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SahasranamaM

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Posted: 13 years ago

#171

Thanks Vibhishna.

Now I prefer to believe the latter. Better to portray Shurpanakha as a complex character (After all, she is the granddaughter of a Saptarishi). She shouldn't just live for lust!! Even Kaikasi had her own intentions for marrying Vishrawas.

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

From what I know, Shurpanakha's husband was killed by Ravana after the latter discovered his schemes for obtaining power and declaring war against Ravana himself. In a moment of rage, Ravana killed his brother-in-law. When Shurpanakha came crying to him, he regretted his actions but consoled his sister saying he had to do it.

He sent Shurpanakha to Dandakaranya where their cousins Khara and Dusha reigned to help her get over her misery.

Shurpanakha's son was residing in the Dandaka Forests doing severe penances to please Indra or Lord Brahma - don't remember which. A divine being (Yaksha or Deva - not sure again) gave Lakshman a new weapon saying it held immense power. Lakshman decided to try it out on a dilapidated hut and was aghast to find blood gush out after a few seconds. It was the same hut where Shurpanakha's son was dong penance.

Shurpanakha bent on revenge went forth to where Ram, Lakshman and Sita were residing but fell for the handsome princes.

There are some versions which claim that Shurpanakha instigated Ravan against Ram to bring about his end as revenge for killing her husband. I don't know which version they are.

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#172

The story of Shurpanakha's husband is there in Valmiki, in the Uttarkand when the rishis narrate to Rama the history of Ravan, Vali and Hanuman. In it, her husband is not directly plotting against Ravan, but rather, he was a major general or ally of a Pataal ruler who resisted Ravan's hegemony. Hence, Ravan killed Vidyutjeev in battle.

The story of her son - Shambri - however, is not there in Valmiki, but is apparently there in Ananda Ramayan. That is what they showed in ASR.

I doubt that she'd play such a complex game to destroy Ravan. After all, she enjoyed the life that she had w/ Khar & Dushan. The thing that would be interesting to know is - what happened to her after the war i.e. after the death of Ravan. Whether Vibhishan punished her for causing the destruction of his family?

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SahasranamaM

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Posted: 13 years ago

#173

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
The story of Shurpanakha's husband is there in Valmiki, in the Uttarkand when the rishis narrate to Rama the history of Ravan, Vali and Hanuman. In it, her husband is not directly plotting against Ravan, but rather, he was a major general or ally of a Pataal ruler who resisted Ravan's hegemony. Hence, Ravan killed Vidyutjeev in battle.

The story of her son - Shambri - however, is not there in Valmiki, but is apparently there in Ananda Ramayan. That is what they showed in ASR.

I doubt that she'd play such a complex game to destroy Ravan. After all, she enjoyed the life that she had w/ Khar & Dushan. The thing that would be interesting to know is - what happened to her after the war i.e. after the death of Ravan. Whether Vibhishan punished her for causing the destruction of his family?

I hope Vibhishan wouldn't have done such thing!!
Dharma/Adharma...But he is the most responsible person for destruction of Ravan's Lanka. 🥱

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#174

Vibhishan should have had her executed for causing the wholesale destruction of his family - his brothers, nephews, and according to one account, even his son.

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Shivang

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Posted: 13 years ago

#175

Originally posted by: SahasranamaM

I hope Vibhishan wouldn't have done such thing!!
Dharma/Adharma...But he is the most responsible person for destruction of Ravan's Lanka. 🥱

How most responsible?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😲 Most responsible was Ravan himself and his ministers/sons misguiding him including Shurpankha.

Edited by ShivangBuch - 13 years ago

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#176

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

How most responsible?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😲 Most responsible was Ravan himself and his ministers/sons misguiding him including Shurpankha.

I actually consider Shurpanakha most responsible. I'm now forgetting whether Akampana advised Ravan to abduct Sita - he just told him about the massacre of Khar & Dushan. It was Shurpanakha who instigated Ravan to abduct Sita, and that too after lying about who started the fight she had w/ the 3 of them.

His ministers & sons were all yes men. Had Ravan hypothetically decided at any point of time that he was sick of Sita and wanted to get rid of her by returning her to Rama, they'd have supported him in that decision as well. But Shurpanakha is unlikely to have done so.

