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FoundLife

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Posted: 8 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Will not discuss about the rest of the points but since day 1 they have shown that Anika could only cook aalo poori and kale chane
To run a catering business you don't need to know how to cook everything. You just need to know the names of the items and the address of a cook who could prepare those

She had prepared the cake after watching through the internet (which I found illogical as a girl who doesn't know how to cook prepares such delicious item by reading through the internet)

But every time else she only cooked these two items and brought the other stuffs from outside.
Even at Shivaaaye's friend,'s party she had got the other items from outside n was just cooking aaloo poori n kale chane there but she burnt the pasta while trying lukewarm it n couldn't prepare anything else

I remember once even Shivaaaye had told kaisee catering waali hai ye Jo bas aaloo poori air kaale chane banana jaanti hai

I love you for this...see this is what that happened. Even I make cakes, sweets, pasta dishes & all...but if you tell to make dinner...idk, similar with Ani!!
I think the beauty of Shivika relationship lies in the mutual understanding, the needn't say everything, the other person gets it anyway.

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FlauntPesimism

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Posted: 8 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: MariaRebecca

I love you for this...see this is what that happened. Even I make cakes, sweets, pasta dishes & all...but if you tell to make dinner...idk, similar with Ani!!
I think the beauty of Shivika relationship lies in the mutual understanding, the needn't say everything, the other person gets it anyway.

I never felt that Shivika needn't say things to each other n they understand

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Mandy

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Posted: 8 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: SHVIKA_lover
Just switch off the TV.If you don't like stop complaining.
Indian shows are like this stop searching logic plsss.

We are loving Ishqbaaz whatever they are showing still we love the serial.

I have heard the saying if you "expect nothing" then you "get nothing". If the audience have such low standards and expecations, then I guess they will always be satisfied with whatever is dished out? So Indian TV is bascially without logic and random nonsense? People dont have the right to expect to see ANY sense in it?

I agree most shows have illogical sequences. But if the audience continues to accept any crap they show and say "Indian TV shows are illogical", then I guess no one will ever make shows that make sense? Why it is that in the West shows are logical and have a proper story? Even if it's fantasy it is well researched and well presented? It's because the people watching the shows expect Quality. They will not accept any crap in the name of entertainment. So those people get good content and good products.

But I guess if the Indian show watching audience is happy to accept any illogical and meaningless things, then that is what they will get. You get what you ask for and expect. I guess changing the channel will solve everything? Also, I beg to differ, some Indian shows are actually trying to make good content? Yes they dont get as high ratings, but I have seen some good shows in the past 2 years, and those have not run for years, but made sense. I have only watched Indian shows for 5 years, but I have seen a few shows now.

@TM: Your right to say that a lot of the sequences, especially RoTiLana are totally illogical. It's something they came up with last week and dont tie in with the story they were doing so far. What sort of Mother will get her daughter to have an affair with an older married man to get revenge on his family? I guess a woman like Mrs Kapoor? She clearly has no standards. She gets her married daughter to pose as someone else's wife? The Kapoors have no class. So much for Naam Khoon and Khandan. I guess those 3 things dont always determine a person's classiness.

@Flauntpessimsm: I think Shivaay just doesnt like lower middle class people. Upper middle class

people he is OK with. Also Soumya and Rhidimma both have a "Name". So I guess they have Naam, and they know what boodline and Khandan they come from? Unlike Annika. I do agree that Annika didnt seem like a great cook, but an adequate one. Personally though I think this "Rasoi" mistake thing is such a cliche and would have been better if they avoided doing it here. They did the same with Khushi in IPK, and again it rang a bit hollow coz she was very good at making sweets and seemed like an OK cook in general. I think Annika is maybe a worse cook than her. But this burnt food scenario is so old and overused.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago

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Krantikari

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Posted: 8 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Shivaaaye's obsession for naam khaandaan is not consistent. It is only for Anika
He never used similar words for Saumya although she was a middle class girl whose mom was a nurse (at the hospital)

He didn't have issues with Riddhima n always pushed Om towards her and Riddhima too is a upper middle class girl

That's because Shivaay doesn't like to shove down his principles down others throats unlike a certain other character on the show. 😛 His NKK is reserved only for Annika because he doesn't have a tie or relationship with Saumya, Riddhima or others. So he literally doesn't care enough to judge them with his NKK. Why should he? They don't have an impact on him and his life. He believes in live and let live (unless family related issue comes in between). LOL, and when did he 'push' Riddhima towards Om? 😆 Trying to reconcile suicide prone bro with his girlfriend is called 'pushing' now, wow.

Shivaay is the most consistent character on the show and we all know who the least consistent one is. 😳

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Mandy

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: YoonHiChala

That's because Shivaay doesn't like to shove down his principles down others throats unlike a certain other character on the show. 😛 His NKK is reserved only for Annika because he doesn't have a tie or relationship with Saumya, Riddhima or others. So he literally doesn't care enough to judge them with his NKK. Why should he? They don't have an impact on him and his life. He believes in live and let live (unless family related issue comes in between). LOL, and when did he 'push' Riddhima towards Om? 😆 Trying to reconcile suicide prone bro with his girlfriend is called 'pushing' now, wow.

