Dharma Kshetra on Epic Channel # 3 Link to Thread 4 on PG 142

Originally posted by: AnuMP

3) Gambler's impulses are strong, so we don't need to keep beating him on the head for that. But I do blame him for not asking his brothers to react to the attempted disrobing. Dharma is worth NOTHING as it is written on the books. It is like a currency note. The only value that it has is based on what it can buy. Otherwise it is just paper. So, if his book dharma couldn't protect the helpless, then it was worth nothing. And he did it deliberately. But again I am willing to buy that it was ignorance and weakness.

6) You know what I blame him for? For NEVER EVER saying he is at fault. During that convo with Panchali and Bheem in Vana Parva, he says it is because of him, but he NEVER says I WAS WRONG to gamble, to not stop the assault etc etc. And to top it all, he insinuates that Panchali was talking like an atheist, which in those days carried the penalty of death, if I am not mistaken

So, if we are done being facetious, I would accuse him of 1, 2 and 6

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

Am a Panchali fan first and foremost and I will say this very clearly. In the whole epic if there is any one character (that includes Krishna) who did not pull any shenanigans for personal benefit it is only Panchali. She who forgave Jaydrath and was not trying vansh naash on Keechak when he attempted more than Dushy, was not out for personal revenge in KK war. If she is not the storehouse of greatness, there is no one else in the epic who is great.

Urmila / Varaali

We don't need to make a big list of trumped up charges

1) The Nishada woman and her sons

2) Division of Panchali. He argued for it. There is no question on that

3) Gambler's impulses are strong, so we don't need to keep beating him on the head for that. But I do blame him for not asking his brothers to react to the attempted disrobing. Dharma is worth NOTHING as it is written on the books. It is like a currency note. The only value that it has is based on what it can buy. Otherwise it is just paper. So, if his book dharma couldn't protect the helpless, then it was worth nothing. And he did it deliberately. But again I am willing to buy that it was ignorance and weakness.

4) I dont blame him for Jaydrath and am even willing to buy your theory of Keechak

5) And I don't know what Amrita means by blaming him for Shalya demoralizing Karna. I don't even blame him for Abhi. One of the duties as a ruler is that sometimes you have to send people to their deaths for the greater good (that does not include the Nishada family since that was for personal benefit) and as far as he knew Karna was one of his greatest enemies. I ADMIRE him for these two things. In fact, the only credit I would ever give Yudhi is that before and after the war he may have wailed and wept, but during the war, he kept his eyes on the goal.

6) You know what I blame him for? For NEVER EVER saying he is at fault. During that convo with Panchali and Bheem in Vana Parva, he says it is because of him, but he NEVER says I WAS WRONG to gamble, to not stop the assault etc etc. And to top it all, he insinuates that Panchali was talking like an atheist, which in those days carried the penalty of death, if I am not mistaken

So, if we are done being facetious, I would accuse him of 1, 2 and 6