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Posted: 10 years ago
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Here you go. Punishment is not the same as revenge. She wanted him punished. That is actually part of her duty as Empress.


Those tigers among men, borne by their excellent steeds resembling the wing in fleetness, came back with him of Dasharha's race to their encampment. Speedily alighting from their cars, those great car-warriors, themselves much more afflicted, beheld, Drupada's daughter Krishna afflicted with woe. Approaching the cheerless princess stricken with sorrow and grief, the Pandavas with Keshava, sat round her.

Then the mighty Bhimasena, desired by the king, gave that celestial gem unto her and said these words: "This gem, O amiable lady, is thine. The slayer of thy sons hath been vanquished. Rise, casting off thy sorrow, and recollect the duties of akshatriya lady. O thou of black eyes, when Vasudeva was about to set out (from Upaplavya) on his mission of peace, thou hadst, O timid lady, said even these words unto the slayer of Madhu, "I have no husbands! I have no sons, nor brothers! Nor art thou alive, O Govinda, since the king desires for peace!" Those bitter words were addressed by thee to Krishna, that foremost of persons! It behoveth thee to recollect those words of thine that were so consistent with kshatriya usages.

The wretched Duryodhana, that obstacle on the way of our sovereignty, has been slain. I have quaffed the blood of the living Duhshasana. We have paid off the debt we owed to our enemy. People, while talking, will not be able to censure us any longer. Having vanquished Drona's son, we have set him free for the sake of his being a brahmana and of the respect that should be shown to our deceased preceptor. His fame hath been destroyed, O goddess, only his body remains! He has been divested of his gem and on earth he has been reft of his weapons!"

Draupadi said, "I desired to only pay off our debt for the injury we have sustained. The preceptor's son is worthy of my reverence as the preceptor himself. Let the king bind this gem on his head, O Bharata!" The king then, taking that gem, placed it on his head, at the desire of Draupadi and regarding it as a gift from the preceptor. Holding on his head that excellent and celestial gem, the puissant king looked beautiful like a mountain with the moon above it. Though stricken with grief on account of the death of her sons, the princess Draupadi, possessed of great mental strength, gave up her vow. Then king Yudhishthira enquired of the mighty-armed Krishna, saying the following words."

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Posted: 10 years ago
#52
hmm, interesting, anyway she won't be termed as a demoness if she wanted to destroy te power structure.
Edited by Arijit007 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Arijit007

well, count me in, i am also ready to crush those who bash draupadi, btw, did you heard about the interview of nirbhaya's rapists?


To be honest, more than the statement of the rapist, it was the statement of the defense lawyer that shocked me.

He says: Indian culture is the best culture and in our culture there is no place for a woman. If you keep sweets on the street then dogs will come and eat them etc. etc.

If educated people are thinking this way and have this mindset, then its certainly worrying. More than Bhima we need Parasuram.
Edited by ThePirateKing - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#54

I remember the interview of the defence lawyer during the Mumbai rape case...
He said, 'Rape occurs only when men get excited. They are getting excited only bcoz of the clothes of the women' đŸ€ą
I wonder...dont these people have wife n daughters? What logic will they give if one of their own daughters get tormented?The worst part is even WOMEN support this!!
How will the sons learn if their mothers have this kind of mindset!!

And then ofcourse the 'Boys will be boys' comment by a famous politician.. đŸ€ą

We certainly need a Parshuram to exterminate not just the beastly men but also the women, who support this inhuman behaviour...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Some of us don't think Panchali took it as a blessing because nowhere does it say so. The smile can mean anything. And this was a woman who was quite vocal about everything. Which leads me to believe her words were deliberately left out. Which leads me to ask why. Which leads me think that perhaps because they were not complimentary to Y or A or Kunti.

We can argue about it till kingdom come, but nowhere does it say she took it as a blessing. In fact, even though I believe the swarga parva was an interpolation, the statement of Yudhi's that she loved Arjun more negates the whole assumption that she was happy with the arrangement. If she loved him more, why would she agree to marry all 5?



I have not really made up my mind on whether Panchaali was happy with the division or not, but Anu, the very fact that she did not react when she is usually vocal about everything, could it not be interpreted to take it that she had no objection as such? Why should it mean that she did say something not complimentary to Y, A or K and so it was left out? Nowhere it says she took it as a blessing...but then nowhere does it say she took it as a curse either! Which leads me to think that Panchaali had no real objection as such. Maybe she really didn't say anything...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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This thread is on fire and the accused has not even taken stand😆.