Shivaay is the most consistent character on the show and we all know who the least consistent one is. 😳

To Shivaay NKK is very important. So much so, he was only willing to do a 1 day marriage deal also with people with NKK. But as per him because Annika made Richa "run", she had to step in, even though she had no NKK.

Ridhimma and Soumya? They are not lower middle class. They are upper middle class and from educated backgrounds. Soumya's grandmother is a close friend of Shivaay's grandmother. So why would he judge Soumya? He does have a connection with Soumya and Rhidimma. Soumya is a guest in their home and a daughter of Dadi's friend, and Ridhimma was Om's GF.

As for "pushing" Ridhimma to Om. I dont think he pushed, but he used to ask Om why he wont commit to her, when they seem to have a good connection. Least consitent character? I guess you mean Om? He is consistent in his beliefs. But I guess like a lot of people can "change" his behavior when family is involved. Shivaay can act like a criminal and force someone to marry him. (recently caught the forced marriage episodes and they were so appalling. The way Annika was made into a sitting duck and how awfully he treated her after the wedding? Pretty disgusting stuff).

I guess for his sister Om will cover her crime? So I guess no one is perfect? Shivaay's character may be "conistent" but not necessarily logical. They have NEVER explained why he is the way he is? Like why is he such a jerk to people who dont have NKK? I dont think they ever bothered explanining it? So consistency can only really be appreciated if it makes sense. Here is does not.

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Mandy

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Posted: 8 years ago

#16

@YooHiChala:

Shivaay has principles? Is that why he pretty much abused a woman with no family into marrying him to save his family honor and then left her to be insulted by everyone? Is that why he introduced a woman he didnt marry as his wife to the world? All this to save his family embaressement and to make sure that their business didnt suffer a loss?

I guess Om is the one who's wrong for asking him why he did this, and Shivaay's response was that he didnt do anything wrong? I have heard the justifications for his actions. He thought Annika was characterless because of Daksh so he was justified in abusing her I guess?

Shivaay may not "shove his principles" down others throats. But one cannot impose on someone something one does not have! Be it principles or anything else.

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Krantikari

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Posted: 8 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
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To Shivaay NKK is very important. So much so, he was only willing to do a 1 day marriage deal also with people with NKK. But as per him because Annika made Richa "run", she had to step in, even though she had no NKK.

Ridhimma and Soumya? They are not lower middle class. They are upper middle class and from educated backgrounds. Soumya's grandmother is a close friend of Shivaay's grandmother. So why would he judge Soumya? He does have a connection with Soumya and Rhidimma. Soumya is a guest in their home and a daughter of Dadi's friend, and Ridhimma was Om's GF.

As for "pushing" Ridhimma to Om. I dont think he pushed, but he used to ask Om why he wont commit to her, when they seem to have a good connection. Least consitent character? I guess you mean Om? He is consistent in his beliefs. But I guess like a lot of people can "change" his behavior when family is involved. Shivaay can act like a criminal and force someone to marry him. (recently caught the forced marriage episodes and they were so appalling. The way Annika was made into a sitting duck and how awfully he treated her after the wedding? Pretty disgusting stuff).

I guess for his sister Om will cover her crime? So I guess no one is perfect? Shivaay's character may be "conistent" but not necessarily logical. They have NEVER explained why he is the way he is? Like why is he such a jerk to people who dont have NKK? I dont think they ever bothered explanining it? So consistency can only really be appreciated if it makes sense. Here is does not.

I'm not really appreciating anything here, just stating the facts. Whether or his consistency makes sense depends upon perception. What I meant by connection was a specific connection to HIM, not a connection through another person like his Dadi or bro. I've observed this about Shivaay from before, he doesn't even judge his family members for not subscribing to his NKK beliefs because he probably understands that other people can have different beliefs too. He only told off Prinku for bringing in Annika to Oberoi mansion the first time cuz again, Annika directly impacts him and he did not like her being insulted by Pinky. He obviously doesn't approve of his uncle Tej's cheating but he doesn't call him out on it on his face directly cuz again, he believes in live and let live. You don't need to give lectures all the time to every random person to demonstrate your principles. Wait, maybe one character does. 😆

Changing for family is fine, but when a person who says that 'when it comes between choosing truth and family, I'll choose truth and does complete opposite (hiding truth is akin to lying btw), it is termed inconsistent. 😆 That too after giving a million bhashans about truth. 😆 Shivaay has never claimed to be a saint like that so i guess him not behaving like one can't really be termed inconsistent behaviour. Being inconsistent is when you say something but don't live up to your words (or worse, directly contradict your words through your actions). Till date, Shivaay hasn't done anything of that sort.

