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Posted: 8 years ago
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Excellent post Asya,
The man kept saying, I donot know what you heard, how much you heard, but as usual, u hear something and you misinterpreted it. And you did not give me a chance to explain.. This scene was so beautifully executed. It was so relatable and real.
( side note:this was a reboot of the scene, where during tia marriage track, Annika overhears half of shiom convo and misinterprets his comment , thinks Shivaay feels she is obssessed with him..
that day thier relationship was not such, that she could question him , neither was he in a place that he could chase her down and ask her what was bothering her.. These scenes show us the growth in thier relationship..)

So yes, I do believe, like how OM being illegitimate did not change his equation with OM, knowing the bg of Annika will not change his equation with Annika.

When Shivaay got to know OM is illegitimate, he did investigate to the extend to verify that indeed the news is authentic. Once he was sure its not a false allegation, he dropped the matter. He kept the news hidden from the family, its not important. He knows enough to protect OM, if this matter arises again..

With Annika also he could be doing the same. As you said, how can he protect her from the world, if he himself does not know anything about her. Plus he is like that, he needs to know. That is how he is wired.

All this is is good. He knows he cannot live without her. He knows being an orphan is not annika's fault. He knows he has a world out there whom he has to face one day with the fact that his wife is an orphan becomes public.

He is setting out to find her background to equip himself, to satisfy his curiosity.
I feel He needs to analyze the possible outcomes first ..

1) what is he cannot find any details at all? What is the outcome?
2) what if he finds the worst possibility abt her mother, like pinky hinted today, like annika herself mentioned today, that her mother can never be sure who tbe father is? Then what? What will shivaay do? Knowledge can sometimes break you. In this case shivaay has no ammunition against his mother nor the world.. the gr8 shivaay sigh oberoi wife is a daughter of a "

3) what if Annika is illegitimate? She is indeed A young girls mistake? ..

The percentage of annika having a good parentage , lineage, bloodline, considering she was adopted from an orphanage is very minimal. Still shivaay wants to pursue the investigation.. will he be able to handle the worst outcomes? Will he still feel proud to be Annika's husband? Will he be able to take next step into this marriage? Have chikdren with her? Love her unconditionally?

Finally if he wants a life with Annika, he is not left with many options than to accept her for what she is, change his thots, be bindaas enough to face his mom, and the world, proud enough to stand by her as her husband and mother of his children. Or else let her go..
He himself said it, he has to either loose Annika or his pehachan, his identity that is NK&K.
Its one or the other. Both cannot coexist.

He has taken first step by accepting annika is annika, its not her fault she is an orphan, and she is my wife come what may(?) .. The journey will continue, each step forward, will take him closer to annika, and away from his nk&k. The journey may be painful but they are together and will deal with it.

PS:
I see this fear n shivaay, i feel he fears that his beliefs, his thinking and his obsession over lineage, bloodline and surname, does not cost him his lifeline, his annika. I pray that he will be true to his words, be strong and set everything alright.. "mein sab teek kar doonga.. " and not fall prey to his BELIEFS, end up loosing Annika.. but i think, i has to loose something to know the value. So may be he will indeed loose her to win her back..

PPS..

The stupid sigh oberoi has still not realised he is in love with his wife. The day he realises that none of these will matter to him. NK&K will be the last thing in his mind. Donno if so many NDE, sacrifies, willingness to give up her life, did not bring out The realisation, what will..




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Posted: 8 years ago
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Getting her immediately back with haq doesn't mean he can see her as mom of his kids... He Just needs her... He wants her... He will keep her... With Or without kids in future... Wife She is... She is his companion... His saathi... Soul mate... But not necessarily the mother of his kids... Remember He told her during Kalavati track that I wudnt mind if u can't give me kids...

