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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar



Thanks, Ashti😆


LOL I didn't say that I don't expect this to turn to comedy tomorrow...woh toh IB ka roz ka hai...but the underlying point was made today about how Shivaay is not realizing how he is being insensitive to Anika vis a vis Tanya...Anika has been super accommodating but as usual Shivaay forgets all that in the specific moment of anger and is busy defending Tanya...lol isko Tanya maasoom bacchi lagti hai...confused SSO😆...defending the very chick who's blackmailing him😆...but the scene was executed believably to me today cuz Shivaay's whole focus was on the fact that he should have done things HIS way without involving Anika...he's not going to learn this overnight that he alone can't fix everything...will take time.


So I'm just speculating that the same way they put in this scene to make them argue today, down the line they may put in a scene of Shivaay realizing what he did wrong?😆


Re: Daadi...I didn't really find this to be in the same space as her sindoor/MS/suhaag type jaaps...those irritate me way more...today there was an underlying pragmatism in what she said...it's an ideal fantasy world where even the nicest of men don't say callous things in anger😆...and many times a woman has to look past it to make the relationship work.


And I didn't see Anika saying that she will never question Shivaay about his mistakes...she just said that she is willing to look past the fight that hurt her cuz their relationship is bigger than this.


That's the underlying message they were trying to give out...that arguments or fights shouldn't undermine a relationship to that extent...ofcourse the fact that they themselves keep putting in disrespectful premises like a fake wife and all that is something they will never introspect about😆


I dunno but I feel fights are good cuz atleast they manage to communicate the REAL issues b/w them...they just might learn from this down the road...let's see😆


@red:
exactly, i'm expecting same and now with the comedy Goa and Don Kidnapping Sundari Bua track😆

@bold:
you know as well as me that CVs give such tracks once per month😆, so we might just not get anything at all, because neither last week nor this week SSO has realised that Annika must be really hurting inside despite she's being strong just for him😆

@blue:
you said everything, i cant add anything here😆

@underline

lol they might just learn or they might just end up forgetting everything with this dialogue from Annika - " Aap ko kuch kehne ki zarurat nahin hain! aapki kanji ankhen sab kuch kehti hein"😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: AreYaar

The real premise here is about Shivaay for the first time allowing someone to be an EQUAL partner in investigating/protecting the family...this is uncharted territory for him cuz he's never allowed for this before...Anika had to coax him SO much for him to even get to this point...and the moment he saw things messing up, he blamed it on the fact that he didn't do this by himself...he involved her and she messed up.

Annika has always helped him in some way since the serial started - fokat raja, Tia/Ms Kapoor etc. etc.. but agree he hasn't yet gotten used to her being an equal partner and I don't think he will 'cause of his need to "protect" her 😆 These two will always be on parallel tracks in solving issues, trying to protect the other immaterial of the dialogs they may be given about working together.😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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AY, I louuuve all your gift posts! Rarely comment, but will repeatedly stalk the post to drool over the GIFs.
Nice post today too !!
But I think you are being way too understanding ( a la Annika! 😆)

Shivaay being so apathetic to Annikas situation here ... That too right after the much promised grand wedding ..is a bit too much to digest ! Shivika is pretty much ruined for me... Shivaay being too insensitive and Annika being too cool with everything
They lost a bit of their charm with the contrived separation , now this contrived 3rd angle is killing the left over charm.
The only way this can be redeemed ( atleast for me ) is if they bring in a fake husband for Annika . Let's see how cool shivaay is then! But I know that will never happen. At max we will get a half assed sorry from shivaay , which Annika will cut off midway! 😡 I need to see some real regret from shivaay.
Ekdum fakester nikala yeh shivaay toh with all his meaningless vows ( with a V mind it)

Hanging on by a threadbare rope here just for the cast.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sky-if

Annika has always helped him in some way since the serial started - fokat raja, Tia/Ms Kapoor etc. etc.. but agree he hasn't yet gotten used to her being an equal partner and I don't think he will 'cause of his need to "protect" her 😆 These two will always be on parallel tracks in solving issues, trying to protect the other immaterial of the dialogs they may be given about working together.😆



She's always helped him but he's never WELCOMED the help, has he? 😆 She took a bullet for him too but that only made him more protective of her...he didn't exactly hail it as a wow that was awesome, Anika thing😆 but more as a "you crazy girl, if you'd died, mera kya hota" type thing.


Dialogues maarna has always come easy to Shivaay...haha Anika toh bol bhi diya that woh sirf baatein badi karta hai, darshan 2 Rs. waale hain😆...the fact that they atleast acknowledge what a Bol Bacchan he is shows they have some self-awareness of the hypocrisy here😆...

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Posted: 7 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: bworm

Liked how you explained the scenes.

👍🏼
Don't like the idea of giving dadi givin gyan, but do get the thought behind it.
And yes life is a learning process. ..great sso is not spared. He is still new to the adjustment and comprise aspect of a relationship.
Generally it's been his way or the highway fie business or family decisions



Exactly...this is the biggest learning curve for him I feel...even more than NKK😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: veens_11

AY, I louuuve all your gift posts! Rarely comment, but will repeatedly stalk the post to drool over the GIFs.

