Trying to understand ITV

couchyC thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#1
Okay, so the reason, I started watching the show was cause I really saw the potential in the story. It was interesting and maybe, if this concept was on some medium other than ITV, like as web series or something, it probably could have been formed into a beautiful and deep love story or just simply a good story to actually learn something from.
But it being ITV, no matter how fresh and promising a concept they try to bring in the beginning, they have the tendency to go back to their same old ways whose foundation, probably Ekta Kapoor laid. Now, I wasn't expecting something great of course but just something decent and watchable. And, 'basic' logic is of the prime requirement for that, I believe.

Now, sticking to this show and ignoring many other loopholes; the recent track where AJ snatches the MS from Guddan's neck, what really happened there? Maybe I missed something or I don't know, but here, he was teaching her how to make that cake and then probably, Durga just tells him about the conversation of Guddan and Rawat and then, cut to next frame, he just snatches her MS from her neck! Like, he just believed Durga and didn't even bother to confront and ask Guddan about it? It could have been some misunderstanding. He was behaving like, he had caught Guddan cheating on him with someone, after they had fallen and confessed their love.
And then, 'after snatching the MS', when he does ask to answer in a yes or no, he doesn't want to hear anything else? And the way he says, you don't deserve this MS! Does he think, it's a privilege for someone to be wearing a MS of his name? His attitude around Guddan is always like, he's doing her some favor. He does think highly of himself and I sense narcissism in him. I know, all ITV male leads suffer from ego issues but, AJ is plain narcissistic. Although, he's improved much, his character in the beginning episodes completely gave the narcissistic disorder vibes.

Anyway, Rawat blackmailed Guddan with her father, no? So, she didn't have any option. She not for once, believed Rawat. None of this was her fault. She couldn't tell him about Rawat, because he definitely wouldn't have believed her and when she tried, he fell asleep. Can't she just tell him all of that? Or just one line that, Rawat blackmailed her, that's why she came back in the house rather than feeling guilty and apologizing to him.

I understand, one can't sit and analyse and reason everything while watching ITV but I think as audience, investing our time, we deserve basic logic, otherwise, it just all feels like a different/alternate world (to me, at least). I believe, audience needs to be respected this much at least and not taken for granted, that they'll just watch anything without questioning. So, it does feel disappointing.

Now, my main aim of this post was to try and understand how ITV works. I'm not really complaining. I understand, they make what sells. If they're getting good TRPs without logic, why make efforts to think and go through all the pain required to produce good content. Plus, Indian TV series are not finite or fixed. So, one can't really expect quality in a daily running show which isn't finite.

But, what's the need of this unnecessary idiotic family drama? And this, mera mangalsutra, mera suhag nonsense? I thought, Guddan was supposed to be this free spirited 20 year old girl with no care in the world. Why is she suddenly so much attached and concerned about a MS? Actually, she was concerned about it during the house theft too. But, why? What meaning does it hold for her?

And infact, exactly when, did she get so attached to this family, a family in which except Dadi, no one really cares for her or most importantly, makes her feel loved and wanted. Why she wants to stay in this family when she can just go back to her own house, her family whom she loved the most. At least, in her house, there are 2 people who love her the most in the world for who she is, respect her and trust her. I mean, doesn't make sense. The thing is, they never even once showed Rawat being the reason for her to continue to stay. She just wanted to stay out of her own will cause she just grew fond and so attached to the new 'family' in just a few days. She's never even being shown missing her old life. It can't happen in real life at all, forget with a 20/21 year old girl like her.

So, this isn't justified because I don't think, target audience of this show was specifically housewives who can relate to the mera mangalsutra, mera pati drama. Infact, I'm sure, not even they can relate(majority), it's just unrealistic. Except the fact, that Guddan is a 20 year old becoming a saas, I don't think, the concept would appeal or be realistic to the housewives about whom I don't know why, ITV thinks, that they love all this idiotic, unrealistic mera MS, mera suhag drama. Emotional family drama? Maybe. But, how can 'anybody' relate to the, mangalsutra, sindoor drama in real life? I can be sure about the fact, that even if they eliminate this unnecessary focus on mangalsutra, sindoor and likes, they'll not lose any audience (might end up gaining some tho). So, this I don't understand that why so much unnecessary focus is being given on showing the FL as 'homely' in every show even when your major audience is probably young and won't be much interested in that.

Television does has the strength to influence masses, one needs to be a bit careful and thoughtful while projecting the characters and the story.

Phew, it was long! Thanks everyone who went through it all.
Edited by couchyC - 6 years ago

Created

Last reply

Replies

13

Views

1.5k

Users

8

Likes

21

Frequent Posters

captainplus thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 365 Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 6 years ago
#2
Hello TM ! actually i was kind of expecting a topic from you today & BINGO !

About MS issue, there have been many discussions & majority of us agree upon something to a certain extent & feel both of our leads are justified in their respective actions.

But since this issue or calling our beloved ML a "plain narcissistic" isn't your main aim. SO lets come to the main aim of the post i.e. to try and understand how ITV works.

You have answered your own query :-

I understand, they make what sells. If they're getting good TRPs without logic, why make efforts to think and go through all the pain required to produce good content. Plus, Indian TV series are not finite or fixed. So, one can't really expect quality in a daily running show which isn't finite.

About this,

I understand, one can't sit and analyse and reason everything while watching ITV but I think as audience, investing our time, we deserve basic logic, otherwise, it just all feels like a different/alternate world (to me, at least). I believe, audience needs to be respected this much at least and not taken for granted, that they'll just watch anything without questioning. So, it does feel disappointing.

Well now entertainment medium isn't restricted to ITV only. Those who like would watch it, those who don't are free to move on. Remote is on everyone's own hand none of the makers are forcing anyone at gun point to watch their product.
& If anyone is finding it too unbearable & feels something needs to be done than I am sure, there is a complain board there for that too.
+ one is always free to write blogs in much more relevant social media sites.

Seems like this isn't the only place where you have tried to understand how ITV works,










seems like you still quite didn't get the desired answer yet.
Anyways I would actually like to know under what subject does this thesis of "trying to understand ITV" falls.
sumatra1234 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 6 years ago
#3
See I have a special relationship with this series. Reminds me of my love story. With one difference, my marriage was for love. If there is something that I do not really like in this series I ignore.
I have the same problem with Hindi drama. Beginning of drama is always what has attracted in the first place to watch the series, in later episodes become too dramatically and without any logic. This is the main reason I always somehow stop to watch them in the middle.
This is one of the things, I do not like. Their dissatisfaction I expressed before. I overwrite this to the mentality and the way in which someone is brought up. For example, in my country if something like that husband did do, the wife would have left the minute. In my country divorce is normal thing, or if the husband and wife can not be more together, so it ok signatures divorce papers, and you're free.
The situation here is bad from the beginning, and this is a series, so that such things pass as a normal thing.
Frankly I can not understand why Guddan wants to be in this marriage. Yes AJ behaves as if it Guddan privileged to be married with him.
I really and not see a lot of privileges which she won in this marriage.
At the beginning AJ do not care for her, even before the wedding.
This forum only sees the good qualities of character in the series, the bad qualities nobody see that.
After all AJ at the very beginning tried to blackmail Guddan to marry him. And using her sister as bait. People with honor and honesty would never do something like that.
See I agree with you to some extent that Guddan did not have the opportunity to choose a husband. But after the wedding she had so many opportunities to leave the villa but she do not leave. AJ does not want to listen Guddan about whole situation regarding Rawat.
He is angry and disappointed, but come on, it's been a long time it is time to give her a chance to tell his side of the story. For me it is ok to be angry but now already gone too far.Trust. He has no trust in Guddan at all, one reason is that he not expect from her that she can do the anyting right.
Remote is on everyone's own hand none of the makers are forcing anyone at gun point to watch their drama. Are you going to watch a series that's everyone's choice.
But somehow I agree with you that they might have to pay more attention on what are displayed on TV and what messages they sent.
In this series of attempted murder goes without punishment.
Try to rape girl goes with beatings. From my point of view this is not acceptable.
These are of serious things, they need to start taking care of it all.