And like I said before, bad people don't need sob stories to explain their questionable moral compass. Just like good people don't need a backstory to explain their high moral compass. Circumstances could or could not impact people in a positive or negative way. It doesn't need to be an either or situation. Some people face the worst (orphan childhood, forced marriage & extortion) and still come out as exemplary people instead of turning grey (Annika) and others have it all (loving family & doting bros) and they still end up being grey.

Edited by YoonHiChala - 8 years ago

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Krantikari

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Posted: 8 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

@YooHiChala:

Shivaay has principles?Is that why he pretty much abused a woman with no family into marrying him to save his family honor and then left her to be insulted by everyone? Is that why he introduced a woman he didnt marry as his wife to the world? All this to save his family embaressement and to make sure that their business didnt suffer a loss?

I guess Om is the one who's wrong for asking him why he did this, and Shivaay's response was that he didnt do anything wrong? I have heard the justifications for his actions. He thought Annika was characterless because of Daksh so he was justified in abusing her I guess?

Shivaay may not "shove his principles" down others throats. But one cannot impose on someone something one does not have! Be it principles or anything else.

His NKK are his principles. You considering those as 'principles' or not is irrelevant because the context you are using that word entirely changes its meaning. The 'principles' I'm talking about are his system of beliefs. Good beliefs or bad, they are still his beliefs.

Om is not wrong, but again terribly inconsistent as always. 😆 Always acting like a Supreme Court judge and passing judgments about other people but fails to do it for himself. 😛 A bit of introspection is needed to make him realise what a contradicting buffoon he really is. 🤣

Edited by YoonHiChala - 8 years ago

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Mandy

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: YoonHiChala

His NKK are his principles. You considering those as 'principles' or not is irrelevant because the context you are using that word entirely changes its meaning. The 'principles' I'm talking about are his system of beliefs. Good beliefs or bad, they are still his beliefs.

Om is not wrong, but again terribly inconsistent as always. 😆 Always acting like a Supreme Court judge and passing judgments about other people but fails to do it for himself. 😛 A bit of introspection is needed to make him realise what a contradicting buffoon he really is. 🤣

You and I BOTH know that the Hit and Run case was an afterthought by talentless Gul to give Om a story about drugs. But I have seen MANY Om haters use that as an excuse to bash him. He said that line about "choosing truth over family" because at the time there was NO such case. But later Gul introduced it so that she can get a chance to ruin Om's character and make him look like a hypocrite. Because she could not stand that anyone other than her angry character who likes to abuse poor women with no NKK get ANY appreciation.

No matter if you call Shivaay's ghatia beliefs as "Principles", those are just his beliefs. Putting laughing emoticons to say things that are insulting does not make them less so. You call Om a "Buffoon". I call Shivaay an arrogant pompous criminal who did not have ONE miniute of hesitation in ruining someone's life. Not only that, after having done such a despicable act, he had NO qualms about continuing to let her be insulted by the world and even his family.

No matter how "Non judgemental" he is of his family members, he has NO issues in judging other people who are not family. Namely Annika. WHY did he not use his altruistic attitude towards HER when he found out about her and Daksh? Is that not "Inconsistency?" Why one rule for one set of people, and other rules for other people?

Omkara has always been someone with black and white views, and he has a set way of thinking. He judges HIMSELF for hiding the truth of his sister. The guilt he feels was not letting him live. So in that sense he is consistent. If he was NOT consistent, he would feel no guilt.

They suddenly show "Ruthless Shivaay" who is so consistent that he doesnt need a "Reason" to be a jerk but just IS, feel "Bad" for crippled Sahil? WHY? That's not consistent with his character? He is not a good person, he doesnt need a reason to be bad. Isn't that what you said? So why did he feel bad for Sahil and then suddenly decide to help him? Sold Annika's house and made her homeless so her crippled brother will have a reason to stay in their house? Itana Dariya Dil? Wo bhi koi NKK less cripple ke liye? What sort of consistency is that?

A person is "Good" for a reason and a person is also "Bad" for a reason. It is either their upbringing or their character. But it comes from somewhere. You dont become a man like Shivaay for NO reason, and the makers have not done a good job explanining why he is the way he is. Where he got his beliefs? (Because his other family members dont share them). They have failed in that. But people who want to just justify him will continue to do so.

We can argue all day and all night. You justify Shivaay's criminal acts and I will say Om has his reasons for being the way he is. Lets both agree to disagree.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago

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Mandy

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Adding to above post, even Annika's character has not been that consistent. She was shown as someone who will not stand her insult. But from the first day of the forced marriage she tolerated only insults, from Shivaay, his Mother and Tia.

She acted mostly like a doormat and just kept looking at Shivaay as if she expected something from him, after the way he had treated her. Some of those scenes were so hard to watch because that old Annika was missing. She showed spunk here and there, but mostly acted like she "wanted" to be Mrs SSO, when the job was forced upon her. This coming from a girl who said "I am only Annika, and I dont need a surname to matter". Nayi Soch gaya Tel Lene I guess?

The only character to date who has been "Most consistent" is Rudra. Not Shivaay, Om or Annika.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago