Who is to be blamed for falling TRPs? - Page 3

Originally posted by: NinjasInPyjamas

Interesting post!

I have seen hundreds of times how fans blur the line between the actor and the character. 4Lions is known for signing up a famous/undeniably handsome male lead to gather up female fans who do not raise their voice against his characterization and always defend him.

And even if we say Sahir's character is quite intriguing, people should look at the mentality of the Indian audience. Anti-heroes are not widely accepted here- unlike in English shows where characters like House and Damon Salvatore are loved by the audience.

Gul Khan has a habit of not showing the complete past till the end to maintain the suspense factor, but this time it is not helping the Show in the least. We still don't know whether Zeenat was a good wife or not (KA loves her while Alvira has a different opinion of her) so how can we accept Sahir and Arzoo as humsafars when there is another musafir (traveler) with them?

And there are many other problems: no light and comic factor, less screen space for leads, romance hardly there, no progress in story and what not. Neither is she pleasing the young audience nor the TRP aunties.

Plus, SONY TV. Gosh, why would Gul even choose that channel? It has the lowest viewership!

Originally posted by: Soaps1

Its' a lot of reasons not just one:

1) Lack of a love story:

This show was sold to audience as a love story ... story of two incomplete people perfect together ... from day one the focus has been on anything but the love story and SaAz ... people waited and waited and then they finally gave up! In the beginning it was full of kurti, anam and likes, later with jungle track a little focus came on SaAz but that didn't last for long ... and the whole zaki track was the final nail!

2) Change of slot:

This is a bold and intense show particularly with the way Sahir's characterization is done ... 10 pm was a better slot and when the show was at 10 pm it had similar TRPs that Ekta's show has now! 8:30 pm is not the slot for intensity and out of the box things!

3) Compromising Leads for Zaki:

Yes many people liked Zaki as a arzoo's friend, there is nothing wrong with that but even the most staunch supporters saw this as SaAz story ... they wanted to see how SaAz will come together, their love story ... I don't think anyone watching had any doubt that Sahir and Arzoo are the lead couple ... they some how attempted to butcher the leads for the sake of accommodating Zaki! Be it Sahir shown to do extreme negative things (which I am sorry but were not part of who he was from beginning, he was show to be a fair person specially when it came to arzoo, he wasnt egoistic either if he was he won't give arzoo a job after that letter) sahir was always considerate of arzoo, protected her, supported her! The attempt to turn him negative for the sake of Zaki obviously did not sit well with the audience that too without any explanation for his actions! He did it for his love for her was not made obvious either and general audience does not think as much as we do ... we get to discuss they just see what they see and it ends there!

Not just Sahir, arzoo too was butchered to accommodate Zaki ... I am extremely sorry to say this but whether it sounds regressive or whatever the way arzoo was shown accepting someone else's pregnancy, in a traumatized state sleeping on bed with a male friend when her mother and sister were around, then two days after being rejected by Sahir agreeing to marry Zaki could not and would not go well with the audience! Its' something no one can relate to! Specially sleeping in bed with a male friend in a traumatized state and not with your mother! This show is based in India not in US and UK!

Not just leads nausheen was so badly butchered as a mother for zaki ... a mother who let her daughter sleep with a guy in traumatized state ... and later was convincing her to marry zaki and talking about money ... when now she came to return the file and arzoo told sahir my mother is very self respecting and hence returned the gift ... one could just roll eyes

4) Arzoo's characterization:

Its all over the place from day one! She is projected as strong and independent woman but she comes across as immature and irrational! She talks big about self respect and dignity but does not mind staying in his house with whole family, standing in his house tells him she won't leave his house even when he asks to ... is highly unprofessional but her actions justified in the name of a strong woman ie. that resignation letter!

