Who is to be blamed for falling TRPs? - Page 5

Originally posted by: bila_a

first of all, yay im not the only one with these same kind of view points.

second of all i agree with ninjas and redviolet when it comes to arzoo ..
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tbh the show had problems from day one, it wasnt like any other 4lions show, what i mean is the typical route of the love story, which even though may be done a million times is still loved cause of its different ways to show it. but here in humsafars i gave them the benefit of the doubt and waited till ep 15 then to 24 but it got worse. early on in the eps the leads barely met and then all of sudden they started to feel for each other and then bam fell in love. the main problem is that the love story was handled poorly in my opinion. it was way to fast and too sudden, there wasnt a good built up for saaz at all, usually they dont like each other spend a lot of time together and then start to tolerate each other and so on. that whole process of slow burn is the best part of any love story because you get so invested in it but here there really wasnt any slow burn or the will they wont they, that tension, or the feeling of being on the edge of your seat/holding your breath when they are around. everything was too fast and they gave all these moments that you die waiting for quite quickly. for me atleast i couldnt connect. but it was so unlike for 4lions to do that so dont know why they did this here.

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also what makes it worse is that they gave all the important main couple scene to zaki and arzoo, like out of anything in a romance drama i've seen is that the couple that are supposed to be together should have moments like these between the two that she doesnt with the second main lead from the start to show why exactly the main couple should be together. but its the opposite here. what i mean is that zaki and arzoo shared normal conversation, zaki made arzoo laugh and feel comfortable, supported her all that kind of stuff as opposed to sahir, those little things matter so much and the cvs could have done that not in a obvious way but in a subtle way between sahir and arzoo to give their romance and love story some depth instead of just extreme passion and him saving her life or whatever.

as for arzoo, i feel like she fell for sahir to fast considering her father, and i never liked the fact she would always cry in front of sahir when ever having some conversation or should i say fighting back. also the arzoo we are seeing here i just dont really like even though i understand why she is like that but i wish she never married. but i would say i prefer her to sahir, but for a trp audience the majority being women, might not like her.

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constant negativity without any levity

butchered characters

love story poorly handled/lack of slow burn

lack of promos

also actually cvs not knowing what they are doing or where they are going with the story and characters

seemingly making zaki the main lead, and compromising on sahir

also with soaps on 1,2,3,5,6,7, with 4 i agree with some bits while not with others,

I forgot about this and moved on, when they showed the jungle scenes. I think, most of us did. (Though the realisation was not gradually built up, instead a sudden outburst as you mentioned). At least from here, Saaz journey could have started. But no. Again they brought Zaki - Arzoo story in and introduced more meanness to SAC's character. It made the viewers to get disconnected from Saaz even further.

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Rojaa,

Your post is BANG ON. Although I will make one additional point...

In their previous show ...the ML, made the FL fall from the first floor to the ground floor on her back...he just left her hand deliberately...That was really bad...unthinkable and unacceptable act...so they have pushed some limits before...

But the difference was...they showed enough things that let the audience connect to the ML ...,looked at him as a loving brother who would do anything for his sister, a guy who helped the FLs sister get married to his brother...even when she came from a very poor background...It was due to this connection, and an appreciation for the character and the love story that made the audience forgive his transgressions.. ...and even go...crazy about the show...Even to this day...many hold their earlier shows as benchmarks...

This time, they missed out on this most fundamental aspect...by making Saahir this businessman turned poet...who is not shown to value anything (not even the truth) and the audience still doesn't understand why he feels the way he feels...and they push him to the bottom of the bottom during this deal...track...by doing all the things that you described well Rojaa...None of which are acceptable or even understandable by the audience...

The only way an antihero flys is if the audience somehow connects to him...and connects with him strongly...Failing on this aspect with an actor as strong as Harshad is a real shame...