Yes he is an oberoi n it will take time to get over his NKK... But Him discussing it immediately after he comforted her that she is his wife wasn't what she cud expect... He hadn't expected him to accept her... Though she wanted it... She had always believed for him whatever she does NKK will always be imp... So when suddenly he accepted her... She felt relieved and calm that he is gonna b there... N then his mujhe Meri biwi ka past janana bahut jaroori hai can as a total shocker that he told he tone thing n is doing smthing else...

Yes Kate Middleton and Dutchess mein diff hai... I hv nvr said Annika is doing justice to begin his wife... She isnt... She has always been scared he will leave her and hence has nvr accepted she is Annika Shivaay Singh oberoi... Once She accepts that n yet doesn't be like what an oberoi bahu needs to be then she can b questioned...

Annika has a long way to go to be an oberoi bahu... She has to learn the etiquette of being the elite... She has a lot of learning but that doesn't take away that she still has fear that knowing bout her real bg Shivaay will leave her... Shivaay Not being in her life is her greatest fear... Dying isnt her fear... It's about Shivaay hating her, leaving her thats her greatest fear... The fear that if her past unravels she is the paap ki nishani wud Shivaay accept her like he said now that she is his wife... Those questions are scary to her to even imagine coz Shivaay is her heart.. Her breath... For Shivaay annika is his heart n breath too but his realization that she is those isn't there yet... He even to himself hasn't yet accepted or thought what she really means to him..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ssyed001

As much as i loved the episode today - im kind of scared of what's next.

It seems that everything is moving too fast - like a train wreck. Also scared of Shivaay suddenly changing (hes done it in the past).

Also im in 2 minds about his motives to find out about Annika's past. I dont think hes doing it for annika, hes still doing it for his own satisfaction.


It is Shivvay's journey and we all wanted this fact to be out in the open, so that is what happened.
Some predicted he would leave Annika and that did not happen. Some predicted Annika would leave him - he did not let that happen.
Have a little faith in the guy. He has proven time and again in the past few weeks that he does not take either Annika or his marriage to her lightly and is very very committed to both.

Let the man take his journey and make his decision about NKK and its merit by the end of it. Just remember the fact that he cannot live without Annika.
My fear is more that Annika's background reveals something that puts the Oberoi's in a bad light. At that point if her parents, who have been looking for her all this while, ask her to leave Shivvay if she wants to be with them then i fear what predicament that is going to put Shivvay in.
Does he give her up so that she gets the Family she always craved for or does he hold on to her because he cannot live without her now.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: vivacious_gurl


Getting her immediately back with haq doesn't mean he can see her as mom of his kids... He Just needs her... He wants her... He will keep her... With Or without kids in future... Wife She is... She is his companion... His saathi... Soul mate... But not necessarily the mother of his kids... Remember He told her during Kalavati track that I wudnt mind if u can't give me kids...

Yes he is an oberoi n it will take time to get over his NKK... But Him discussing it immediately after he comforted her that she is his wife wasn't what she cud expect... He hadn't expected him to accept her... Though she wanted it... She had always believed for him whatever she does NKK will always be imp... So when suddenly he accepted her... She felt relieved and calm that he is gonna b there... N then his mujhe Meri biwi ka past janana bahut jaroori hai can as a total shocker that he told he tone thing n is doing smthing else...

Yes Kate Middleton and Dutchess mein diff hai... I hv nvr said Annika is doing justice to begin his wife... She isnt... She has always been scared he will leave her and hence has nvr accepted she is Annika Shivaay Singh oberoi... Once She accepts that n yet doesn't be like what an oberoi bahu needs to be then she can b questioned...

