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Posted: 7 years ago
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I will come straight to the point.
There was NO USE of the arm grab on Kabeer's part, i wonder why would the director include it? Adnan was perfectly capable of conveying Kabeer's rage without that physical gesture, and the dialogues were powerful enough even if they would have been spoken by a distance. What was the need? a dire need to follow a regular formula? Ishq SubhanALLAH team you ppl are better than this .. u dont need all this regular conventional stuff.

Having said that, they do deserve a leverage for showing it AS IT WAS, MANHANDLING, not a soft bg tune playing and not a romantic thing or followed by an eye lock or something. It was his extreme anger and something the audience should feel cringe at.

Next, Zara's apology, so Zeenat was the one telling the narrative of the incident, the chances are absolutely nill that they would show Kabeer at fault bcz then maybe he would be held guilty and might be pushed for an apology, in all cases the evil sisters will put Zara in bad light, so i am pretty sure the manhandling part hasnt been narrated. So Ayeshas pursuance to Zara for a manofy project is understandable and genuine.

Coming to Zara, I can see that we all know that Zara is not liable to change Kabeer's thinking, enough of bad boys turning good by thier wives but none of us are realzing that who gave Zara a right to interfere and jugdge Kabeer's thinking? Who gave her this right? yes on a general perspectibe he is wrong but has kabeer ever said he will change Zara's thinking? I have never seen Kabeer interfere in Zara's thinking, he might oppose it, but has never humilated her infront of anyone with outrightly opposing her.

How are none of us discussing the kind of maturity Zara needs to be taught? Its easy to direct all the anger at Kabeer ask Zara to leave him alone but again, WHO GAVE HER KABEER'S RESPONSIBILITY? NO ONE. Her sudharofying Kabeer is not what this marriage needs. Kabeer is practical enough to keep professional ways apart .. its Zara who is hell bent on a mutual professional outlook, which is creating all these problems.

Kabeer abused Zara phyically, and Zara is abusing him emotionally. You do not get to push someone on his worse and then complain that someone behaved the worst with you - you pushed it, when there was no need.

If getting physical is a complete no, then intefering in someone's personal matter is also a complete no. i m not defeding any abuse, just putting both of them on the same table.

Zara is the one who went out of her way with that maulvi, with the meeting and then she went out of her way to aplogize, thats her nature .. going an extra mile when its not needed.

Doesnt Kabeer deserve a better life partner who wont humilate him in front of everyone? Who after being told repeatedly would actually pay heed to what he says. Why does only Zara needs an understanding husband?

If Zara has a right to walk away after an incident of manhandling, why is no one giving Kabeer a right to walk away after the stubbornness and extreme sense of self righteousness Zara is showing? All abuse is not physical.

Why is no one saying that what Zara is doing is called interference and over stepping, if we call manhandling as manhandling, why cant we call interference as interference and NOT help !
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Posted: 7 years ago
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It's not about abuse here it's about how they approach marriage differently
Zara is not trying to change him she's being herself for her marriage means sharing .she is doing that .the way she is doing it is I'm mature
For him marriage is husband takes care and wife follows .when. She is not doing that he is enraged

Imo if it has to work both have to change not just him or her

Sorry but I don't agree she is abusing him .. her intentions are to help not.to abuse
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: spshastr

It's not about abuse here it's about how they approach marriage differently

Zara is not trying to change him she's being herself for her marriage means sharing .she is doing that .the way she is doing it is I'm mature
For him marriage is husband takes care and wife follows .when. She is not doing that he is enraged

Imo if it has to work both have to change not just him or her

Sorry but I don't agree she is abusing him .. her intentions are to help not.to abuse


Thats a good perspectibe that they both are handling the marriage as they are taught too, or as they believe. for kabeer marriage is more like duty while for Zara is companionship .. but the faullt lies on BOTH of them .. i am just pointing out that i have seen no one repremanding Zara for the damage she has brought to this marriage? .. Isnt that unfair?

and as for emotional abuse /.. yes she is helping Kabeer, but who asked her help? Did Kabeer? NO!

Why is no one saying that what she is doing is called interference and over stepping, if we call manhandling as manhandling, why cant we call interference as interference and NOT help !
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.

I will come straight to the point.

There was NO USE of the arm grab on Kabeer's part, i wonder why would the director include it? Adnan was perfectly capable of conveying Kabeer's rage without that physical gesture, and the dialogues were powerful enough even if they would have been spoken by a distance. What was the need? a dire need to follow a regular formula? Ishq SubhanALLAH team you ppl are better than this .. u dont need all this regular conventional stuff.

Having said that, they do deserve a leverage for showing it AS IT WAS, MANHANDLING, not a soft bg tune playing and not a romantic thing or followed by an eye lock or something. It was his extreme anger and something the audience should feel cringe at.

Next, Zara's apology, so Zeenat was the one telling the narrative of the incident, the chances are absolutely nill that they would show Kabeer at fault bcz then maybe he would be held guilty and might be pushed for an apology, in all cases the evil sisters will put Zara in bad light, so i am pretty sure the manhandling part hasnt been narrated. So Ayeshas pursuance to Zara for a manofy project is understandable and genuine.

