Can we give Arzoo some time? - Page 3

Very interesting post Red, and some very thought provoking responses, all expressing different perspectives ,...just the way I like it!

Originally posted by: Leesan

Very interesting post Red, and some very thought provoking responses, all expressing different perspectives ,...just the way I like it!

Of course Arzoo needs more time , she's been fooled,humiliated and rejected by the man she loves and viciously attacked by a beast of a man immediately after this heartbreak. I'm not going to dwell on the Zaki equation , while both brothers are selfish and self absorbed , this marriage dilemma is now being forced down our throats ( as well as Arzoo's?) ostensibly due to the demands of the deal ,but probably due to the time constraints of the show moving forward.

But as Sush alluded to, when is a woman's pain and distress ever treated with the same urgency and sensitivity as a man's in reel life? From the few shows I've seen, it's usually trivialized, marginalized ,glossed over in a jiffy...she's either made into a martyr or madonna , weeping copious amounts of tears in silence ,and still expected to mop it up and whip up some tasty dishes all the while looking serenely beautiful!

Meanwhile the man is usually excused as being so damaged, destroyed,in intense pain , in need of unconditional love and endless healing ! Besides he gets to do all the fun things too: throwing stuff around,kicking things down, and tasting/ eating all the food prepared especially for him!

On a more serious note, why is it always a woman's job to heal a man? And why is it Arzoo's job to heal Sahir? IMO,she needs to be responsible for her own self at this point. And ditto for Sahir. Look, if a guy I liked, reciprocated my feelings by wining and dining me,followed by a whole lot of dramatics and theatrics, all leading up to my confession of undying love ,sealed with a knot ...and then professed it was all a lie,a plot,a ploy ,a fake relationship just because???? And then ( drumroll please!) casually say btw, I'm married and have been married for ten years!!!!!! What's a girl to think, or do?

What would I do? What advice would I/we give a close friend/ relative?

Would we say don't worry,pat him on the head and try and discover his traumatic past? Put aside your own heartbreak and trauma and try and heal this married man??? Somehow I don't think so. I'd say run for the hills!!!

No matter if Arzoo may see gaping holes in Sahir's story, the fact remains he's married! Something that's an anathema to her. And he manipulated her confession of love , only to say it was all a farce, that has to be humiliating. And that has to be a huge blow and complete turn off for her and dare I say anyone else. In the real world, she would need a lot more time to recover and move on than what's being shown, and by the same token from my pov Sahir should have been well on the way to recovery after seven long years of misery( hope there's a lot more going on other than the Zeenat angle)

Love can be different things to different people. It doesn't have to fit in a set of parameters in the same way for different people. Unconditional this and undying that. Love is human because we are human. Love is subject to all the flaws and frailties of the human condition. We are not perfect, and neither is love.

I dont need much of a detailed response for this. I agree word for word. Like Sush and you said when were the emotions of men and women ever considered equal? On Indian TV never!

I was so confused when people were claiming Arzoo needs to heal Saahir after this maybe my def love and emotions does not fit there.

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Hi Red...and what gave you the idea that rules are the same for men and women in a relationship?😉

On a serious note...if both had the same deficiency in dealing with disappointment ...there will be a hole...

My guess is rush is to get the marriage done...and then sort out Arzoo's feelings...in its own sweet time...you know because once there is marriage...it is "her" problem to deal with...

Shweta...why such kolaveri di for Zaki my friend? What's so wrong in acknowledging his feelings honestly?

Silly me to even think that how can expectations be the same for men and women? Women are always meant to be the nurturing healers?

I dont think there has to be a whole Sush. One can be stronger while the other one is weaker. Right now Arzoo just went trauma maybe I am expecting too much for Saahir to be more mature of a little while at least?

Yup once she is married and committed than it is def her responsibility. She is stuck with the problem as you said. 😆 Maybe thats why CVs took thins route.

Hi red, very interesting thread this...hugs for that 🤗

Originally posted by: Leesan

Very interesting post Red, and some very thought provoking responses, all expressing different perspectives ,...just the way I like it!