I have a doubt about interpolations and omissions with regards to Draupadi's sharing. I am not at all speculating about what she felt or did not feel when the sharing was proposed as I am not a body language expert to read her smile or silence. But for me to consider her response/protest as an omission I will need a stronger basis than a premise which hinges on the fact that because she spoke her mind in other situations, she must have done so here too.
Because firstly, this pre supposes a consistency in human behaviour. No character has been consistent in MB or in life for that matter-every character has at least once done something which he was either too good or too bad to do, so she was too 'out spoken' for meek submission does not hold for me. Secondly, this suggests selective omission-her questions to the highly revered Kuru Sabha was retained, her arguments with Dharmraj was retained, some very sacrilegious comments regarding God and ontology was retained, her displeasure and snide remarks to Arjun and Yudi later in the epic was retained, then what on earth did she say here that got the editors scissors out😆.
Plus an omission does not go with the general character of the epic where Draupadi is not the only women to have spoken her mind and demanded her rightful place - Shakuntala, Savitri and even Kunti for invoking the fiery Vidula narration to motivate her sons have been typifying unique feminine portrayals.

So it would help me gain clarity if someone can share any citation where she has lamented the marriage arrangement..or the fact that that she was not asked. Then I would be inclined to speculate as to why was there no documentation of her views on this. Otherwise, I am going to go to attribute her unlikely silence to what she herself was advocating to Yudi-that there is not one course of action that is appropriate for all circumstances, but rather actions are situational and conditional.
Edited by Sadhana_pr - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#57
Seems like we are going in loops...
All we discuss in this thread is Draupadi's sharing, n Draupadi's Vastraharan n Draupadi's love for her husbands n y Draupadi fell...
The other characters rarely get a chance... 😆, except ofcourse Yudisthir... 😆
I guess we'll never agree on this sharing thing...
Edited by amritat - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Some of us don't think Panchali took it as a blessing because nowhere does it say so. The smile can mean anything. And this was a woman who was quite vocal about everything. Which leads me to believe her words were deliberately left out. Which leads me to ask why. Which leads me think that perhaps because they were not complimentary to Y or A or Kunti.

We can argue about it till kingdom come, but nowhere does it say she took it as a blessing. In fact, even though I believe the swarga parva was an interpolation, the statement of Yudhi's that she loved Arjun more negates the whole assumption that she was happy with the arrangement. If she loved him more, why would she agree to marry all 5?



But nowhere does it say that she was unhappy about it. I mean because she is so vocal about everything, she would have definitely said no about it if she would be unhappy. And among all five, she may like Arjun more. Just like Drona loved Arjun most among all his students? (Just using as an example:P) so that does not mean she will disagree to marry the five. I mean in half an hour of meeting Arjun she started loving him more before seeing the others? That does not make sense 😕 I mean maybe after seeing all, she had s soft spot for Arjun. At that time I don't think Arjun made any difference except for the fact that she would expect Arjun to protest too. I accept that. But since I feel she was happy about it, she just let it be.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat



Brishti...I think people have a problem accepting it bcoz it kind of puts Draupadi in a bad position by Kaliyugi standards...
Ved Vyas n scholars of olden days have called Draupadi a Sati...Even if we remove the divinity n ignore concepts of avatar, then we can say that she has been compared to Ma Lakshmi n Ma Kali...
Dwapar Yug never bothered about her polyandry but unfortunately Kaliyugis do...
How she's talked about in various places n novels...I am sure u know about that...
The narrow-minded Kaliyugi psyche worships polygamous men like Karna n Arjun but spit shit when it comes to a polygamous woman by calling her 'characterless'...Nowadays, people find it hard to digest that a woman readily agreed to marry 5 men n try to see an element of prostitution in her...N hence some who empathize with Draupadi try to find alternate answers for this division n put the blame on Kunti n Yudisthir...



Amrita by doing that we are also showing we have the same mindset like the people you talked about!! Dear do you also think the same? I am sure you don't! See, people just need another thing to talk about! So is it a solution to say Kunti or Yudhi is at blame? And Kunti is definitely not at fault! Even if I accept Yudhishthir at fault, then too it was a mistake for Kunti. She was guilty so she put the decision making part of Yudhistir !!
And another thing Amrita. Mahabharat is set in the Later Vedic Age! It is not the same in Kalyug. If we try to analyse mb from today's pov thenany things will chsnge! In the modern thought process, I would not even accept the fact that "Pandavs won coz Dharm was with them". Anyways, coming back to point we should see it from the pov of Dwapar Yug and not Kalyug.

Draupadi is Draupadi. No matter what people say, she is and always will be among the best of women
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Problem is, EPanchali can accuse Yudhi saying that he wanted her, he was happy at her division, even he lusted her etc etc ALL kind of Kaliyugi remarks, but I think Yudhi will not be able to state that, 'then why didn't you open your lips then?' Problem is, everybody has right to put all blame on Yudhi but poor fellow cannot do the same thing in return, that's why he suffers maximum blame from Kaliyugi brilliants 😭
Note: here I'm talking about EPanchali, not real Panchali. I am 100% sure that she would never bring such insult on Yudhi. This show has hurt my YuDi lover self đŸ„ș
Edited by Urmila11 - 10 years ago

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