Annika has a long way to go to be an oberoi bahu... She has to learn the etiquette of being the elite... She has a lot of learning but that doesn't take away that she still has fear that knowing bout her real bg Shivaay will leave her... Shivaay Not being in her life is her greatest fear... Dying isnt her fear... It's about Shivaay hating her, leaving her thats her greatest fear... The fear that if her past unravels she is the paap ki nishani wud Shivaay accept her like he said now that she is his wife... Those questions are scary to her to even imagine coz Shivaay is her heart.. Her breath... For Shivaay annika is his heart n breath too but his realization that she is those isn't there yet... He even to himself hasn't yet accepted or thought what she really means to him..
... and that is the journey that has just begun. The 'mother of his kids' will be revisited in a few episodes but that has to be gradually accepted. You cannot expect a change overnight. That is the second huge commitment and the true test of his love for her.
The journey has just begun ... he still has many more miles to go yet.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Pearl like pinky said we know what kind of kids r in ashram... Well if he comes to know she is a paap ki nishani... Young girl's mistake... What is he going to shut ppl's mouth with... Can He stop ppl talking bout Annika... Will He be even able to stop pinky from talking about Annika's ganda khoon... He can silence her but can't change her thinking... He himself has that thinking... So What is he going to do by knowing her bg? I know he is like that... But all I'm saying is he shud hv spoken that to Annika... Opened up about his worries to her... Coz this concerns her... She is core of it all... She is deffo scared he will ho back on his words of her being his wife once he knows everything coz like pinky said n she herself called her paap ki nishani... Knowing Shivaay She has almost no doubt that he can't accept some paap ki nishani as his wife... She will nvr have his respect... She has all her life heard ppl calling her all that n she dint give a hoot to it coz those ppl dint matter to her... But Shivaay's acceptance and then him digging out her past n him losing respect for her will break her... That's her fear... A fear of being accepted and then rejected... When She will be in happy bubble he might know her past and break her bubble leaving her alone
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: vivacious_gurl

Pearl like pinky said we know what kind of kids r in ashram... Well if he comes to know she is a paap ki nishani... Young girl's mistake... What is he going to shut ppl's mouth with... Can He stop ppl talking bout Annika... Will He be even able to stop pinky from talking about Annika's ganda khoon... He can silence her but can't change her thinking... He himself has that thinking... So What is he going to do by knowing her bg? I know he is like that... But all I'm saying is he shud hv spoken that to Annika... Opened up about his worries to her... Coz this concerns her... She is core of it all... She is deffo scared he will ho back on his words of her being his wife once he knows everything coz like pinky said n she herself called her paap ki nishani... Knowing Shivaay She has almost no doubt that he can't accept some paap ki nishani as his wife... She will nvr have his respect... She has all her life heard ppl calling her all that n she dint give a hoot to it coz those ppl dint matter to her... But Shivaay's acceptance and then him digging out her past n him losing respect for her will break her... That's her fear... A fear of being accepted and then rejected... When She will be in happy bubble he might know her past and break her bubble leaving her alone




I am sorry but hello plz do not stereotype kids in orphanages that is very offensive all kids in the ashrams are not najayaz you can never really understand the situation of any parent who is forced to leave his/her child and under what circumstances they did it plz just not say that it kinda certifies pinky ki bakwaas and that is not true.

Besides what is the guarantee ke anika is najayaz? Or Ganda khoon as they like to say it najayaz children are also human it is not their fault that someone decides to bring them in the world how can you hold them responsible for it

Besides shivaay doesn't have to go and announce to the world his findings he can totally keep them to himself no one else asked him to go and search for her past and find answers he is doing it for himself and now he has changed so much and even if he was the same old shivaay he would never use any information like this against anika or any other girl
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree with you asya but not fully because wat u said was wat Shivaay's heart is saying...but his brain is also saying something...Annika and Nkk are the most important things in Shivaay's life...their fight is going on...the fight of heart and mind...if shivaay simply choose Annika over Nkk it wnt be interesting...it should go like this...shivaay wants to know about Annika's past...he is correct there...knowing about wife's background is not a crime...he accepted her as his wife...there is no change in that and he truly accepted her...he wants to know about her to protect her from insults...he knows like his mother so many of them will ask her like this and he will have no answer to it... so he wanted to protect her from all that hurt...
but at the same time his brain says that you are shivaay Singh Oberoi...you should know about your wife's past...her lineage...because she will be the mother of your future kids...the look on his face when pinky said about his kids says Nkk is impressed for him
he now only sees Annika as his wife not as his child's mother...he wants to know about her lineage before taking their relationship to the next level...
when Annika heard him saying Nkk is important to him and he had to know about her background...wat did she do?? she was broken...things wat will happen if she comes to know that he said that I can't imagine her as my child's mother...I am really scared of it..she will react so badly...it will clearly gives her a view that their relationship is meaningless...now this track is going calmly but it is the beginning only...a storm is forming somewhere...it will hit badly...but i know shivaay will pass it with flying colours...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli




