Can we give Arzoo some time? - Page 2

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Red,

Sahir stopped loving Zeenat- so it doesn't matter to him how bad he is treating her. When it comes to Arzoo- everything hurts...and right now, holding hands with Zaki in her sleep and while awake...both come across as betrayal...he can even start justifying his actions seeing how fast she has gone over.

I don't blame Arzoo...she does not want to lose out on the friend she has in Zaki...because she knows good friends are hard to come by...and her understanding of love and life is still immature...but she will grow..faster than Sahir has in all of seven years..

What I expect from Arzoo is...a different way of handling disappointments...just like Nausheen reminded her...that is the real Arzoo..the fighter who doesn't give up.At one point Arzoo will realise that no matter what SAhir does to her...her feelings for him are not going to change.

This is not a game of tit for tat...that is not love...

He is in need of healing...and she is the one to heal.

She might be bitter now...but soon she is going to show him how he doesn't have to deserve her love. Love doesn't demand...it simply accepts...and heals where it has to...

Arzoo does not have to react to betrayal the way Sahir did, because that is ugly as we all can see...she can show him a different way.

About Arzoo given some time...looks like she will have to use that time to make some serious decisions, going by the montage.😉

@bold So are we in for a show where Saahir is going to be allowed to make one mistake after the other and Arzoo's only responsibility will be to heal him? Not to take a stand? Just a query?

@red Yup the CVs are not give her time to breath it seems.

Thnx for taking the time to comment though!

Originally posted by: Soaps1

When we say the zaki proposal timing was off i think we also mean to say the same that they should have given her time ... forget arzoo for a moment and think its' some other girl ... you think she would be ready to consider a proposal two days after a heart break and attempted rape? Zaki had to propose her sooner ot later ... but the way they showed it reflects badly on arzoo ... it was not even needed at this time .. to top it the way nausheen is so cool about it ... just goes on to show all she is interested in is not leaving the house and staying there

And no Sahir may have broken her heart, which is wrong very wrong but its not the same as Zeenat ... Zeenat and he were married for 3 years, lived together, slept together ... and he lived with that pain for 7 years to become what he is today ... 7 years of fighting it all alone ... so it is not same ... neither the extent of pain nor the feeling can be same

And no am not at all saying Arzoo is not heart broken and should not be sad of course she is ... of course she is in pain ... and that is why we said the whole proposal thing looked odd and mistimed

As I said the post was strictly about Saaz not what Zaki or Alvira. I agree the show as a whole is moving to fast perhaps because they want to get the nigah done on time. I would like to believe heart break is heart break it can be as bad whether its a relationship or marriage. I know people who went through it in a relationship and not marriage and took it to heart more. I also think it depends person to person now a days plenty of people are exposed to heart breaks and betrayal. Some move on easily others take more time. Here I am just asking if not years Arzoo be given some days?

Originally posted by: ultimaterudra

Hi Red ,

Lovely post ...Members who know me from RR days are aware of the fact I don't put down personal thoughts. Since you requested me to I am ...

Disclaimer : I love both Saahir and Arzoo . Liked Zaki ...today's epi put an end to it . My post is not about actors but the characters .

Zeenat : Yes, she has been in coma for seven yrs ...as viewers we have seen her mouth one dialogue ...some background info thrown at us by Alvira & Kurti . ...I am sure this sounds cruel... but is she aware she is in coma and lost seven yrs of her youth ? NO .We don't know whether she would have preferred death over being in coma ...we don't know Zeenat period .

Saahir : The guy is complicated and surely has issues which he chooses to deal by himself. We viewers don't know what Zeenat has done to Saahir ...Alvira seems to have a soft corner for her son but have we ever seen her and Saahir have a normal son / Mother conversation ? Has she sat her son down and asked him what is bothering him ? I can help , you need to talk to me ? Alvira as a mother should have discouraged Saahir chasing behind his promise made to a women he doesn't love ( All Saahir's actions and reactions to the doctor indicate there is no love lost between him and his wife ) ...but what do we see her do ? She joins hands with him to reach his goal . Saahir holding grudges against Zeenat ia allowed because he has a problem .

After the first meltdown of Saahir belting himself the director has done nothing to keep the momentum going ...for couple of weeks we see a normal Saahir then get to see self mutilation ? This makes Saahir looks crazy ...Where is the shrewd business tycoon SAC ?

