Dharmakshetra on Epic channel #4/ DT Nt pg 3 - Page 22

watching the epi, where is draupadi in the sabhaa?

hmm, so this show is ditching the kalash birth description of duryodhan, anyway they are sticking with the fact that he was apshaguni.

duryodhan ko tyaag na karnaa ek bohot badi bhul thi.

is draupadi there in the precap?

Originally posted by: indianprincess

Thats what i'm asking, if a women having relation with more than 3 men was considered inappropriate, then how come practically nobody objected to pandav panchali marriage not even the kuru elders?

AFAIK Apart from karna nobody ever called her bad names for living with 5 men.

I think key word here is 'husband'

what kunti said was other than your husband a woman can have relation with only 3 other men but panchali only had relationship with her husbands and not any else that is not some one who wasnt her husband.So this rule cant be applied on her

Originally posted by: Urmila11

Few examples of Yudhishthir's 'greed':

• He earned unbelievable popularity from HP people within a short time. If he wanted he could easily dethrone his blind uncle to get the crown. But he did not do so. Rather, humbly followed uncle's order when he was sent to Varanavata.
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• He did not make a single protest even after receiving a barren land to rule. (We should remember that, he had birthright on the undivided Kuru throne, but he did not get angry when Dhritarashtra literally drove them away from their home).
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• He did not want to expand his kingdom. He did not want a conflict with Jarasandha, he then told Krishna that he did not have a need of so much wealth, he was happy with his little kingdom & little possessions. (A greedy man's words, no?) So, despite of having Krishna, Bheem, Arjun's power at hand, he did not want to become an emperor.
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• Just before Rajasuya, he offered everything to Krishna and requested Him to perform the sacrifice, i.e, to be the Emperor instead of him. Then Krishna expressed His wish to see Yudhi as Emperor. Only after this he sat for the rituals. What a 'greedy' he was!
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• Even before playing dice, he told Shakuni, "Nikrityaa kaamaye na aham sukhanyuta dhanani ba (I don't want any happiness or wealth through cheating.)"
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• He himself said this in Van Parva, "my desire of wealth is not for enjoying it when obtained. It is only for the support of the Brahmanas that I desire it and not because I am actuated by avarice! For what purpose, O Brahmana, doth one like us lead a domestic life, if he cannot cherish and support those that follow him? " (KMG) I wonder why people love to forget this line. (Now I guess he will get a new lebel casteist' but please read Yudhi-Nahusha samvad from Ajaagar parvadhyaya to know who a true Brahmin' actually is according to him.)
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• Krishna's words to Yudhi, "Kaamaan na kim chit kurushe narendra, Na cha arthalobhaat prajahaasi Dharmam (O King, you never have desired for anything, you never let Dharma go for greed of wealth.)" (KMG). I know many of you will laugh at me for this point, but sorry I could not resist it. For me, Krishna's words are the ultimate.
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• None of us is King or queen, but I'm pretty sure that none of us would be able to spend 1 year in hardships of exile. But he, the Emperor of Aaryavarta, DID it, for 12 years. And refused to return home even when his dear ones requested him.
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• When Duri & Co were caught by gandharvas then Yudhi should have let them be killed so that he could easily get the throne of HP as soon as possible (remember that gandharvas were their friends & they wanted to help them, so that would have been an easy task if Yudhi wanted to get HP then & there). What was the need to wait for 13 years? He had so much greed' that he ordered his brothers to protect them whose land he desired to get.
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• He did not allow Bheem to kill Jayadrath. Foolish act for a 'greedy', no? he did not even think that Sindhu kingdom would be his if Jayadrath was killed then.
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• When Yudhi was asked by Lord Dharma to pray for anything, he only asked him to return the Brahmin's property first which was stolen. He got an opportunity to ask anything from a God (& that God was his father also), why did he not want any material pleasure? Why did he ask for Dharma only?
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• After Pandavas saved King Virat, he himself wanted to gift his kingdom to Kanka but Kanka clearly refused. King Virat said, "O Brahmin, I will coronate you as the Matsya King, as you saved both my life and kingdom!" but Kanka replied, "King, I am pleased with your words, you keep serving your prajas with compassion in your heart, and that will be enough!" See, what a 'greedy'!
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• He was ready to sacrifice his whole right on Indraprashtha & wanted only 5 villages so that the war could be stopped. Please remember that he was the Chakravarti Samrat of whole Aaryavarta, still he wanted only 5 villages & told Sanjay that he was ready to forgive all unforgivable sins of kauravas in return of only 5 villages!
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• Krishna told him before peace visit, "Thy heart inclineth to righteousness, whereas their inclination is towards enmity.That which is obtained without war is of great value to thee." (KMG) Again, sorry for this point but I strongly believe in Krishna's words.
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• Who else could donate the whole kingdom to Vyas Dev as dakshina of Ashwamedha sacrifice? But King Yudhishthir practically did it, & when Vyasa requested him to take his kingdom back, he refused to do so, "This kingdom is now yours, I cannot take it back". Finally, to respect Vyasa's order he accepted his kingdom again.