And now her whole transformation into money minded, more rude arzoo is not justified either! Because she was not once shown to try and get a new job ... find a house ... make atleast some effort to actually be independent! Sahir offered her to take money and leave ... fine she could not take money but despite him telling her to leave she refuses to leave his house ... that is not a strong, independent and dignified woman! Yes Sahir has done wrong with her but that does not justify her own actions! If she was suppose to be a strong, independent woman her actions should have justified that! And now after having accepted his deal, his money her acting like some queen doesn't make sense either ... yes he broke her heart but she decided to move on with zaki after that didnt she? She doesn't know report is fake! So her character is inconsistent too and her actions and behaviour make little sense in the context that she offered the deal! Another inconsistency is that from day one all her rules have been for Sahir only ... with everyone else she is so casual ... take the example for Alvira ... Alvira was the one who brought her to the house with a certain intention ... arzoo knows that yet she is fine with alvira, still hugging her for comfort?

Old arzoo was like this too ... blaming others for everything ... rude, arrogant even before he broke her heart ... so what is the difference in new arzoo?

5) Screen play and script:

Always inconsistent ... jumping from one scene to another without consistency

6) Not enough insight into Sahir's past:

I feel the story would be more interesting if they gave us insights into Sahir's past more often ... like may be his childhood ... or the kind of person he was ... or more scene of him with zeenat ... or at least some hints as to what led him to be the person he is today ... there just hasn't been enough insight!

7) Nikkah the comedy of errors:

The episode was suppose to be intense but all it did was made us laugh ... that is how senseless it was

All those people who blame fans for having defended Sahir ... well have they not themselves defended every action of arzoo? Be it her throwing phone or that absurd resignation letter that anyone would get fired for and talked about it as some kind of strength of a strong woman? When all they showed were weakness and impulsiveness! Sahir's fans in fact were the first ones to raise voice and say the character is being butchered ... be it the egg scene or what all they made him do for the sake of zaki! But yes we did defend the fact that Sahir is the lead of this show ... because most people watch it for him ... whether they hate him or love him ... there is no show without him ... precisely why we did not want him compromised for the sake of anyone else! Same goes for Arzoo ... it was wrong to compromise her for sake of Zaki!

What is the fix:

Even now if they want to fix it ... they need to bring it back to SaAz ... show a justification to why Sahir did what he did ... reason for his actions ... fix arzoo fine she is angry with sahir she has every single right to be but there is slight difference between showing anger and being immature and outright disrespectful! Like the office scene she will only loose her own respect by acting that way in front of employees! And when she did a deal specially and is now a new arzoo ... shouldn't she be ok with all this because that is what she wants now?

Even if they want it to be a thriller ... if the thrill is build around Sahir and Arzoo with love story and Sahir's past story kept intact it can work ... what the show needs is consistency!

I totally agree with someone saying it is a love story and people need to feel the leads deserve each other ... else there is no love story ... I have been saying that from day one! Most of us didn't think Arzoo deserved Sahir before the nikkah thing happened and we don't even now ... there are others who feel Sahir does not deserve Arzoo ... this way or that way loss is of the love story ... people have to feel both deserve each other! This show will be nothing if its' not SaAz so the CVs have to make them work ... they can build the thrill around them and start with the love story ... something we have been waiting for from day one ... show us how they are meant to be ... and how they deserve each other! Otherwise there is just no show ... no story ... no matter how much thrill they add it won't work!

And those who say actor and character's lines are being blurred ... please tell me what is an actor's job? An actor's job is to sell his character ... actor is not the writer is he? He is given a script and whether he/she agrees with it or not he has to enact it ... right or wrong? If Harshad has played his character with such authority and emotions that people relate to his character what is bad in that? And i have said hundred times before that being able to relate to a character is not the same as stating the character is right ... relating to it means it makes sense in the context of story and characterization! Harshad owned his character ... and made it stand out ... no matter what kind of script he was given ... he made sure majority of audience felt with his character, all the emotions that it goes through (obviously there would always be some who won't but the fact that be it this forum, be it FB, be it twitter SAC is termed the foundation of show even today tells a lot and its' not just us fans ... many new viewers too!) He is the lead of the show and he made sure that no matter how the script is, his performance justifies that

Originally posted by: prettypri

It's not about whether females can show ego or attitude...it's simply that there was zero reason for Arzoo to be so full of herself and she has always been all talk and less action!

And the simple acknowledgment of someone else who has done good for her wouldn't mar her 'strong' personality!