Originally posted by: Soaps1

Its' a lot of reasons not just one:

1) Lack of a love story:

This show was sold to audience as a love story ... story of two incomplete people perfect together ... from day one the focus has been on anything but the love story and SaAz ... people waited and waited and then they finally gave up! In the beginning it was full of kurti, anam and likes, later with jungle track a little focus came on SaAz but that didn't last for long ... and the whole zaki track was the final nail!

2) Change of slot:

This is a bold and intense show particularly with the way Sahir's characterization is done ... 10 pm was a better slot and when the show was at 10 pm it had similar TRPs that Ekta's show has now! 8:30 pm is not the slot for intensity and out of the box things!

3) Compromising Leads for Zaki:

Yes many people liked Zaki as a arzoo's friend, there is nothing wrong with that but even the most staunch supporters saw this as SaAz story ... they wanted to see how SaAz will come together, their love story ... I don't think anyone watching had any doubt that Sahir and Arzoo are the lead couple ... they some how attempted to butcher the leads for the sake of accommodating Zaki! Be it Sahir shown to do extreme negative things (which I am sorry but were not part of who he was from beginning, he was show to be a fair person specially when it came to arzoo, he wasnt egoistic either if he was he won't give arzoo a job after that letter) sahir was always considerate of arzoo, protected her, supported her! The attempt to turn him negative for the sake of Zaki obviously did not sit well with the audience that too without any explanation for his actions! He did it for his love for her was not made obvious either and general audience does not think as much as we do ... we get to discuss they just see what they see and it ends there!

Not just Sahir, arzoo too was butchered to accommodate Zaki ... I am extremely sorry to say this but whether it sounds regressive or whatever the way arzoo was shown accepting someone else's pregnancy, in a traumatized state sleeping on bed with a male friend when her mother and sister were around, then two days after being rejected by Sahir agreeing to marry Zaki could not and would not go well with the audience! Its' something no one can relate to! Specially sleeping in bed with a male friend in a traumatized state and not with your mother! This show is based in India not in US and UK!

Not just leads nausheen was so badly butchered as a mother for zaki ... a mother who let her daughter sleep with a guy in traumatized state ... and later was convincing her to marry zaki and talking about money ... when now she came to return the file and arzoo told sahir my mother is very self respecting and hence returned the gift ... one could just roll eyes

4) Arzoo's characterization:

Its all over the place from day one! She is projected as strong and independent woman but she comes across as immature and irrational! She talks big about self respect and dignity but does not mind staying in his house with whole family, standing in his house tells him she won't leave his house even when he asks to ... is highly unprofessional but her actions justified in the name of a strong woman ie. that resignation letter!

And now her whole transformation into money minded, more rude arzoo is not justified either! Because she was not once shown to try and get a new job ... find a house ... make atleast some effort to actually be independent! Sahir offered her to take money and leave ... fine she could not take money but despite him telling her to leave she refuses to leave his house ... that is not a strong, independent and dignified woman! Yes Sahir has done wrong with her but that does not justify her own actions! If she was suppose to be a strong, independent woman her actions should have justified that! And now after having accepted his deal, his money her acting like some queen doesn't make sense either ... yes he broke her heart but she decided to move on with zaki after that didnt she? She doesn't know report is fake! So her character is inconsistent too and her actions and behaviour make little sense in the context that she offered the deal! Another inconsistency is that from day one all her rules have been for Sahir only ... with everyone else she is so casual ... take the example for Alvira ... Alvira was the one who brought her to the house with a certain intention ... arzoo knows that yet she is fine with alvira, still hugging her for comfort?

Old arzoo was like this too ... blaming others for everything ... rude, arrogant even before he broke her heart ... so what is the difference in new arzoo?

5) Screen play and script:

Always inconsistent ... jumping from one scene to another without consistency

6) Not enough insight into Sahir's past:

I feel the story would be more interesting if they gave us insights into Sahir's past more often ... like may be his childhood ... or the kind of person he was ... or more scene of him with zeenat ... or at least some hints as to what led him to be the person he is today ... there just hasn't been enough insight!