Urmila agree with all except the expansion part

Yudi definitely wanted to do Rajsuyayajna

In lokapala parva which Narad and Yudi are having a conversation Narad mentions about how in Indra's sabha there is only one king i.e Harishchandra to which Yudi asks why and he says because he ruled the world and subjugated several kings and all

It is then that the idea of Rajsuya yajna comes in his mind and he wants to be an emperor

So he calls all his minnisters for their conuncil on how he can become an emperor they all encourage him but at last he wants advice from krishna ji as well that is when Krishna ji comes

Also Yudi didnt want to fight with Jarasandha because krishna ji tells him how powerful jarasandha is and yudi feels that if krishna ji couldn't defeat him then how could he

But he definitely wanted to do Rajasuya Yajna it was his idea

Can you please give me citation for the point in bold.Dont remember this part

Also you forgot to add how he took care of Dhrit and Gandhari after the war .He did more for them than their own son ever did.Conversation between him and Dhrit post war is heart touching

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

I think key word here is 'husband'

what kunti said was other than your husband a woman can have relation with only 3 other men but panchali only had relationship with her husbands and not any else that is not some one who wasnt her husband.So this rule cant be applied on her

Absolutely, thats what i meant.

Can anybody tell me where i can find harivamsa online to read in English

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

@Reshama

It is absolute foolishness to blame Yudhi for Draupadi's division. Firstly, it is Kunti who said the words of division. So even if Yudhishthir wanted to marry Draupadi, then also he could not if it would not be a coincidence -- Kunti signalling division. And after Kunti says so and realizes she said something wrong SHE was the one who put the decision making part on Yudhishthir. Yudhi never said let me settle this. And after he got to make the decision, he said Arjun should marry her alone as she was won by him. It is ARJUN who said he would not marry as his eldest is not married. Now do you expect Yudhi to hold Arjun's neck and force him to marry? I am sorry but Arjun was Yudhi's brother and not his slave. So finally, Yudhishthir said that all five should marry her. To this Draupadi shows no objection. No one does. And also, Vyasa already told them she was to become the five of Pandavas. So how is Yudhi to be blamed here?

I agree
Infact if we go by CE (critical edition) its Arjuna who first suggests that Panchali should marry us all

Basically the below paragraph in KMG the bold part

"Arjuna, hearing this, replied, 'O king, do not make me a participator in sin. Thy behest is not conformable to virtue. That is the path followed by the sinful. Thou shouldst wed first, then the strong-armed Bhima of inconceivable feats, then myself, then Nakula, and last of all, Sahadeva endued with great activity. Both Vrikodara and myself, and the twins and this maiden also, all await, O monarch, thy commands. When such is the state of things, do that, after reflection, which would be proper, and conformable virtue, and productive of fame, and beneficial unto the king of Panchala. All of us are obedient to thee. O, command us as thou likest.'

In CE its 'Thou should wed her first,then Bhima and so on'

I will also post the citation in a while so as per CE atleast its Arjuna who first suggests that Panchali should marry all and then Yudi makes his decision.

Also if we ignore CE and go by KMG alone then also not sure how Yudi can be blamed .I mean i dont understand what was the right thing for yudi to do after Arjuna refuses to marry her alone.?Should he have sent panchali back or married her alone or what?I think he did the best he could do in that situation

Hi all