And her flaws are not projected as flaws but shown as ideal traits to have,,,,even she never learns from her mistakes or says they are mistakes to herself!

And the fact that most people cannot see what change there was between old and new Arzoo says a lot!

Originally posted by: -Rojaa-

You echoed my thoughts !

I read somewhere that the makers can't figure out what's wrong with the show ? Seriously ?

The show invited it's own destruction when SAC played with Arzoo's life and feelings ( I don't but the excuses of him subconsciously being in love and he knew that nothing would happen post allergy drama )

Sahir being grey and falling in love isn't the problem here, not even his marital status. Ek made a love story of a married man and a young girl, mind you the man's wife was an ideal wife, he still fell for another girl. The show had good trp, why ? Becoz they showed it as a journey. The man tried to get her by hook and crook, the audience hated to love him, the religious background of that show didn't even allow polygamy! Why that show worked not humsafars ? Becoz EK know how to keep it balanced, knew how to make people empathize with him. She showed the entire process keeping in mind the moral values.

Just having a social background that allows polygamy doesn't make the viewers accept the nonsense that is being showed.

Ok we claim ( including myself ) that SAC loves Arzoo, ok tell me where is love ?

You risks her life making her eat the food she shouldn't, justification is you have the medicine and know nothing would happen. REALLY? Is SAC god to know nothing would happen ? You never know how our body reacts, its beyond our control.
Was that love ?

You force the girl to become your second wife (I'm aware she married him for money, but he threatened her , that's where all started) was that love ?

Now you will be living with two wives. Irrespective of his feeling, the fact remains they are indulged in a polygamous marriage. He is rightly named as the (fashion ) emperor. where is love ?

Now the Second wife who is also the female lead of the show will get jealous and possessive of her Mr Husband ? Kyu ji ? You married him knowing he has a wife na, then ? I know we have no control over our feelings, Arzoo's insecurity is bound to happen, but how can people connect with it if they don't get the actual picture of Zeenat-Sahir marriage ?

If the producer is still confused about what went wrong, darling EVERYTHING is wrong in your show. Just having the cultural background that allows polygamy doesn't justify what is being shown. And a good looking and talented actor can attract the viewers and make his character desirable, but a character isn't bigger than the story! Even the Amitab Bachchan couldn't bring the audience to watch his show, reason was simple : the concept failed.
And 4lions except HC's popularity to bring trp ? Not everyone can emphasize with the character thanks to the actor who is playing it. There are people who can differentiate with the "REEL" and the "REAL"

Even now instead of correcting their faults, they are ruining the show further. She still can't figure out how to redeem it ? Since I'm feeling generous, here are few tips :

Change the entire behind the camera team, ok if not the entire team, the direction first.

Stop playing with the leads hair and hair style. Well first of you need to decide who are the leads ! Ka-Alvira ?

Originally posted by: NinjasInPyjamas

I again disagree for the most part. In fact, the audience would have been miffed if Arzoo was shown as a chummy, "Yes Swami" wife after what Sahir has done with her. As far as I know, no clause in the deal said that Arzoo can not be rightfully pissed at Mr Husband. Perhaps you are too focused on the win-win deal to remember what Sahir did in the past: played a fake love game, put her life in danger, faked Zaki's reports and threatened to kill Arzoo's family.

In retrospect, Khushi (the female lead from IPKKND) was shown acting weirdly comical after marriage instead of being strong and steady in front of the male lead- that is when the TRPs started falling among other factors.

Arzoo has changed- just as she should. But I doubt the PH will portray this change as it should be portrayed because lately everything is going downhill.

Originally posted by: Soaps1

No i did talk about Sahir's too ... i specifically mentioned he was made to do things that were not consistent with his characterization and made to go to extremes which were never there before ...

And none of us want arzoo to be nice to Sahir or not angry with him ... i already said she has every right to be ... but she did a deal for sake of money because of what her mother and sister said to her and farah factor ... she does not have to be nice to him and should keep the distance but acting the way she did in office or the way he picked the glass does not show anger but childishness ... specially by doing the office thing she is compromising her own respect not his!