Coming to Zara, I can see that we all know that Zara is not liable to change Kabeer's thinking, enough of bad boys turning good by thier wives but none of us are realzing that who gave Zara a right to interfere and jugdge Kabeer's thinking? Who gave her this right? yes on a general perspectibe he is wrong but has kabeer ever said he will change Zara's thinking? I have never seen Kabeer interfere in Zara's thinking, he might oppose it, but has never humilated her infront of anyone with outrightly opposing her.

How are none of us discussing the kind of maturity Zara needs to be taught? Its easy to direct all the anger at Kabeer ask Zara to leave him alone but again, WHO GAVE HER KABEER'S RESPONSIBILITY? NO ONE. Her sudharofying Kabeer is not what this marriage needs. Kabeer is practical enough to keep professional ways apart .. its Zara who is hell bent on a mutual professional outlook, which is creating all these problems.

Kabeer abused Zara phyically, and Zara is abusing him emotionally. You do not get to push someone on his worse and then complain that someone behaved the worst with you - you pushed it, when there was no need.

If getting physical is a complete no, then intefering in someone's personal matter is also a complete no. i m not defeding any abuse, just putting both of them on the same table.

Zara is the one who went out of her way with that maulvi, with the meeting and then she went out of her way to aplogize, thats her nature .. going an extra mile when its not needed.

Doesnt Kabeer deserve a better life partner who wont humilate him in front of everyone? Who after being told repeatedly would actually pay heed to what he says. Why does only Zara needs an understanding husband?

If Zara has a right to walk away after an incident of manhandling, why is no one giving Kabeer a right to walk away after the stubbornness and extreme sense of self righteousness Zara is showing? All abuse is not physical.

Why is no one saying that what Zara is doing is called interference and over stepping, if we call manhandling as manhandling, why cant we call interference as interference and NOT help !


Superb Fantasia - exactly my sentiments too. Both Zara and Kabeer are flawed characters. Adnan and Eisha really made me hate both of them today and I really wanted to see Aisha Shahbaz and Kari-Salma influence here. Also hoped to have Reema-Imran too. Cvs and director please don't make Adnan yell and physically abuse.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.


Thats a good perspectibe that they both are handling the marriage as they are taught too, or as they believe. for kabeer marriage is more like duty while for Zara is companionship .. but the faullt lies on BOTH of them .. i am just pointing out that i have seen no one repremanding Zara for the damage she has brought to this marriage? .. Isnt that unfair?

and as for emotional abuse /.. yes she is helping Kabeer, but who asked her help? Did Kabeer? NO!

Why is no one saying that what she is doing is called interference and over stepping, if we call manhandling as manhandling, why cant we call interference as interference and NOT help !


Intent matters he did out of anger and she did out of need to help
She has accepted his anger and is seeing the good in him
Kabeer should accept her naivety as naivety and not saazish.

Both should communicare and the problem will be solved.
Problem.is zaara is not communicating with him maybe bexause she fears he will stop her.


On a side note if all this does not happen how will they get trps?miraj has to come.na


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Originally posted by: sun2011


Superb Fantasia - exactly my sentiments too. Both Zara and Kabeer are flawed characters. Adnan and Eisha really made me hate both of them today and I really wanted to see Aisha Shahbaz and Kari-Salma influence here. Also hoped to have Reema-Imran too. Cvs and director please don't make Adnan yell and physically abuse.


Ditto, you need to hate both of them and realize how both are doing equal damage to the marriage.

and yes CVs there is no need for OTT yelling and physical abuse, wwe can understand his anger without all that too, it just brings flak for the serial.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice points...I agree with the part that Zara really went ahead with her wordings on Maulavi...even if Kabeer warned her to leave ...but stubborn girl ...suna k hi gyi & boom!That made Kabeer angry more...then we know in anger kuch bhi ho skta hai !

But may be that was the way writer wanted for next twists..so all those lines are given to Zara ...to later manofy her hubby!

Our problem Kabeer is really in angry young man look after coming from Kashmir..that's it!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: spshastr


Intent matters he did out of anger and she did out of need to help
She has accepted his anger and is seeing the good in him
Kabeer should accept her naivety as naivety and not saazish.

Both should communicare and the problem will be solved.
Problem.is zaara is not communicating with him maybe bexause she fears he will stop her.


On a side note if all this does not happen how will they get trps?miraj has to come.na



Yeah Zara realized what happened was in a fit of anger and thus Kabeer now needs to realize that her mistakes are her innocence and nothing else .. only if Zara stops for a while with her planning and gives him a chance .. 😆

and i am looking forward for Miraj, i am sick of ruksaar .. maybe that new villian will be good !
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.


Yeah Zara realized what happened was in a fit of anger and thus Kabeer now needs to realize that her mistakes are her innocence and nothing else .. only if Zara stops for a while with her planning and gives him a chance .. 😆

and i am looking forward for Miraj, i am sick of ruksaar .. maybe that new villian will be good !


She will stop post todays fight I think. Zara is too naive for the likes of Shahzy and Ruks .. Unless kabeer is with her she cant handle them I feel
Zara wont stop she is totally in love and is also scared of losing him to ruksar.Kabeer is not even aware of that angle so we must cut zaara some slack as well
Plus she feels she has spoilt the deal.
Plus yaar i think nazariya is correct but time and place are important as well
On a side note if zara is willing to forgive kabeer and apologise who are we .Lets face it its a show not real life.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Bang on post! You are so right in many ways

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