I am sorry but hello plz do not stereotype kids in orphanages that is very offensive all kids in the ashrams are not najayaz you can never really understand the situation of any parent who is forced to leave his/her child and under what circumstances they did it plz just not say that it kinda certifies pinky ki bakwaas and that is not true.

Besides what is the guarantee ke anika is najayaz? Or Ganda khoon as they like to say it najayaz children are also human it is not their fault that someone decides to bring them in the world how can you hold them responsible for it

Besides shivaay doesn't have to go and announce to the world his findings he can totally keep them to himself no one else asked him to go and search for her past and find answers he is doing it for himself and now he has changed so much and even if he was the same old shivaay he would never use any information like this against anika or any other girl


Fary I dint say that... I said pinky said that... U hv read only one of my posts... My posts here r in continuation days of past 5 posts written her to pearl... U hvnt even read a single post I made at ur thread so please don't jump to conclusion on what I said n why I said... Yes i Love Annika and will defend her to my death... I Like Shivaay but he is way too flawed n fails to see the good in the people coz he measures ppl by their NKK... That's Is how he is... N That's not his fault... He has been brought up that way by his mother...

Im not as shallow to think that only children out of wedlock r in ashram... N Even children out of wedlock rnt at fault... They r childr n n beautiful... Period


There is ko second thot bout it all r me... I for one hv wanted and will adopt a baby to be mine forever... If I'm able to convince my whole family about it... Coz I don't want to accept a baby... Love the child and see others insulting the baby... The child doesn't deserve that... So Please don't jump to conclusions about what ppl. Write.. Read it in whole context...

N t o all those u think Annika over reacted... No She dint... Shivaay Still is the Shivaay for whom NKK matters the most... Not in Annika's regard but in all other regards that's most imp
.. Annika n his NKK hv equal. Bearing on his life... So After being told she is accepted as it is... And then hearing him says his wife's bg is very imp to him... Iike A slap... I accept u but I want to know everything bout u... Giving doubt that if something bad comes out of it... Lo behold There is a hanging sword... I may go back in my words...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: asya34


It is Shivvay's journey and we all wanted this fact to be out in the open, so that is what happened.
Some predicted he would leave Annika and that did not happen. Some predicted Annika would leave him - he did not let that happen.
Have a little faith in the guy. He has proven time and again in the past few weeks that he does not take either Annika or his marriage to her lightly and is very very committed to both.

Let the man take his journey and make his decision about NKK and its merit by the end of it. Just remember the fact that he cannot live without Annika.
My fear is more that Annika's background reveals something that puts the Oberoi's in a bad light. At that point if her parents, who have been looking for her all this while, ask her to leave Shivvay if she wants to be with them then i fear what predicament that is going to put Shivvay in.
Does he give her up so that she gets the Family she always craved for or does he hold on to her because he cannot live without her now.


Wow.. I'm really waiting for an upcoming track! Now it's Anika's turn!

Why do I feel like there will be some mu betn shivika coz of nkk? Coz now shivaay will try to find about Anika's past without informing Anika & Anika may take it the wrong way!

I don't think ani will ever leave shivaay except for mu!

@Pearl, @Gouri, @TD - Guys, Really like your view!👏

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: asya34

(Controversial topic I know but this is just my P.O.V. No bashing pls 😉)

Another notch on Shivvay's belt as a supportive and good husband today for just being who he is. The man seems to be unstoppable nowadays and hell bent on wining the "Husband of The Year" award as well.