Of course Arzoo needs more time , she's been fooled,humiliated and rejected by the man she loves and viciously attacked by a beast of a man immediately after this heartbreak. I'm not going to dwell on the Zaki equation , while both brothers are selfish and self absorbed , this marriage dilemma is now being forced down our throats ( as well as Arzoo's?) ostensibly due to the demands of the deal ,but probably due to the time constraints of the show moving forward.

But as Sush alluded to, when is a woman's pain and distress ever treated with the same urgency and sensitivity as a man's in reel life? From the few shows I've seen, it's usually trivialized, marginalized ,glossed over in a jiffy...she's either made into a martyr or madonna , weeping copious amounts of tears in silence ,and still expected to mop it up and whip up some tasty dishes all the while looking serenely beautiful!

Meanwhile the man is usually excused as being so damaged, destroyed,in intense pain , in need of unconditional love and endless healing ! Besides he gets to do all the fun things too: throwing stuff around,kicking things down, and tasting/ eating all the food prepared especially for him!

On a more serious note, why is it always a woman's job to heal a man? And why is it Arzoo's job to heal Sahir? IMO,she needs to be responsible for her own self at this point. And ditto for Sahir. Look, if a guy I liked, reciprocated my feelings by wining and dining me,followed by a whole lot of dramatics and theatrics, all leading up to my confession of undying love ,sealed with a knot ...and then professed it was all a lie,a plot,a ploy ,a fake relationship just because???? And then ( drumroll please!) casually say btw, I'm married and have been married for ten years!!!!!! What's a girl to think, or do?

What would I do? What advice would I/we give a close friend/ relative?

Would we say don't worry,pat him on the head and try and discover his traumatic past? Put aside your own heartbreak and trauma and try and heal this married man??? Somehow I don't think so. I'd say run for the hills!!!

No matter if Arzoo may see gaping holes in Sahir's story, the fact remains he's married! Something that's an anathema to her. And he manipulated her confession of love , only to say it was all a farce, that has to be humiliating. And that has to be a huge blow and complete turn off for her and dare I say anyone else. In the real world, she would need a lot more time to recover and move on than what's being shown, and by the same token from my pov Sahir should have been well on the way to recovery after seven long years of misery( hope there's a lot more going on other than the Zeenat angle)

Love can be different things to different people. It doesn't have to fit in a set of parameters in the same way for different people. Unconditional this and undying that. Love is human because we are human. Love is subject to all the flaws and frailties of the human condition. We are not perfect, and neither is love.

Ok my reply will be in more general terms. Abuse against women has been happening since the dawn of time, we know what happened in Africa during the wars with all the ethnic cleansing, and now with the recent events in India it has been in the forefront of media attention so no one can plead ignorance. I only have to say this as women if we don't respect ourselves and respect each other why should we expect men to honor and respect us. Indian television and the audience viewing is a perpetrator of this crime, knowingly or unknowingly we validate abuse against women by trying to justify the man. Abuse is a broad spectrum, rape being the worst crime a man can commit against a woman and from that you also have emotional abuse, it might vary in its severity but abuse is abuse. What that cab driver tried to do to Arzoo is abuse, and what Sahir did also is abuse. I am against ABUSE PERIOD. Can a man come to court and say I raped this girl because I had a troubled life so I should be forgiven or my punishment should be any less. Where do you draw the line when is a man justified in abusing a woman because he was abused himself, is it based on the severity of his crime combined with his own troubled life. What I am trying to say is in the last decade or so on Indian television there is this pattern of portraying male leads who have troubled pasts so called angry young men whose primary job is to torment the heroines in the name of luv and this is OK we cheer on these luv stories with pompoms and popcorn and most of the supporters are women ourselves. When did this ever become OK when did this become entertainment. You can justify all this saying oh it is just TV nothing is real but art imitates life, when you watch abuse on TV and romanticize it I wonder what value or impact of it does it have on you in real life.

