B R Chopra portrayal of Karna with reference to KMG - Page 9

Originally posted by: varaali

Thanks, Sabhyata.

The above lines highlighted in red show clearly that Karna was already friends with Duryodhana even during their gurukul days.

Originally posted by: varaali

You are reading only one half of the entire verse. The emphasis is not so much on 'desire' but on 'only'

I only desire your friendship.

Karna wants nothing other than Duryodhana's friendship. That's the meaning of this verse. In the previous verse Durodhana offers himself and the Kuru rajyam to Karna as a token of appreciation.

Aham cha Kuru rajyam cha yatheshtumupabhujyataam

In reply to this generous offer from Dury, Karna replies that he wants nothing other than Dury;s friendship.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Karna and dury meeting once atleast during gurukul was never dismissed.If any one cared to read my full analysis...(a) rather than going by their preconceived notions...(b) they would have realized that😆

i dont believe in disregarding one citation for the sake of other's.I have always said keeping both citations in mind they might have met during gurukul but association wasn't long enough to be termed as friendship and hence the rangbhomi citation will also make sense.I hope my point is clear now

of course reactions at karna's reintroduction at rangbhoomi matters because TM here claimed that karna and dury were friends since childhood and more which isn't true or let me say is contradictory

karna and dury say alot more than eternal and none of their words indicate towards renewal or reaffirmation both indicate towards starting a friendship in both KMG and CE

regarding their converged interests definitely dury befriended karna that time since he found a competitor for arjuna his intentions at that time weren't noble i agree with that as well

kishna ji's report card about karna in CE says the same thing as KMG...(c)

i know overreach means😆 but what does overuse of citation means.Citation can be used to prove a point or to refute it that is what TM has done in the thread as well.Overuse of citation makes no sense whatsoever😆...(d)

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

i think it was brahmashira only

brahmastra is refereed to as brahamstra in KMG but brahamshira is refereed to as brahma weapon

This is the citation from pashuram's curse

Since thou hast, from avarice of weapons, behaved here with falsehood, therefore, O wretch, this Brahma weapon shalt not dwell in thy remembrance

and the citation of when he actually forgets

Indeed, O foremost of men, when the hour of Karna's death came, the high brahmastra that the illustrious Bhargava had imparted unto him, escaped from his memory

Originally posted by: shindes

In Karn-Parv, Karna, invoking the Brahmastra, showered his shafts upon Dhananjaya. Partha also, by the aid of his Brahmastra, poured arrowy downpours upon Karna. Baffling with his own weapon the weapon of his foe, the son of Pandu continued to strike him.'

Poof, goes the Parshuram curse! It proves that the whole Parshuram-Brahmastra-curse is a fiasco.

Then with the permission of Drona, the mighty Karna, delighting in battle, there did all that Partha had done before. And, O Bharata, Duryodhana with his brothers thereupon embraced Karna in joy and then addressed him saying, 'Welcome O mighty-armed warrior! I have obtained thee by good fortune, O polite one! Live thou as thou pleasest, and command me, and the kingdom of the Kurus.' Kama replied, 'When thou hast said it, I regard it as already accomplished. I only long for thy friendship. And, O lord, my wish is even for a single combat with Arjuna.' Duryodhana said, 'Do thou with me enjoy the good things of life! Be thou the benefactor of thy friend, and, O represser of enemies, place thou thy feet on the heads of all foes."

"Vaisampayanacontinued, 'Arjuna, after this, deeming himself disgraced, said unto Karna stationed amidst the brothers like unto a cliff, 'That path which the unwelcome intruder and the uninvited talker cometh to, shall be thine, O Karna, for thou shall be slain by me.' Karna replied, 'This arena is meant for all, not for thee alone, O Phalguna! They are kings who are superior in energy; and verily the Kshatriya regardeth might and might alone. What need of altercation which is the exercise of the weak? O Bharata, speak then in arrows until with arrows I strike off thy head today before the preceptor himself!'

@ red: Obviously Arjuna knew who Karna was, since he is addressing Karna by his name.

The spectators were the one who were wondering who Karna was, since he had just gatecrashed.

The Kauravas and the Pandavas were introduced formally - but since this gatecrasher had not been introduced, everyone wondered who he was. No "hidden" here.

ANd Duryodhana regarding the arrival of Karna as "good fortune" , it is because Karna's arrival was most unexpected (and for Duryodhana, most opportune) here.

This was a tournament for the Kuru princes alone and none of the other pupils of Drona- the Avanti princes, the Panchala princes were called to participate. Karna dared to make his presence felt and Duryodhana felt it was his good luck that Karna came there and replicated Arjuna's feats.

Immediately after this DUryodhana offers himself and the Kuru rajyam to Karna for him to 'enjoy'? Why would he do that to an absolute stranger?

Saying that Karna was an 'acquaintance' not a 'friend' is just parleying with words. Karna was in the gurukul till the gurudakshina episode. Karna was part of the Kaurava team that went to capture Drupada, but failed.

In early age he made friends with king Duryodhana, led by an accident and his own nature and the hate he bore towards you all.