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Posted: 14 years ago
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Take your time people and thanks for the replies😃
@CB: I will reply this evening
@Sarah: Hey Gurl...how are you now? "bhari bharkam" means weighty, heavy.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Awesome topic dii !!!!!👏

I can't promise u whether I can participate in discussion or not...I will try if I get gaps between exms...😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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a nice topic and all reserve

u just wait and see this forum wud close soon 🥺
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Vistaa, good topic about widow remarriage. Its true that young widows are encouraged to marry but middle aged widows are not much thought about. I too feel they have a right to live their lives happily with someone who would love them for what they are. Widow remarriage was not allowed in olden days as people thought that the widow was bad luck to the household and had taken the life of her husband and so was kept in isolation with no one to meet her, not attending any functions or taking part in any of the family gatherings as her presence would bring bad luck.

Sometimes the widows themselves don't want to get married for the sake of their children. Probably they feel that their chld may not be able to adjust to the new parent. With this thought in mind the widow mother sacrifices her happiness though the children move ahead in their lives without thinking of their mother and her sacrifice made for them.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Vista,😊
Good social topic.👏
I for one was not aware that widow's remarrying again was taboo or even actively discouraged in Indian society until recently. My background is different, widows marrying again is really upto them. I have an Aunt, who was widowed with two young children (2yrs + 6months) and she chose to not get married again. Her family on the other hand was desperate to get her married again but have now given up, her oldest is over 15 yrs and she (the Aunt) is quite settled and prefers her life as it is. But at no point did anyone discourage her to not get married again.
My only guess for the reasons people are against widows remarrying is: In India there used to be the history of suttee ( sorry if spelt wrong - wife burning) which is based on a number of things (religious/historical/custom), and it is just a step away to say widows are bad luck and so stay away from them. I'm guessing there was a lot of reason- financial and children- which also was a reason for widows to remain as they are. Many families want to keep their son's children within their family and if the mother remarried, the children will move away, same with their inheritance portions, it will be lost if the mother is remarried.
I think a myth was perpetuated to actively discourage men from marrying a widow, that she is bad luck and if you marry her it will be the death of you. It is not just the indian society, throughout history (Romans/Greeks/Celts) Widows were looked in different lights in different society, most often than not they were considered to have bad aura's and should be kept away from healthy men.
But Widows do have the right to marry and it should be their decision, no matter how old they are and how old their children are. it is the height of selfishness if an adult child disagrees and is against their widowed mother marrying again. There is a number of factor involved, finance and position and often jealousy and the desire to preserve the memory of the deceased parent. If the child is adult, they should remember that they have their own life and their mother is relegated to the background but she has a LIFE. Many will use society to keep their widowed mother in place, and say what will people say!
It is an individual choice, many asian widows prefer to remain as they are, especially the older one...many probably had unhappy or difficult marriage because it was arranged and do not want to go throught that as they have their freedom now!😃. Younger widows do get married, but it is there choice. Amongst my own extended family, I had three young widows, two of them had 2 children and the third ,one child. The two young women with two children remained as widows, their choice both saying they prefer their life as it is, while the third did get married and went on to have more children. At no time did anyone discourage them or say 'why on earth should you get married again'. I think also, within my community, once a girl gets widowed she is deemed to be her families responsibility again and it is her parents/brothers/sisters desire to see her settled again. This is however unspoken, the three widows above, all have very good relationships with their in-laws, visit them constantly one even lives with them whenever she goes abroad to see them, but nevertheless their birth family took precedence once their husband died.
Its not all bad though, doesn't indian society also encourage Deeyarvattu? a widow marrying her brother in law?...yes, again its because of finance and inheritance reason. Also many families want to keep the children with them.
My two cents.😃
Dreamy
Edited by Dreamygal301 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Great responses Gauri, and Dreamy...yes...there is such a lot of history and tradition behind this aspect of Indian/asian society...and not all of it is good!

Will write in detail later😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hello CB, Laxmi, Gauri, Dreamy, Jessie, Sarah, Sharan and Neha🤗
Thanks for liking the topic😊
CB, Gauri and Dreamy👏...you guys have covered most of the points that I had in mind.
CB, who can forget the white clad, head shaven ostracized widows as shown in some of the Hindi films and DD tv serials? And the phrase "woh toh apne pati ko kha gayee"😡 that seemed to be staple in all widow related scenes...made my blood boil😡 I think it goes back to the deeply ingrained idea that woman represents fertility/life and if her husband dies, then she is somehow not kosher, there is something wrong with her and thus should be shunned. As you said D, that she has a bad aura.
Along with Ishwar Chand Vidyasagar, Raja Ram Mohan Roy and Swami Dayanand among others, did a lot to rid the Indian society of these ideas...but in some areas of the country, they still persist.
The practise of Sati, strangely enough originated with something that was called "jauhar" ...where the queens and wives of warriors would give themselves to mass pyres, in a bid to save their honour from the enemy armies!!...later on, it took the form of the wife of any man killed being asked to kill herself by sitting on his burning pyre...the idea being that once he is gone, her life has ended too.
But even though Sati doesn't exist anymore, the widowed life in some of the rural areas of India may still be jusst a tad better.
Also, IMHO, the idea of "marriage for life" also has a lot to do with it. I have come to realise this only when I moved to US and saw the easy acceptance of multiple marriages in a person's lifetime. It actually is the rule rather than the exception here. Most people I know/work with have at least been married twice, some even thrice or more. Step-parents and step-children are the norm...when I first filled DD school registration form, I almost did a double-take when I saw it had separate space for Mother's and Father's address, and the question who does the child live with?😲
The point being, that when society expects you to have more than one life partner (not concurrently of course😆) over the course of one's life, then the idea that one should remarry doesn't seem so far-fetched at all.
But in India and I am sure in other neighbouring countries too, remarriage or second marriage is not the norm...it is an exception. In the most of the middle-aged/older widows, it is never even on the table...never even comes under discussion...I saw that with both my grandmothers, who survived their husbands by a good ten years.
The other big factor is the issue of individualism and sense of self: back in India, women were brought up to think that they come last, it is the husband, the house and the children who take precedence over everything else. They were taught to seek their happiness and fulfillment in the happiness and achievements of their children and husband. So when a man dies leaving behind a widow and children, the widow does not think of herself...the well being of her children becomes the greatest factor and she refuses to even consider marriage in the fear that the step dad may not treat her kids right. So her happiness and needs go on the back burner and she devotes her life to bringing up her kids, as Gauri and D said.
As with you D and CB, I too have a very close and dear person who had to go through this experience...she was widowed very young, yet chose to remain unmarried for the rest of her life, jsut for the sake of her three children.
And you are right D...inheritance concerns and other factors were responsible for practice of the widow of one brother being forced to marry the other brother. Amrita Pritam wrote a beautiful story on this custom and it was made into a movie starring Hema Malini and Rishi Kapoor.
But as with everything, I think this too will change in the days and years to come.
Hopefully. At least to the extent, that widows have the option to remarry, if they so wish. It is their choice and not something directed by societal expectations.
Edited by Vistaa - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hi vistaa hows u

see that is the point

even after the law was passed the widows themselves then had the choice to marry or not and that also young widows like bahuji types..

the middle aged with kids didnt even think nor did anyone think about them

but its not the case with male gender here.
the widowers regardless of age or kids they do remarry without thinking of social talks etc
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Posted: 14 years ago
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True CB...as far as men are concerned, it is sab chalta hai...rather, if there are young kids involved, they even have the excuse that they are remarrying for the them...because the kids need a mother😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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yes but then if u look at other side they dont think the child needs father too.

what is it they say gender discrimination mayb

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