Ques on MahaBhrarta. Peep in/ DT Nt pg 25

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Y12345

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Posted: 7 years ago

#141

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..
The Pandavas had great spiritual strength, and while they were also physically strong, that physical strength was nothing in the face of the spiritual energy they cultivated through Krishna.

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

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Posted: 7 years ago

#142

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..
One question I myself have regarding Mahabharata - I wonder how Drupad sent and unwed Draupadi off with Arjuna after the swayamvar? A swayamvar was like a betrothal. It wasn't marriage, and for a woman to reside with her betrothed's family before marriage is very odd. Sita did not leave with Ram after her swayamvar, and neither did Kunti leave with Pandu after hers. Only after marriage did a girl leave her father's home.

Was Drupad anxious for Draupadi's safety after the battle that erupted, and thus he sent her off for her own protection, or was there some other reason?

@Janaki,

Rama was a prince, so was Pandu. So, when they won/were selected in the swayamwars, they stayed back and left to their own kingdoms after the vedic rituals of the wedding with their wives. Here, Arjuna disguised himself a Brahmana, and the entire court was not so happy with Draupadi being betrothed to him. Already a lot of chaos happened, and Krishna had a hard time stopping it. Drupada did not want to infuriate the kshatriya race more by the vivaah and all, so he simply considered the betrothal as the wedding and sent Draupadi away. It is almost like a vidaai for Panchaali. But, that was not the case with Arjuna/Pandavas. For them, it's simply a betrothal. So that is why they agreed to marry Draupadi later on. So, Draupadi staying with them is not anything unusual. It's only after Dhristadyumna spied on them and Panchaalas got the doubt of whether these five are Pandavas or not, they sent a priest to them to confirm this matter. Later, they got the six married as they should.

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Y12345

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Posted: 7 years ago

#143

btw guys do you think Ashwathama got a worst punishment than Dury? Dury was the sinner, others followers, but then gain what do you guys think about Ashwathama?

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paartha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#144

I think the reason Ashwathama got such a deadly punishment from Lord Krishna, was because of lack of repentance on his part. Already he massacred Upapandavas and Panchala princes in the night, and after doing that he hid fearing for his life. And, instead of feeling guilty and remorseful for his actions of earlier night, he again tried to destroy Pandavas and their future progeny the next day. He did all this, despite hearing Vyasa's counsel on not to commit such a sin.

So, I think, even after studying Vedas, and knowing about Dharma and so on, Ashwathama was not able to control his senses and committed gross sins. Lord delivers those, who do true repentance but Ashwathama failed to do that, hence he had to endure such deadly punishment.

Doing mistakes is not an issue, as most of the human beings are prone to it, but feeling remorseful and repenting for the committed mistakes and not repeating them again in future, that is what separates an individual getting the mercy of Lord or not.

And, being a Brahmana who was versed in Vedas and Dharmic texts, he had an extra responsibility on acting with senses under control, but he failed to do that. Hence, I think he had to suffer such a punishment.

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mnx12

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Posted: 7 years ago

#145

Hello guys,
Just read this & felt like sharing here.

Dyut Krida was not played on account of Misfortune of Yudhisthir [it was not teh result of sins of his previous birth]. It was played to reduce the purva punya of Yudhisthir [on his own free will] Thus causing distress to his brothers & wife, which reduced his punya.

https://chiraan.com/2008/12/24/5th-house-poorvapunya/

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paartha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#146

Thanks for sharing an interesting post. Since, I don't know much about astrology/houses and all, so I will not comment on that aspect.

But, as I understand reading the blog, the gist of it says that, Yudhistir intentionally destroyed his poorva punya.

Assuming Yudhistir had +100 in his Poorva Punya account and then he committed sins by staking his brothers/wife in dice game and thus accrued -100 in his current account, thereby cancelling out the plus/minus in his respective accounts to ensure he doesn't take any more births in future. Not sure, this aspect could be the reason for Yudhistir's decision. If that is so, then it could be termed as pretty selfish decision on Yudhistir's part, just to relieve himself of not taking any future births, he caused severe distress to his wife and brothers in the process.