Edited by sumatra1234 - 6 years ago
couchyC thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#4

Originally posted by: captainplus

Hello TM ! actually i was kind of expecting a topic from you today & BINGO !

About MS issue, there have been many discussions & majority of us agree upon something to a certain extent & feel both of our leads are justified in their respective actions.

But since this issue or calling our beloved ML a "plain narcissistic" isn't your main aim. SO lets come to the main aim of the post i.e. to try and understand how ITV works.

You have answered your own query :-

I understand, they make what sells. If they're getting good TRPs without logic, why make efforts to think and go through all the pain required to produce good content. Plus, Indian TV series are not finite or fixed. So, one can't really expect quality in a daily running show which isn't finite.

About this,

I understand, one can't sit and analyse and reason everything while watching ITV but I think as audience, investing our time, we deserve basic logic, otherwise, it just all feels like a different/alternate world (to me, at least). I believe, audience needs to be respected this much at least and not taken for granted, that they'll just watch anything without questioning. So, it does feel disappointing.

Well now entertainment medium isn't restricted to ITV only. Those who like would watch it, those who don't are free to move on. Remote is on everyone's own hand none of the makers are forcing anyone at gun point to watch their product.
& If anyone is finding it too unbearable & feels something needs to be done than I am sure, there is a complain board there for that too.
+ one is always free to write blogs in much more relevant social media sites.

Seems like this isn't the only place where you have tried to understand how ITV works,










seems like you still quite didn't get the desired answer yet.
Anyways I would actually like to know under what subject does this thesis of "trying to understand ITV" falls.


And, I was sure, you'll be the first one to reply and BINGO!

@green While I did answer that one question myself, I also wrote:

(But, what's the need of this unnecessary idiotic family drama? And this, mera mangalsutra, mera suhag nonsense? I thought, Guddan was supposed to be this free spirited 20 year old girl with no care in the world. Why is she suddenly so much attached and concerned about a MS? Actually, she was concerned about it during the house theft too. But, why? What meaning does it hold for her?

And infact, exactly when, did she get so attached to this family, a family in which except Dadi, no one really cares for her or most importantly, makes her feel loved and wanted. Why she wants to stay in this family when she can just go back to her own house, her family whom she loved the most. At least, in her house, there are 2 people who love her the most in the world for who she is, respect her and trust her. I mean, doesn't make sense. The thing is, they never even once showed Rawat being the reason for her to continue to stay. She just wanted to stay out of her own will cause she just grew fond and so attached to the new 'family' in just a few days. She's never even being shown missing her old life. It can't happen in real life at all, forget with a 20/21 year old girl like her.

So, this isn't justified because I don't think, target audience of this show was specifically housewives who can relate to the mera mangalsutra, mera pati drama. Infact, I'm sure, not even they can relate(majority), it's just unrealistic. Except the fact, that Guddan is a 20 year old becoming a saas, I don't think, the concept would appeal or be realistic to the housewives about whom I don't know why, ITV thinks, that they love all this idiotic, unrealistic mera MS, mera suhag drama. Emotional family drama? Maybe. But, how can 'anybody' relate to the, mangalsutra, sindoor drama in real life? I can be sure about the fact, that even if they eliminate this unnecessary focus on mangalsutra, sindoor and likes, they'll not lose any audience (might end up gaining some tho). So, this I don't understand that why so much unnecessary focus is being given on showing the FL as 'homely' in every show even when your major audience is probably young and won't be much interested in that.)

which was the major part of my post.

@Red Well indeed, consider it a thesis or a paper on, 'Impact of ITV on society'. And, India forums is a great place along with other platforms, to know people's views about it.
And, even if someone's not writing a thesis, it's an open forum where people are free to post their views, opinions, feedback, etc. regarding the show. And, opinions and feedbacks, unfortunately, aren't always positive. I asked the question which did focus on ITV as a whole but it was completely with respect to the show, GTNHP.

And, thanks for checking my other posts as well, or maybe, you're on all these forums, I don't know. But, it's not about getting a 'desired' answer as there's no one objective answer which can actually explain it. It's about knowing different people's views and their explanation and take on how they see it.