Lets start with the mature and understanding husband who really and truly knows his wife inside and out.

- "Shivvay Mein Bahut Daar Gayee Thi ... Mujhe Laga Key..."

"Mein Chala Gaya"

The statement was completed in the most understanding and consoling tone ever. He already knew her fears and did not even listen to her message that she had just left on the phone to react and then return. He was there even before she had completed her message and sent it to him.

Shivvay is so tuned into Annika's fears and insecurities that his face mirrored her look of pain when he spoke with her. When she ran to him all he did was absorb her into him while she clutched him tightly as if fearful that he would leave her even now. Him just standing there while she plowed into him was him letting her find solace in him while he let her find it in him.

His embrace was protective, reassuring and strong - making sure to dispel those unwanted fears and calm her tensed body. What followed was Shivvay being Shivvay. He was the protective, supportive and proud husband who was surprised that his wife had to ask that question of him again. The pain that he wore in in eyes and on his face was because of how vulnerable and fragile she was mentally and emotionally to doubt that something like this would make him abandon her.

Now for the crucial statement that made his wife walk out on him. Was it misconstrued by her because she was in so much pain that all she could work on was her absolute and sure knowledge that he would choose his NKK over her??!!

Yes!! It was. It so completely and definitely was.

Think back to what Annika would always say would happen if Shivvay found out the truth about her background time and again with conviction and guarantee. She always said that the day he found out about it would be the last day of their relationship and all it stood for.

Never once did she doubt, falter or second guess that there could be another outcome. She was so completely prepared for the outcome of their relationship ending in her mind that it gave her no other option but to psych herself to believe that it is exactly what he meant when he was talking to his brothers in the kitchen.

What did Shivvay say in the kitchen?

He starts out with "Is mein Annika ki koi galti nahi hai" - His wife is completely blameless in what happened today and also for what happened to her years ago. How can she or could she have control over the fact that she is an orphan!

"Mein jaana chahata hun jisse meri shaadi hui hai who kahan se hai, kaun hai, kya hai... "

"Mere liye mere biwi ka background janna zaruri hai... bahut zaruri hai"

Is it important for him to know her background in order to accept her - no!!! it is not because he already has accepted her. So why is it important??

(Again just my viewpoint and some may disagree - I understand that)

It is important because then I can stop the world and especially my mother from spewing poison and hurting her beyond tears. I can stop her and the world from saying vile things about my wife. I can actually protect her if I know the facts because then I would have something concrete to fight with, like he was a simple middle class man who made and sold soaps but was hardworking and industrious. Something like that gives me facts and knowledge that I can use as weapons to fight on her behalf and make a strong case to put forward.

How can a man who has dealt with logic and facts all his life to make his point always, use absolutely nothing now to stand up against the world and fight for his cause.

There is nothing wrong with Shivvay wanting to know about his wife and where she comes from. It was not that he chose NKK over her but rather he chose her over his NKK.

He has already accepted an orphan as his wife and that was proven by the fact that he went to get her back home. What he needs now is resources and tool to be able to give that same wife the respect, honor and rightful place as an Oberoi Bahu. I do not see any malice in that action taken.

He truly is her Shivvay.


Awesome post and valid points . I was thinking the same wen i saw annika reacting the way she did . It is all Too overwhelming for her. Shivaay 's decision to stick with her despite of everything is too much to handle . For now she has lost her power and control over her feelings , because shivaay has taken her by suprise . She is dazed and confused .
Now coming to shivaay and his thoughts . We dont exactly know what went inside his brain when he got up from the puja and secluded himself ! Was he thinking about his nkk and annika 's lack of it ? Or was it that how he is gonna face her and tell her her that he is with her after all that he did to her . Was it his guilt or his arrogance that delayed him to go to his annika .

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