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SahasranamaM

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Posted: 13 years ago

#177

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

How most responsible?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😲 Most responsible was Ravan himself and his ministers/sons misguiding him including Shurpankha.

Sorry..!! I never meant any offense to Vibhishan and hid Dharma..!😭 What I tried to highlight was his relevance/involvement in defeating Ravana..! He being on the other side , unveiling all the strengths and weaknesses of Ravan and Lanka (With ref to Mahiravana's story, Indrajith @ Nikumbhila).

I just tried comparing him to Bhishma, Drona and others who in spite of knowing that they are on the part of Adharma, stood and fought with the Kauravas considering their Dharm to be assisting their king and kindgom at any worse condition or situation.

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#178

SahasranamaM

That's actually a good comparison, but I actually admire Vibhishan, while have a rich disdain for the likes of Bheeshma, who could have still been true to the spirit of his vow to Satyavati's father by supporting the Pandavas, who too were her descendants. Drona, Karna & Shalya I understand - Drona was indebted to Dhritarashtra, and Karna & Shalya to Duryodhan. But despite understanding where they were coming from, I still don't like or admire any of them.

Since they knew that they were fighting in the cause of adharma, they should have gotten themselves downed on day 1 itself, instead of massacring thousands of soldiers every day. They'd have fulfilled their debts, w/o doing damage to the cause of dharam. If you notice, 90% of the major warriors on the Pandava side were killed by either Drona or Ashwatthama: if Drona had been killed on day 1 by Dhriistadyumna, that would have spared most of them. Karna could have joined on day 2 and gotten killed. Within 5 days, that war could have been over w/ a more decisive Pandava victory, w/ far fewer causalities.

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Shivang

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Posted: 13 years ago

#179

Originally posted by: SahasranamaM

Sorry..!! I never meant any offense to Vibhishan and hid Dharma..!😭 What I tried to highlight was his relevance/involvement in defeating Ravana..! He being on the other side , unveiling all the strengths and weaknesses of Ravan and Lanka (With ref to Mahiravana's story, Indrajith @ Nikumbhila).

I just tried comparing him to Bhishma, Drona and others who in spite of knowing that they are on the part of Adharma, stood and fought with the Kauravas considering their Dharm to be assisting their king and kindgom at any worse condition or situation.

No no. No need to say sorry Sahatranam. It's not emotional but intellectual debate only. Yeah that's right but then he was not MOST responsible because once he was expelled and was given shelter by Shri Ram, he was duty bound to do what he did in return. So I would not even call him responsible. He was not responsible person for Lanka's destruction but was a critical success factor for Ram's army. And what did Bhishma do? He was not going to kill Pandavas and he didn't allow Karna to fight and he gave the solution of his own fall to Pandavas. What did Drona do? He realized that he was not following his duty as Brahmin and suddenly went into samadhi leaving all his real time responsibilities as commander in chief because he was not supposed to do that at all at first place being a Brahmin. Brahmin is never a servant of king but always authority over king. He became servant because he wanted to remove his poverty.

Edited by ShivangBuch - 13 years ago

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Vrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#180

Actually, by teaching the Kuru princes, there itself, Drona repaid any 'debt' he had to the Hastinapur throne. He taught them everything, and within the court, like Vidura & Bheeshma, he was an advisor to Dhritarashtra. Like Vidura declined to fight for other reasons, he, Kripa & Ashwatthama could have declined to fight on the grounds that they were Brahmins.

Bheeshma's not killing the Pandavas wasn't much good, since he did kill countless soldiers and a few major warriors, like Sveta on day 1, Satanika (Vriata's brother) on another day. Those people were not a threat to Hastinapur or him - they were just allies of the Pandavas.

Bottom line is that had Bheeshma, Drona, Kripa & Ashwatthama either stayed neutral, or fought on the Pandava side, Duryodhan would have been a lot more reluctant to wage this war. Good as he was, Karna couldn't have defeated both Bheeshma & Drona in battle - and that's not even counting Arjun, who'd then have been free to battle Jayadrath, Kritavarma and a host of other warriors.

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