont know why but this made me remember Dadi's gyan when Jhanvi was going to divorce Tej... sometimes maryadaa and compromises destroy a person more like it did to Jhanvi- i know no comparison between Annika and Jhanvi, but still Dadi's advice isnt sitting well with me😆




Thanks, Ashti😆


LOL I didn't say that I don't expect this to turn to comedy tomorrow...woh toh IB ka roz ka hai...but the underlying point was made today about how Shivaay is not realizing how he is being insensitive to Anika vis a vis Tanya...Anika has been super accommodating but as usual Shivaay forgets all that in the specific moment of anger and is busy defending Tanya...lol isko Tanya maasoom bacchi lagti hai...confused SSO😆...defending the very chick who's blackmailing him😆...but the scene was executed believably to me today cuz Shivaay's whole focus was on the fact that he should have done things HIS way without involving Anika...he's not going to learn this overnight that he alone can't fix everything...will take time.


So I'm just speculating that the same way they put in this scene to make them argue today, down the line they may put in a scene of Shivaay realizing what he did wrong?😆


Re: Daadi...I didn't really find this to be in the same space as her sindoor/MS/suhaag type jaaps...those irritate me way more...today there was an underlying pragmatism in what she said...it's an ideal fantasy world where even the nicest of men don't say callous things in anger😆...and many times a woman has to look past it to make the relationship work.


And I didn't see Anika saying that she will never question Shivaay about his mistakes...she just said that she is willing to look past the fight that hurt her cuz their relationship is bigger than this.


That's the underlying message they were trying to give out...that arguments or fights shouldn't undermine a relationship to that extent...ofcourse the fact that they themselves keep putting in disrespectful premises like a fake wife and all that is something they will never introspect about😆


I dunno but I feel fights are good cuz atleast they manage to communicate the REAL issues b/w them...they just might learn from this down the road...let's see😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Liked how you explained the scenes.
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Don't like the idea of giving dadi givin gyan, but do get the thought behind it.
And yes life is a learning process. ..great sso is not spared. He is still new to the adjustment and comprise aspect of a relationship.
Generally it's been his way or the highway fie business or family decisions
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sky-if

Spot on! 😆 Comedy in Goa coming up!😆


exactly with Annika following SSO in burka, while SSO follows the senior oberois😆
and Tanya is following whom now😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sky-if

Ditto my reaction too 😆 This is not the first time that Annika has had to bear with nonsense from his past or from his having to overcome his beliefs - so no, I can't see what he will learn this time around. I'd take it if he simply realized later that he took out his frustration on her and tell her that. Am on team Annika today 😆



LOL I'm not on any team today even though I felt bad for Anika...but I don't think this fight was about taking sides personally.


@bold: A BELIEF system cannot be overcome PERMANENTLY...that was what many of us said when the show was showing such on the nose scenes of "NKK doesn't mean anything to Shivaay anymore cuz he loves Anika"😆...bas bolne ke liye bol diya types...in the real world, no one's personality changes to that extent in a year even if they fall in love and evolve.


Anyways, today was not about NKK...today was about an even more ingrained part of Shivaay's character...his anger issues especially when he feels he didn't get to execute things his way.


The real premise here is about Shivaay for the first time allowing someone to be an EQUAL partner in investigating/protecting the family...this is uncharted territory for him cuz he's never allowed for this before...Anika had to coax him SO much for him to even get to this point...and the moment he saw things messing up, he blamed it on the fact that he didn't do this by himself...he involved her and she messed up.


Shivaay has evolved a lot in his journey with Anika but nowhere did I get the impression that his anger issues have been permanently resolved😆😆...so to me, today was not surprising...although I did feel like smacking him for being so obtuse about Tanya in his "factual" mode...


He's told Anika so many times to not be so nice to him cuz he doesn't deserve it😆...but she still won't listen😆...they are stuck with each other😆

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