7) Nikkah the comedy of errors:

The episode was suppose to be intense but all it did was made us laugh ... that is how senseless it was

All those people who blame fans for having defended Sahir ... well have they not themselves defended every action of arzoo? Be it her throwing phone or that absurd resignation letter that anyone would get fired for and talked about it as some kind of strength of a strong woman? When all they showed were weakness and impulsiveness! Sahir's fans in fact were the first ones to raise voice and say the character is being butchered ... be it the egg scene or what all they made him do for the sake of zaki! But yes we did defend the fact that Sahir is the lead of this show ... because most people watch it for him ... whether they hate him or love him ... there is no show without him ... precisely why we did not want him compromised for the sake of anyone else! Same goes for Arzoo ... it was wrong to compromise her for sake of Zaki!

What is the fix:

Even now if they want to fix it ... they need to bring it back to SaAz ... show a justification to why Sahir did what he did ... reason for his actions ... fix arzoo fine she is angry with sahir she has every single right to be but there is slight difference between showing anger and being immature and outright disrespectful! Like the office scene she will only loose her own respect by acting that way in front of employees! And when she did a deal specially and is now a new arzoo ... shouldn't she be ok with all this because that is what she wants now?

Even if they want it to be a thriller ... if the thrill is build around Sahir and Arzoo with love story and Sahir's past story kept intact it can work ... what the show needs is consistency!

I totally agree with someone saying it is a love story and people need to feel the leads deserve each other ... else there is no love story ... I have been saying that from day one! Most of us didn't think Arzoo deserved Sahir before the nikkah thing happened and we don't even now ... there are others who feel Sahir does not deserve Arzoo ... this way or that way loss is of the love story ... people have to feel both deserve each other! This show will be nothing if its' not SaAz so the CVs have to make them work ... they can build the thrill around them and start with the love story ... something we have been waiting for from day one ... show us how they are meant to be ... and how they deserve each other! Otherwise there is just no show ... no story ... no matter how much thrill they add it won't work!

And those who say actor and character's lines are being blurred ... please tell me what is an actor's job? An actor's job is to sell his character ... actor is not the writer is he? He is given a script and whether he/she agrees with it or not he has to enact it ... right or wrong? If Harshad has played his character with such authority and emotions that people relate to his character what is bad in that? And i have said hundred times before that being able to relate to a character is not the same as stating the character is right ... relating to it means it makes sense in the context of story and characterization! Harshad owned his character ... and made it stand out ... no matter what kind of script he was given ... he made sure majority of audience felt with his character, all the emotions that it goes through (obviously there would always be some who won't but the fact that be it this forum, be it FB, be it twitter SAC is termed the foundation of show even today tells a lot and its' not just us fans ... many new viewers too!) He is the lead of the show and he made sure that no matter how the script is, his performance justifies that

Originally posted by: prettypri

Being a part of the TRP and Indian audience whose 'mentality' is being discussed here I can say that irrespective of the ML I never related to the FL here! Add many I know who are in India and watch Indian soaps and so constitute those who would make or break the show according to this discussion have not been able to either!

Talking about defense and the reasons for it...the justification provided for most of Arzoos actions is quite hilarious to say the least...that's my POV!

Sahir was compromised heavily for a variety of reasons,,.arzoo did not need to be compromised even...her character had to grow as it was quite unfathomable from the beginning..instead they make her worse and worse till no hope of redemption remains!

No detailing...no continuity as mentioned already...story hasn't moved to the leads in time to retain tbe audience interest!

TRP audience watch for a story...and not just because the actor and actress are good looking...or even act well...so story is the biggest culprit here...if they see a story and it makes sense to them and it's entertaining they would watch irrespective...that's what earlier experiments with the hero being grey or the heroine being less than ideal have shown...that's the biggest flaw here..multiple analyses and discussions later we cannot understand where they are going with a particular track ...why would those watching on TV for entertainment not switch channels then??