Dharma Kshetra on Epic Channel # 3 Link to Thread 4 on PG 142 - Page 4

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

Am a Panchali fan first and foremost and I will say this very clearly. In the whole epic if there is any one character (that includes Krishna) who did not pull any shenanigans for personal benefit it is only Panchali. She who forgave Jaydrath and was not trying vansh naash on Keechak when he attempted more than Dushy, was not out for personal revenge in KK war. If she is not the storehouse of greatness, there is no one else in the epic who is great.

Anu...wat I meant by that statement is NOONE was perfect in the epic...except the Lord.
Noone is a storehouse of greatness in the epic...All the characters were human, n like human they did bad deeds as well as great ones...Some are greater n some are lesser...But noone was perfect...

The reason y I brought up Draupadi is bcoz I wanted to make it clear to Urmila that not just Yudisthir, even my favourite character wasnt perfect...
As for her greatness, do I have a doubt?

ABSOLUTELY NOT...And that's y I am one of the Drauholics in this forum...
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Originally posted by: Arijit007

i hope yudhi says like how semanti said in the question of being lusty.

Should I write the script then 😆
Anyway, he will say it in my FF 😉

I would say we don't need to blame anyone, but not for the same reason. If we look at them as human beings with all the same emotions, I would say they both wanted to marry her. I would say at that age and probably in a hormone fueled haste, they didn't think about Panchali's side of it. Young men are frequently thoughtless. Anyone here who can deny that?😆

Originally posted by: Urmila11

But is there no way to narrate that incident without putting any blame on anybody? I think we can. It needs thought, but we can. Personally I would love to research on it as I love Pandav-Panchali and don't want to put blame on any of them.
Of course Panchali is a great Sati. And that means she kept a beautiful relation with all of them, which was very difficult job. She passed in her test so she should be worshiped as Goddess. But I do think that a woman cannot pass such a hard test without getting necessary assistance from her husbands. So Pandavas deserve our respect too for their self-restraint.

I dont think it is that easy...
I personally dont agree with her 'smiles' n 'looks'...
I am not suggesting that she was forced...But I believe either she agreed bcoz she had no other option or her words were carefully edited to raise the Pandav-Panchali marriage to a divine level...
And yes, she did respect all her husbands a lot...
Even after the Vastraharan, she followed them to exile n served them with full devotion, despite her occasional reminders of war...
So, I think there is no doubt regarding her respect for her husbands...Ofcourse she cared about them n had immense devotion for them...

And yes, the Pandavas n Draupadi had an amazing understanding between them as far as their conjugal n marital lived were concerned...They had self-restaint n I dont think anyone is questioning that...

I think life dealt her (Panchali) lemons and she made lemonade. I admire her for that. Probably it was a confusing situation for all concerned but what is surprising is that how ever difficult, none, Y, A or K bother to ask Panchali about it. I do believe like Anu said, Panchali was a vocal person, she would definitley have said something and it would not have been positive, hence omitted out of the text. This is just my belief not a fact😊

Panchali accepted the situation does not necessarily mean she was thrilled about it. But she was an astute woman and decided to make the best of the situation. Going by the description of the Pandavas, they were certainly not an ugly bunch 😆
She did a wonderful job of being a good wife to all 5 of them and of course her husbands would have supported her in this endeavour..they were the ones who put her in that situation in the first place!
As for her flaws. I think she was the least flawed character in the epic...she had a mind and spoke it...in an era where women were supposed to be docile eye candy probably that was a flaw. But here credit should go to the Pandavas for not curtailing her mind and actually encouraging her.
She was their true sahadharmini.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

The only imperfection in Panchali that I can see is an inability to bend; till the very end she would not use honey to catch flies, she would go after them with a gadha😆. Govind had that. But he didn't have Panchali's clarity prior to the VH I think, IMO he developed that after and till then he had a naive trust in humanity's essential goodness.

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I agree with u on this one...

Draupadi's greatest flaw was the fact that she could never let go off things easily n went after people who wronged her with gadha, dhanush n everything available to her 😆...While fighting for justice is great, sometimes a little bit of forgiveness is pleasant...She did not forget n forgive easily...n made sure everyone paid for wronging her...
I think this is the best as well as the worst quality of Draupadi...

I don't think lack of forgiveness was a fault in Panchali. She was quite forgiving of Jaydrath and would even have let go off Keechak of he would stop bothering her.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

I don't think lack of forgiveness was a fault in Panchali. She was quite forgiving of Jaydrath and would even have let go off Keechak of he would stop bothering her.

I think she didn't learn to sweet talk people into things; rather she was direct (with a gadha😆and called an adharmi exactly that)and expected them to comply because it was the right thing to do. While Govind had a naive belief in humanity's goodness and reason, Panchali's greatest blessing and her greatest mistake was her forthrightness.

I cannot agree that she was unforgiving ever. In which case, forget J and K, she wouldn't have forgiven Ashwi. And note that none of the 3 even asked for forgiveness.

That's why I keep saying, I don't think she sought the war for personal vengeance. I really think she wanted to destroy the power structure. And I think Govind tried negotiating for peace because of HIS own hope which he probably knew by then, was in vain. She turned to be right in that instance.

Much as I hate to admit it, if she had been mild and compliant in the DS, the assault may have been less. And she could probably have waited for Govind to ride to the rescue. But she was not a woman who would bend, not at that cost. It is almost the same as those ministers declaring that Nirbhaya should have called those monsters 'Bhaiyya'.

Make note that I am not blaming her or Nirbhaya. In fact I agree with them that the cost is too much.

Anu...I know wat u mean...
In fact, in a way, it can be said that if Draupadi had not resented n simply obeyed Duryodhan's command, then she would probably not have been forced n dragged by hair...

But at the same time, the question arises, y should she obey?
She was not only the Queen of IP but princess of Panchal...More importantly, y would she being a bahu agree to stand in an open court full of men, in that condition, when women were not even touched by their own husbands!!

Draupadi did eventually forgive Ashwathama but her basic nature was not forgiving...
And I completely agree with u...
She was too forthright... There are places where she could have been/should have been a little more diplomatic n cunning...But instead she was straightforward n expressed her views openly...
In today's time too, such women are feared n often seen as 'not so elegant'...
Being a woman of Dwapar Yug, she was too straightforward n forthright...
That is wat sets her apart from all other female characters of Indian culture...but it also makes her one of the most misunderstood n abused character of the epic as well...

By the way, I am glad, being Drauholics we are discussing Draupadi's flaws without any hesitation... 😊
I have always detested blind fanaticism...But in the past one year, due to reasons n some people you very well know about 😉,I had turned into quite a fanatic of Draupadi myself... 😆 Although I will pick up the sword again, if any basher raises head 😆, I really would like to explore her negative side, her real negative side , n not the fake ones that are invented by tv serials n novels...

well, count me in, i am also ready to crush those who bash draupadi, btw, did you heard about the interview of nirbhaya's rapists?