Originally posted by: loveanime

Ok my reply will be in more general terms. Abuse against women has been happening since the dawn of time, we know what happened in Africa during the wars with all the ethnic cleansing, and now with the recent events in India it has been in the forefront of media attention so no one can plead ignorance. I only have to say this as women if we don't respect ourselves and respect each other why should we expect men to honor and respect us. Indian television and the audience viewing is a perpetrator of this crime, knowingly or unknowingly we validate abuse against women by trying to justify the man. Abuse is a broad spectrum, rape being the worst crime a man can commit against a woman and from that you also have emotional abuse, it might vary in its severity but abuse is abuse. What that cab driver tried to do to Arzoo is abuse, and what Sahir did also is abuse. I am against ABUSE PERIOD. Can a man come to court and say I raped this girl because I had a troubled life so I should be forgiven or my punishment should be any less. Where do you draw the line when is a man justified in abusing a woman because he was abused himself, is it based on the severity of his crime combined with his own troubled life. What I am trying to say is in the last decade or so on Indian television there is this pattern of portraying male leads who have troubled pasts so called angry young men whose primary job is to torment the heroines in the name of luv and this is OK we cheer on these luv stories with pompoms and popcorn and most of the supporters are women ourselves. When did this ever become OK when did this become entertainment. You can justify all this saying oh it is just TV nothing is real but art imitates life, when you watch abuse on TV and romanticize it I wonder what value or impact of it does it have on you in real life.

You deserve a 👏👏👏👏 my friend! Just because this is a love story we dont want to endorse abuse! It has become the norm of on tv so maybe people are not finding it that odd!

Originally posted by: dakshaavi

Arzoo is not sahir or zeenat . So far going by what they have showed about arzoo as a character we expect her decision and the way she handle the issue be far mature than what we see sahir doing. Sahir is for sure doing the same what zeenat did to him.

An abused turn out to be an abuser now .

Arzoo's reaction for zaki's proposal is a surprise ...she is not shocked to know what Zaki feels for her... She has discovered the truth of the man she loved and not even two days after that what she does ? Ask some time for zaki ...

is this the same girl who spoke about trust and being humsafars to sahir and doesn't want to know the exact reason for what sahir did to her or even approach alvira , not speaking about it to her mother .

Every one needs to move on in life but this is too fast for Arzoo and zaki only a opportunist ...

Poor direction or TRP KA game but the show is going down the drain ...if not for leads I would have need out of it by now.

Thnx for taking the time to respond! Arzoo is no Zeenat or Saahir for sure but she is dealing with heart break for sure. And anger is the second stage of heart break especially if one was intentionally played. Arzoo is also human and she is also allowed to have emotions inside her.

Agree about the poor directions and the speed this is going with Zaki is rather strange were headed for a quick Nigah before things settle down I guess.

I def agree with bold by the way! An abused has turned into an abuser!

Originally posted by: feminist

Hi red thankyou for the post its nice to see someone finally think with a cool mind about Arzoo I think its the CVs fault as they are attempting to show us "strong" Arzoo. I dont want Arzoo to marry any one it just doesn't make any sense. and definitely not sahir Allah knows he is married forgot sake. She must come to know about his first wife but for that she needs to ask him. I feel bad for Arzoo very much but the thing is her character isnt doing anything to gain any sympathy she knows the whole family are liars and played with her yet all she does is whine. If she wants to punish Sahir how about show him that I am not a toy really. I was expecting she would leave the entire house immediately along with her family and maybe at least now concentrate on her career because at the end of the day she is living under a man's shelter didnt she say all men are the same? hasnt she learned from her mothers mistake? Because its making her look really bad. If I had been in place of Arzoo even I wouldnt have believed a shit about Sahir but I would strictly say no to Zaki and explain him that I dont have time for all this you shouldn't mistaken my friendship for love. Those who wrote Arzoo's character should stop admiring old tv serials like Ksbkbt. I lost my admiration for Zaki and I dont sympathise with Sahir. And Arzoo I cant even relate tp her anymore. Talking big to the main guy wont make her atrong actions always speak louder than words :(

I agree with your basic point here the CVs always made Arzoo talk more like an independent strong women she didnt ALWAYs behave like one. I still have tiny bit of faith left in her. But the precap is scaring looks like she might agree to marry a married man just for the sake of his money, business, and reputation. For the grave he himself dug into she will put her entire reputation at stake. And because she is the women in the relationship and women are suppose to be programmed to abuse on Indian tv it will be her job to heal him.