Nice post today too !!
But I think you are being way too understanding ( a la Annika! 😆)

Shivaay being so apathetic to Annikas situation here ... That too right after the much promised grand wedding ..is a bit too much to digest ! Shivika is pretty much ruined for me... Shivaay being too insensitive and Annika being too cool with everything
They lost a bit of their charm with the contrived separation , now this contrived 3rd angle is killing the left over charm.
The only way this can be redeemed ( atleast for me ) is if they bring in a fake husband for Annika . Let's see how cool shivaay is then! But I know that will never happen. At max we will get a half assed sorry from shivaay , which Annika will cut off midway! 😡 I need to see some real regret from shivaay.
Ekdum fakester nikala yeh shivaay toh with all his meaningless vows ( with a V mind it)

Hanging on by a threadbare rope here just for the cast.



Hey thanks, Veens😆...I find it amusing when I get called 'understanding'😆...my general reputation is one of "negativity"😆


I was more irritated last week with how blase both Shivaay and Anika were being about Tanya...the equation was undermined more back then...this week has salvaged a bit with more in-character Shivika scenes...and today it was pleasantly surprising to see Anika mention that she's NOT cool with random woman walking around as Shivaay's wife.


I guess my point is that atleast it was raised today...and Daadi didn't exactly tell Anika to take a fake wife in stride, she said there are some things that men will never get no matter how much you explain to them...and I thought that was a valid point...No one was justifying Shivaay's attitude...Daadi was talking about how Anika has to move past it cuz he ain't getting it right now...lol...but he will get it in his own time I feel if the issue is actually being raised...otherwise the writers wouldn't have bothered with this much also.


Change never comes fast or easy...it comes in slow, agonizing increments many times.


LOL dunno if we will see real regret from Shivaay or just a token sorry like he did last week for apologizing about disappearing on Anika for 15 days...itna hi milta hai IB mein...and then we forget everything cuz he gave Anika a sweet KC celebration😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
#17
NM is giving his 2cents too on the crappy TRPs IB is getting along with his encounter of being Reliance ke salesman diaries 😆 😆 😆


Sorry off topic, I haven't watched epi yet for the real 2 cents
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Since I'm anyways in the mood to play Devil's Advocate today, might as well go the whole distance😆

From Shivaay's perspective, here's where the issue stands:


1) He never wanted to involve anyone, least of all Anika in this cuz he likes to handle things by himself.


2) He loves Anika immensely, trusts her immensely, but does NOT trust her to be able to handle a complicated issue like this...LOL


3) Anika generally has a jhalla way of handling things...she goofed up during the Tia and Ragini and Mahi times too even though she came through eventually...so Shivaay judges her based on that...lol the lesser the "variables", the easier it is to handle a gameplan.


4) He thinks Anika knows by now how much he loves her so it shouldn't be an issue at all to her even if he has to walk around with a fake wife😆...it's his brand of cold pragmatism which he expects everyone to get in line with😆


5) Anika has indeed in the past used excuses to cover up her goof-ups😆...so he's again judging her over that and making presumptions...it's not without cause.



So basically it's a personality clash...LOL they both make presumptions about each based on basic personality differences as well as past examples...Fact is, their immense love for each other very much co-exists with the fact that both of them think of themselves as way oversmart😆...Anika is still a kinder person in general but she too subscribes to the "Shivaay sab kuch theek kar denge" notion which only feeds into his ego about fixing everything himself...Anika is part of the group that enables him...so she has to deal with the fallout cuz this guy will continue to struggle with "I alone can do everything, baaki sab side pe khade raho for me to protect you"😆



Btw not to get technical, but notice what his VOW relating to raita phailaaoing ACTUALLY was...that they will work together to sameto raitas that SHE failaaoes😆...he never said anything about his own raitas or those of his family.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Very good analysis AY!
Whatever prompted the writer to include this scene and the underlying frustration that Annika was shown to be vocal about today, I have to thank her for that.

That's what real life is about and you said it right, learning is a lifelong process.
I have to appreciate the writer for this scene and the actors for doing justice to it. Shivika still seemed like a unit to me, even after this fight. I really liked that Shivaay left the room instead of dragging their argument - so much relatable.

Men will be men and women will be women - not in a bad way - but men have certain way to look at any situation and Shivaay was completely in character today the way he reacted and so was Annika, standing up for herself and verbalizing her feelings that she might not have otherwise if Shivaay did not reacted the way he did. I also agree with Dadi. She is right, you can have a wedding but to keep your marriage you have to work towards it all your life and more than likely a woman will end up being the bigger person just because of basic nature of her. Annika is shown to be easily forgiving anyway, so I was not surprised when she said that she won't let these 2Rs. arguments ruin their marriage. I don't consider her behavior as "doormat".

I really enjoyed that scene today and I hope that writers don't make a mockery of this turning into a stupid comedy tomorrow. I would love to see Shivaay realizing how he had hurt Annika and rectify this Tanya mistake.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Liked ur analysis
I get shivay loses his temper but this was his plan then he should have been around to see it through. Im glad anika told him how she felt coz this is what she should have said after she found out he had been faking ml. Shivay unintentionally has put them in this situation and it has to be addressed . I hope the tension stays a bit and not swiped under the rug. Dadis gyan was again so blah. I rather see shivika have a mature convo alone and talk to to each other about what they r feeling. The cvs dealt with this 2 week n return very callously especially with no explaining as to what shivay was doing for 2 weeks and anikas hurt of him missing n returning with a fake new wife.

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