Ques on MahaBhrarta. Peep in/ DT Nt pg 25 - Page 19

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


I don't think society would have judged them, because none of the other wives of Pandavas went on exile with them. Only Draupadi did, and a part of her decision, I believe was to ensure the Pandavas never forgot the humiliation she went through, and also because she was irrevocably woven into their respective duties during the exile. Neither did Urmila follow Lakshman into exile, and the world does not judge her. In fact, the world recognizes the great sacrifice she made in staying back.

I think many of the characters were gray to start off with, but by the end of the epic, many did become black, or at least completely negative. I define gray-shaded people as those who make common human mistakes, but not anything that severely hurts another person. I believe we are all gray-shaded, as it's extremely rare and difficult to find truly pure/white-shaded people in this society. Black-shaded/negative people are those who commit crimes that hurt others. I think people use the term 'gray shaded' too commonly even for negative characters. Mistakes are not the same as crimes. Every human being makes mistakes, but not every human being commits a morally reprehensible crime. Sexual assault, murder, torture...these are not mistakes but crimes, and thus anyone who engages in such acts are black-shaded people, no matter their "justification". They are way beyond gray. Thus, I define the Kauravas as black-shaded/negative people by the end of the epic. They were way beyond redemption.


So everyone is black, because they all killed(murder)
But I get what you mean overall.


Ohh yes, Subhadra stayed back right? I think both going and staying are sacrifices.
I am not so familiar with Ramayana (yet) so i will not comment on that
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Y12345


So everyone is black, because they all killed(murder)
But I get what you mean overall.


Ohh yes, Subhadra stayed back right? I think both going and staying are sacrifices.
I am not so familiar with Ramayana (yet) so i will not comment on that


I wouldn't group war with murder. I know it's still killing, but I feel war is a different context. Even today, soldiers are not called murderers. By crime, I mean an action done by someone with the intention of hurting/causing pain to somebody. For example, Draupadi's vastra haran is a prime example of sexual assault, the kidnapping of the Kashi princesses (while it was accepted in those times, the injustice done to Amba was not morally correct, hence why Lord Shiva himself gave her the boon of killing Bhishma), the poisoning and attempted murder of Bhima as a child, the attempted murder of the Pandavas in Varnavat, the attempted murder of Uttara's unborn fetus, the murders of the Upa-Pandavas in their sleep, and there are many other examples.

Intention behind the actions matters, and also the person's ability for feel remorse for their actions.

Yes, Subhadra stayed back, along with all the other individual wives of the Pandavas. I don't know their names, but Mahabharata explains how they all went to their maternal home to wait for their husbands to return.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Yenna if you are treating God as your friend open up to him the same way you talk to your best friend. That itself is surrender.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Shruti Ravi
This is Lakshmi . We met in Kuch Rang Forum. Saw your name and can't control myself from saying Hi...and your views..awesome as usual.

After a long time..nice to meet you here


I think the last time We met was when you commented on my article on Feminism. Remember?



Best wishes

Lakshmi..
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Posted: 7 years ago
Lakshmi nice to see you. In addition to Kuch Rang ke we did had a discussion on the sakha bhav between Arjun and Krishna. I guess it was when you made a post in the MB forum itself on friendship day.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Lakshmi nice to see you. In addition to Kuch Rang ke we did had a discussion on the sakha bhav between Arjun and Krishna. I guess it was when you made a post in the MB forum itself on friendship day.

Yes Sruti I forgot. Right now busy on Quora answering questions on Mahabharat and mythology. How about you?

Lakshmi
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Yes Sruti I forgot. Right now busy on Quora answering questions on Mahabharat and mythology. How about you?

Lakshmi


Lakshmi do post your queries here too we will try our best to answer them
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Y12345


Lakshmi do post your queries here too we will try our best to answer them

I am not questioning on Quora. I am answering questions. My answers got referred to Quora digest where selective answers will be sent to people on digest through Email. And I would like to introduce myself friend.
I am a post graduate in Sanskrit and English.
I did PHD and was awarded doctorate for my thesis on Arjun...
I am delighted to admit I read most of the versions of Mahabharat in Sanskrit ..source language definitely helps in studying the epic.

I appreciate you all for your knowledge and enthusiasm that made you a part of the discussion group.

Thank you very much for inviting me here to ask questions.

I am sure I may come depending upon my time and convenience,



Lakshmi
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

I am not questioning on Quora. I am answering questions. My answers got referred to Quora digest where selective answers will be sent to people on digest through Email. And I would like to introduce myself friend.
I am a post graduate in Sanskrit and English.
I did PHD and was awarded doctorate for my thesis on Arjun...
I am delighted to admit I read most of the versions of Mahabharat in Sanskrit ..source language definitely helps in studying the epic.

I appreciate you all for your knowledge and enthusiasm that made you a part of the discussion group.

Thank you very much for inviting me here to ask questions.

I am sure I may come depending upon my time and convenience,



Lakshmi


Wow, thesis on Arjun, that's awesome. Did you do like a characterization on him?
Please do share your knowledge and years of study with us, anytime. And Sanskrit thats wonderful. I feel it's one of the most difficult languages in the world, and believe me, because I speak 5 languages( excluding sanskrit because I only know basic stuffs, and where I live I couldn't complete it)
I agree with you, source language is so much better but sadly I have to refer to english one, because I cannot understand the language, and its very complex, even the english one.

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Posted: 7 years ago
@Lakshmi currently I am busy with my book. I am planning to publish seven vows which I had written in IF. I was very happy to see u here to discuss once again on arjun and Krishna.

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