Red ...Arzoo is not Zeenat nor is she Saahir ...We at least me expect more from Arzoo . We have established ( the makers think they have ) Saahir has problems but Arzoo doesn't ...the makers have shown Arzoo as a young , strong , independent girl who is level headed and smart ...if she can lie for Zaki knowing he is a flirt ...In fact Zaki admitted spending the night with Samira, and she still believes him right ? ...then she needs to step back and think why would Saahir lie ? Why is he playing this game ? Why did she not ask Zaki what bet was he talking about ? Two days in a row Zaki has vouched for his brother saying , bhai has a reason and he is not a bad guy ...today it was established that Saahir has not planned the rape ...Arzoo should have asked Zaki why did Saahir do what he did then ? Should she not tell Zaki to share the pregnancy report with Alvira and Saahir first . ...

Why is Arzoo not telling her mother about her best friend and sons deception ? Why sit and listen to Nausheen's bhashan ?

I wish the director gave Arzoo one more day to recover before this Zaki melodrama ...which made Arzoo looked bad today . Shivya's poor expression didn't help .

Zaki ...I am not sure how the makers plan to shape this character . I lost all respect for the boy today ...Why did he not go to Saahir first with the pregnancy report ? I am not wasting my time over him today

Red, the biggest flaw I see is poor direction and somewhere the team is not on the same page ...The director , script writer , editor , cameraman all are working solo and not as a team ...the makers probably have a vision but for sure the execution sucks.

Has been a long day for me excuse my errors will add few more thoughts later ...

Wow you wrote a lot! Thnx for sharing your views!

I agree we dont know Zeenat nor do we know what exactly what she has done to Saahir. We have been given hints of betrayal from his chats with her and his monologues but what she did could have been far worse it could be either way. But to me she is in a sad state not about what she is feeling but someone might melt looking at her condition and perhaps not be so mad at her?

I agree about Alvira she just is not active enough as a mother. She never diciplines or shows enough effection. She should have told him to move on instead of living in the past and carrying a promise that only reminded him of his pain everyday. In fact she should have gotten to know her son's intentions for proposing to Arzoo and seen what he was up to than as it seemed a little to soon for Saahir for making such a move. They had not announced their relationship than. She could have prevented this entire mess with a bit more guidance but she just is not a very hands on mother. But the fact is no family is perfect even Arzoo has had flaws in her upbringing. And Nausheen is not a very good role model. She too is a bad influence of a mother. Not mention the show makers always mention that Arzoo had to grow before her age.

I dont think Saahir at all has been established as a shrewd bussiness man. He took risks with an employee's life. No business man would take such a risk because they know that can destroy one's reputation completely. Again mortgaging your home, your business and everything. Bussiness men should take risks but not such dangerous ones. I don't have any sympathies for him in the deal I believe he dug his own grave there. More than a rational business mind his bussiness moves are also governed by emotion. It was all about proving Zeenat wrong and he was willing to take any risk possible.

I understand Arzoo has been shown to be somewhat emotionally stronger than Saahir. She can think rationally putting her emotions aside. But we should also consider that there is a huge age gap between them so the maturity bit is debatable. But I agree I def dont want to see her agree to Zaki's proposal. She cant be governed by her heart break the way Saahir was. Nor do I want to see her taking any revenge? But to forgive Saahir so easily? Wont that give him the message that in future he can do anything to her and she is there to heal him?

I agree with every other point you made. She should tell Nausheen? Zaki's proposal was forced in. The direction, screenplay even acting from Shivya's end is lacking I agree. A more mature actress could have garnered more sympathy.

Another thing I feel the screen play lacks is a genuine concern from Saahir. He is still shown obsessed with the deal and possesive. He has not made one attempt to comfort? Is that too much to expect?

Hi red thankyou for the post its nice to see someone finally think with a cool mind about Arzoo I think its the CVs fault as they are attempting to show us "strong" Arzoo. I dont want Arzoo to marry any one it just doesn't make any sense. and definitely not sahir Allah knows he is married forgot sake. She must come to know about his first wife but for that she needs to ask him. I feel bad for Arzoo very much but the thing is her character isnt doing anything to gain any sympathy she knows the whole family are liars and played with her yet all she does is whine. If she wants to punish Sahir how about show him that I am not a toy really. I was expecting she would leave the entire house immediately along with her family and maybe at least now concentrate on her career because at the end of the day she is living under a man's shelter didnt she say all men are the same? hasnt she learned from her mothers mistake? Because its making her look really bad. If I had been in place of Arzoo even I wouldnt have believed a shit about Sahir but I would strictly say no to Zaki and explain him that I dont have time for all this you shouldn't mistaken my friendship for love. Those who wrote Arzoo's character should stop admiring old tv serials like Ksbkbt. I lost my admiration for Zaki and I dont sympathise with Sahir. And Arzoo I cant even relate tp her anymore. Talking big to the main guy wont make her atrong actions always speak louder than words :(

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Hi Red...and what gave you the idea that rules are the same for men and women in a relationship?😉

On a serious note...if both had the same deficiency in dealing with disappointment ...there will be a hole...