Actually, I feel your earlier post regarding karma and saguna brahmana and so on, makes more sense to me, than this poorva punya concept of reduction on will and thus foregoing future births.

Thus reading earlier posts, the one which makes sense to me is, we will have births, till we have exhausted all our bad deeds/sins in all our previous births by cancelling out with good deeds. So, to me, at all times, in the account it will be -ve and only when the current total becomes 0/+ve, we will not have any more births and attain liberation.

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Y12345

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Posted: 7 years ago

#147

Originally posted by: mnx12
Hello guys,
Just read this & felt like sharing here.

Dyut Krida was not played on account of Misfortune of Yudhisthir [it was not teh result of sins of his previous birth]. It was played to reduce the purva punya of Yudhisthir [on his own free will] Thus causing distress to his brothers & wife, which reduced his punya.

https://chiraan.com/2008/12/24/5th-house-poorvapunya/

will read this. Thanks a lot

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Y12345

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Posted: 7 years ago

#148

Originally posted by: paartha
Thanks for sharing an interesting post. Since, I don't know much about astrology/houses and all, so I will not comment on that aspect.
But, as I understand reading the blog, the gist of it says that, Yudhistir intentionally destroyed his poorva punya.

Assuming Yudhistir had +100 in his Poorva Punya account and then he committed sins by staking his brothers/wife in dice game and thus accrued -100 in his current account, thereby cancelling out the plus/minus in his respective accounts to ensure he doesn't take any more births in future. Not sure, this aspect could be the reason for Yudhistir's decision. If that is so, then it could be termed as pretty selfish decision on Yudhistir's part, just to relieve himself of not taking any future births, he caused severe distress to his wife and brothers in the process.

Actually, I feel your earlier post regarding karma and saguna brahmana and so on, makes more sense to me, than this poorva punya concept of reduction on will and thus foregoing future births.

Thus reading earlier posts, the one which makes sense to me is, we will have births, till we have exhausted all our bad deeds/sins in all our previous births by cancelling out with good deeds. So, to me, at all times, in the account it will be -ve and only when the current total becomes 0/+ve, we will not have any more births and attain liberation.

I love that analysis. With that in mind, could you try to use what you said in last paragraph, and relate that to Ashwathama and what you said earlier.

So if A is still alive, did he attain liberation? How does this concept apply to his concept?

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paartha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#149

Originally posted by: Y12345

I love that analysis. With that in mind, could you try to use what you said in last paragraph, and relate that to Ashwathama and what you said earlier.
So if A is still alive, did he attain liberation? How does this concept apply to his concept?

Actually, as I said, only when we exhaust all our bad deeds/sins in our account via good deeds/acts, then only we get to attain Moksha/Liberation. So, in the case of Ashwathama, I think because of his deadly sin, he accrued high -ve balance, and hence he had to suffer for long period of time to cancel out his -ve balance. Only after going through that process, then only I think he will get liberation. And, at that time, there will be not any more account of sins/misdeeds.

As I understand, we will get ultimate liberation only when we no longer take a birth. So, if we are taking a birth, then I think karma will again play a role and it will run in cycles. In hindi, it is said like 'Janam-Maran ke Bandhan Se Mukti'. I think this is similar to what Mnx also said in earlier posts.

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mnx12

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Posted: 7 years ago

#150

Checking an event from different perspectives can give a different understanding or may make things simpler to understand.

Yudhisthir his brothers & Draupadi were connected to each other through Destiny. Hence one's karma affects others. Its more of all were experiencing their combined Destiny.

Karmic account can not be seen with normal pov. Hence a different knowledge is required.

There is an interesting concept of Karma-kshaya, in Spirituality.

After knowing about Ashwathhama's curse, rishi Durvasa taught him a powerful worship system to ease his pain & get his karmas nullify during the long years of his punishment.

Ashwathhama is cheeranjeevi. Due to punya of his tapa of the system rishi Durvasa taught him, he is going to be one of the Saptarishis in next manvantar. So an overall view indicates- a rishi, who helped Kauravas, committed crime, got cursed as a result, was able to clear his bad deeds with the help of our rich Spiritual system.

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