B R Chopra portrayal of Karna with reference to KMG - Page 18

Originally posted by: Bhavaani

Actually Karna sacrificing his armour has been made into such a huge deal and seems rather exaggerated. If his armour was so wonderful, why didn't it stop him from being defeated by the Gandharvas during the Pandavas vanvaas and and again against Arjun in the Virat War. Both times it is said that Karna flees from battle (unless you are running to save your own skin, why else would you flee?) If his armour and earrings can stop him from being killed, why would he run away?

With regards to Krishna...this is the same Krishna who told Karna that the Pandavas would be happy to make him King (maybe Yudhishtira would but I highly doubt it of Bhima) and Draupadi would also marry him if he left Duryodhan. I'd take these words of his with a pinch of salt (esp when considering his previous battles) and put it down to making sure Arjun didn't think this would be an easy fight. Damaging his ego like that was a way to ensure he would put his 100% into the battle. But that's my theory...each to their own 😊

I agree with ur points. Karna's Kavach n Kundal have been given too much credit. However, I would like to point out that Karn's Kavach was taken away before Virat Yudhh.

Lord Krishna's words r used only when it suits the occasion,it seems...
If his words r to be given importance, then everything he said about Karna should be given importance, and if not then everything should be disregarded...

If the armor was his 'sole' safeguard, why was defeated by Drupad, Bheem (Rajsuya) and Gandharvas (Ghoshyatra) with it; while none of the above had an impenetrable armor.

As it is already stated - Karna did not take part in the Guru Dakshina war, Lines proving that he was not there has been cited from KMG and CE supports the claim of Karna not taking part in Guru Dakshina war.

There are enough reasons of Karna not participating in KMG itself, let alone CE.

Originally posted by: shindes

If the armor was his 'sole' safeguard, why was defeated by Drupad, Bheem (Rajsuya) and Gandharvas (Ghoshyatra) with it; while none of the above had an impenetrable armor.

If he was defeated, he surrendered and then ran for his life defeated (respectively) in the above encounters, inspite of an 'impenetrable' armor, then that makes matters even worse.

A warrior who knows he wears an impenetrable armor should not fear injury or death. So when a warrior with no fear of injury or death, still gets defeated, surrenders and runs for his life, well...guess what that makes him? Definitely not brave.

I see, u are not an admirer of Karna. Trust me, I am not too. But I am not a Karna hater either, and I think Karna should get respect where he deserves it.

You are right amritat.

We need not question karna's military prowess. What many people ignore is when parashurama cursed him that he will forget the secret of brahmastra when he needs the most , he also blessed karna saying that he will be the foremost archer of his times and his name will become famous. Parashurama also blessed him saying that his death will be caused only by someone equal to him.

Originally posted by: amritat

Lord Krishna's words r used only when it suits the occasion,it seems...
If his words r to be given importance, then everything he said about Karna should be given importance, and if not then everything should be disregarded...

Originally posted by: Medha.S

Exactly, Let's accept that Karna was the greatest warrior, because Krishna said he considered him to be 'Arujna's equal or superior'.But, then he also says that Arjun is undefeatable and unconquerable by Gods.And he also believes Karna had no sense of Dharma and deserved to die due to his actions and says he is 'wicked souled' and 'vile wretch of sinful heart' with 'sinful understanding' and of 'lofty standards'.

Well Medha, I know wat u mean to say... 😉 😆
But u see, we all r going in cirlcles now, debating about the same thing again n again n again...
I guess we will never know for sure wat Lord Krishna wanted to convey...
But i guess, like i said before, if we want to dismiss His words, then we should dismiss everything He said about Karna, n if we really want to believe them, then we should believe everything The Lord said, both the positives n the negatives.Being selective, n choosing only those words which is agreeable to one's favouritism n dismissing the rest would be hypocrisy.

Anyway, I think this debate has become too old now n we r debating on the same thing for the past 8 monthe n more, without arriving at any conclusion. For Karna admirers, he will always be the HERO, n for non-admirers, he will always be the anti-hero. So, now that this showing is coming to its close, it's better to agree to disagree.
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By the way... Krishna seems to be conferring great title on everybody..