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Posted: 10 years ago
I'm not sure how it went down in MB, but Anu is correct. All Dury needed was to make Yudhi loose the first stake, that is Nakul or his kingdom, which ever he staked first. Once Dury wins that, it/he becomes his property. So next time Yudhi stakes Sahdev, Dury can have Nakul as a counter offer. Once Yudhi loses Sahdev, then Dury has Nakul and Sahdev as counter to Yudhi's Arjun etc.

This way as long as Yudhi is foolish enough to continue playing and Shakuni uses his underhand methods, there is no way Yudhi walks out of there with anything less or more than what Dury intends him to. To make matters worse, he comes back for a second game.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Exactly...
Nonetheless, Duryodhan has to stake someone, be it his own family or the enslaved Ps...
But nothing of that sort is mentioned...
How can someone be so lost in his addiction?
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: amritat

Exactly...
Nonetheless, Duryodhan has to stake someone, be it his own family or the enslaved Ps...
But nothing of that sort is mentioned...
How can someone be so lost in his addiction?


Actually, IIRC Shakuni does say do you want a chance to win back what you have lost? That would mean Dury's counterstake was whatever Yudhi lost until then. So when Panchali was staked, Dury's counterstake would have been IP + all citizens and properties + YBANS.
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Posted: 10 years ago

The King is dead - long live the King !


The same Yudhisthir who was honoured, worshiped, crowned and much feted by all the kings of India at Rajasuyagna, was treated as a common servant by Virat for over a year ! Virat may not have seen Arjun as a dance teacher, and he had no cause to see Drupadi as she was living amongst the women. Bhima he saw on occasion as a wrestler. Nakul and Sahadev he hardly met. But Yudhisthir, the crowned Emperor and Chakravarti was in his presence all day, everyday, yet, he did not recognise him !
Oh how the mighty had fallen ! The moment Yudhisthir lost the second dice game, he was lost - literally !
No one amongst the good and the great of India housed or hosted him for 12 long lonely years. No one offered to house the exiled Pandavas in their extensive kingdoms.


Ten headed Ravan, Lord of golden Lanka, whose word was law amongst devas and danavas, lay on the battlefield to soak the earth with his blood.
Proud Duryodhan who heedlessly sacrificed the lives of millions to prove himself right, lay alone and bleeding, fighting off vultures and wolves.
Jarasandha, Kansa, Shishupal, Shalva, Drupada, Drona, Bhishma - all died and the world continued to function as before.
Aferall, King is dead - long live the King !

While in charge, no one dared to challenge the Kauravas openly. They voiced their upsets in cryptic fashion, telling them how "unfair" fate / karma / destiny was towards the Pandavas. They told the Kauravas to be kinder to their "unfortunate" cousins. Yet, all those good and great still ate and drank the food of the Kauravas. They were entertained by them. They sat in their illustrious halls and spoke at length about "rights and wrongs" of the world. Vidur and Krishna were the rare few who said anything against them. Even Krishna's brother Balram couldn't see how Kauravas were better or worse than Pandavas. Afterall, by coming to the gambling match of their own free will, and gambling away their wealth twice (TWICE) themselves, Pandavas invited this ill fortune on their own head ! No one forced them to gamble !! This is the line used by many in the Mahabharat to defend the Kauravs.

No one is flawless. BUT - Pandavas were open and honest about their shortcomings.
Kauravas never admitted their mistakes and thought the world "owed" them more !


So yes maybe duryodhana was a good king but whether he was better than yudhister is debatable. Maybe yes if we compare him to emperor Asoka who killed 99 brothers of his to get the throne, who had a gruesome detailed secially designed torture chamber - well his subjects never claimed being done any wrong by him either, he was considered a good king in patliputra.


King is dead - long live the King !😛




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Posted: 10 years ago
and here is the brahmin's say for duri to dhrit:

Asramavasika Parva, Section 10: Context: The people of Kurujangala want to communicate a message to Dhritarashtra, so they form an assembly and elect a Brahmana to speak for them:

That learned Brahmana, of good behaviour, chosen by unanimous consent, conversant with all topics, master of all the Rishis, and named Samba, endeavoured to speak. Taking the permission of the whole assembly and with its full approbation, that learned Brahmana of great intelligence, conscious of his own abilities, said these words unto the king,"O monarch, the answer of this assembly has been committed to my care. I shall voice it, O hero. Do thou receive it, O king...Verily, in this race of kings, there never was a king who coming to rule his subjects became unpopular with them. Ye have ruled us like fathers or brothers. King Duryodhana never did us any wrong...We were well protected and ruled by king Duryodhana even as we had been ruled by king Santanu, or by Chitrangada, or by thy father, O monarch, who was protected by the prowess of Bhishma, or by Pandu, that ruler of Earth, who was overlooked by thee in all his acts. Thy son, O monarch, never did us the slightest wrong. We lived, relying on that king as trustfully as on our own father. It is known to thee how we lived (under that ruler). After the same manner, we have enjoyed great happiness, O monarch, for thousands of years, under the rule of Kunti's son of great intelligence and wisdom. This righteous-souled king who performs sacrifices with gifts in profusion, follows the conduct of the royal sages of old, belonging to thy race, of meritorious deeds, having Kuru and Samvara and others and Bharata of great intelligence among them. There is nothing, O monarch, that is even slightly censurable in the matter of this Yudhishthira's rule. Protected and ruled by thee, we have all lived in great happiness. The slightest demerit is incapable of being alleged against thee and thy son. Regarding what thou hast said about Duryodhana in the matter of this carnage of kinsmen, I beg thee, O delighter of the Kurus (to listen to me).' "The Brahmana continued, The destruction that has overtaken the Kurus was not brought about by Duryodhana. It was not brought about by thee. Nor was it brought about by Karna and Suvala's son. We know that it was brought about by destiny, and that it was incapable of being counteracted."

So here we have Yudhishthira and Duryodhana's rule being put on the same pedestal, as well as a bunch of other assorted compliments.


so the person who is praising duri's rule is also praising yudi for the same. his words are meant to console dhrit who at that time was into depression mode and also to uplift yudi who was in a self-depreciative mode.
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Posted: 10 years ago
😆 Jamy bro
If you ever decide to write your version of MB, please do send me a PM. I will stand in line to buy it
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

😆 Jamy bro

If you ever decide to write your version of MB, please do send me a PM. I will stand in line to buy it



Why stand in line, Anu - Us IF members should get first preview at the book, no?

@Jamy, put me in the list of buyers too😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
😆 have not planned anything as such. But I will distribute free copies to all MBians if I ever write any.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Gosh seems like fire! Thankfully Seman is back.. and discussion seems to be hot! My bad.. I was admitted to hospital on Friday. 😭 WIll be discharged tomorrow! So today is Dhrit's trial! 😃 Hopefully will watch it 😈
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

Gosh seems like fire! Thankfully Seman is back.. and discussion seems to be hot! My bad.. I was admitted to hospital on Friday. 😭 WIll be discharged tomorrow! So today is Dhrit's trial! 😃 Hopefully will watch it 😈



Hope u have a speedy recovery 😊

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