My guess is rush is to get the marriage done...and then sort out Arzoo's feelings...in its own sweet time...you know because once there is marriage...it is "her" problem to deal with...

Shweta...why such kolaveri di for Zaki my friend? What's so wrong in acknowledging his feelings honestly?

Originally posted by: redviolet

Wow you wrote a lot! Thnx for sharing your views!

I agree we dont know Zeenat nor do we know what exactly what she has done to Saahir. We have been given hints of betrayal from his chats with her and his monologues but what she did could have been far worse it could be either way. But to me she is in a sad state not about what she is feeling but someone might melt looking at her condition and perhaps not be so mad at her?

Saahir is not someone like you and me ...sadly he has issues that's the reason he can't let go

I agree about Alvira she just is not active enough as a mother. She never diciplines or shows enough effection. She should have told him to move on instead of living in the past and carrying a promise that only reminded him of his pain everyday. In fact she should have gotten to know her son's intentions for proposing to Arzoo and seen what he was up to than as it seemed a little to soon for Saahir for making such a move. They had not announced their relationship than. She could have prevented this entire mess with a bit more guidance but she just is not a very hands on mother. But the fact is no family is perfect even Arzoo has had flaws in her upbringing. And Nausheen is not a very good role model. She too is a bad influence of a mother. Not mention the show makers always mention that Arzoo had to grow before her age.

Red , my problem with Alvira is ...when an action by a son affects the whole household she needs to be more proactive not a by stander Disappointed with the makers .

Nausheen don't get me started ...beats me how can a mother sit at the breakfast table with her friend who claimed the night before her sons have wronged her daughter

I dont think Saahir at all has been established as a shrewd bussiness man. He took risks with an employee's life. No business man would take such a risk because they know that can destroy one's reputation completely. Again mortgaging your home, your business and everything. Bussiness men should take risks but not such dangerous ones. I don't have any sympathies for him in the deal I believe he dug his own grave there. More than a rational business mind his bussiness moves are also governed by emotion. It was all about proving Zeenat wrong and he was willing to take any risk possible.

I agree with you here ...but then just like all is fair in love and war same applies for business . You and me may think it is wrong but not Saahir who we have agreed on has issues.The makers failed miserably to give the viewers something to hang on to justifying Saahir's actions.

I understand Arzoo has been shown to be somewhat emotionally stronger than Saahir. She can think rationally putting her emotions aside. But we should also consider that there is a huge age gap between them so the maturity bit is debatable. But I agree I def dont want to see her agree to Zaki's proposal. She cant be governed by her heart break the way Saahir was. Nor do I want to see her taking any revenge? But to forgive Saahir so easily? Wont that give him the message that in future he can do anything to her and she is there to heal him?

Where did I say she needs to forgive Saahir ...No way she should ...But she is not Saahir so her actions should make sense to a viewer ...don't want character assaination.

I agree with every other point you made. She should tell Nausheen? Zaki's proposal was forced in. The direction, screenplay even acting from Shivya's end is lacking I agree. A more mature actress could have garnered more sympathy.

Thanks...we agree on few things 😛

Another thing I feel the screen play lacks is a genuine concern from Saahir. He is still shown obsessed with the deal and possesive. He has not made one attempt to comfort? Is that too much to expect?

Nope not too much to expect ...that's has been my complain Red ...Inconsistency with Saahir's characterization when a man is shown restless all day at work because he wants to apologize to Arzoo then the CV's do a 360 showing self mutilation instead of showing Saahir feeling guilty beats me ...

Originally posted by: redviolet

@bold So are we in for a show where Saahir is going to be allowed to make one mistake after the other and Arzoo's only responsibility will be to heal him? Not to take a stand? Just a query?

@red Yup the CVs are not give her time to breath it seems.

Thnx for taking the time to comment though!

Can Arzoo take some time? That depends totally on Arzoo. Would she like to take time to digest all the events that has happened starting from the birthday celebration? She has every right to say "time out", I want to take a step back, I need time to regroup my thoughts, figure out what my priorities, commitments and obligations are. Only when I figure out, what is my next step, will I be ready to respond to anyone.
She has every right not to get bullied by Sahir's antics, pressured by Zaki's proposal or Nausheen's empty assurances. Without Dadi & Myrah by her side, she is on her own right now. If Sahir and Zaki are selfishly peristent in their quest, she too can dig her heals and not get swayed by anyone or anything till she herself is not convinced about the next course of action. Pyaar apni jageh, practicality apni jageh. How to balance these too? Arzo will live and learn about these things eventually. Experience will teach her that.

Now this is too much heavy duty logic which will take the show nowhere since creatives are not capable of showing a strong Arzoo.

Hi Red! Really good write up and a few points from my side.