Also, sorry for calling your beloved ML, 'narcissistic' but factually and by definition of narcissism, a major part of his character as shown till now, does accurately comply to the definition of narcissism.

I hope, I have satisfied you.
Edited by couchyC - 6 years ago
couchyC thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#5

Originally posted by: sumatra1234

See I have a special relationship with this series. Reminds me of my love story. With one difference, my marriage was for love. If there is something that I do not really like in this series I ignore.

I have the same problem with Hindi drama. Beginning of drama is always what has attracted in the first place to watch the series, in later episodes become too dramatically and without any logic. This is the main reason I always somehow stop to watch them in the middle.
This is one of the things, I do not like. Their dissatisfaction I expressed before. I overwrite this to the mentality and the way in which someone is brought up. For example, in my country if something like that husband did do, the wife would have left the minute. In my country divorce is normal thing, or if the husband and wife can not be more together, so it ok signatures divorce papers, and you're free.
The situation here is bad from the beginning, and this is a series, so that such things pass as a normal thing.
Frankly I can not understand why Guddan wants to be in this marriage. Yes AJ behaves as if it Guddan privileged to be married with him.
I really and not see a lot of privileges which she won in this marriage.
At the beginning AJ do not care for her, even before the wedding.
This forum only sees the good qualities of character in the series, the bad qualities nobody see that.
After all AJ at the very beginning tried to blackmail Guddan to marry him. And using her sister as bait. People with honor and honesty would never do something like that.
See I agree with you to some extent that Guddan did not have the opportunity to choose a husband. But after the wedding she had so many opportunities to leave the villa but she do not leave. AJ does not want to listen Guddan about whole situation regarding Rawat.
He is angry and disappointed, but come on, it's been a long time it is time to give her a chance to tell his side of the story. For me it is ok to be angry but now already gone too far.Trust. He has no trust in Guddan at all, one reason is that he not expect from her that she can do the anyting right.
Remote is on everyone's own hand none of the makers are forcing anyone at gun point to watch their drama. Are you going to watch a series that's everyone's choice.
But somehow I agree with you that they might have to pay more attention on what are displayed on TV and what messages they sent.
In this series of attempted murder goes without punishment.
Try to rape girl goes with beatings. From my point of view this is not acceptable.
These are of serious things, they need to start taking care of it all.


@Red Of course, nobody's forcing anyone. Neither did I ever say that. Although technically, now people do have to buy subscription for channels, so, if they bought a subscription to a pack of channels for a TV show/shows as the show/shows looked promising but later on, got diverted from the track and didn't show anything of what was promised, it is kind of cheating.
But that's not the point and I wasn't talking with respect to GTNHP, just generally. The point is, what they show, it more or less does influence the masses in some ways.

About GTNHP, If I bothered to write such a long post about a single show, it means, I still think, it has potential, but as you talked about, there are many loopholes and lack of logic.

Initially, I ignored AJ's character. I didn't mind it. I liked some parts of it, I still do. But, now eventually, some major flaws in his character cannot be ignored. Yes, he indeed blackmailed Guddan to marry him, even if, he did let her go after she ran away, but initially, he did blackmail a 20 year old girl, whose half his age into marrying him in exchange of saving her sister from 'one of his family members', when he should have just like any decent man, taught Perv a lesson and saved her sister from his relative without any condition.
And yes, he's worked hard to reach where he is today but that doesn't mean, he can act entitled all the time and expect everybody to succumb to his wants, his way of life and his rules.

Many people face unfortunate events in their life, but that's not a justification to behave as you want. Even after 15 years of his late wife's death, he's so immersed in his own grief that he's almost unbothered about other's wishes and desires(eg: his sons and DILs).

Also, the snatching of MS wasn't cool. It can be considered an almost physical assault. Honestly, a ruthless, egoistic and an angry young type of a man might look good and feel romantic on screen or in novels, but it's hard to be with one in real practical life (for me, at least).

Having said that, there are obviously some shades of his character, I like. And, those shades and parts of his character have and are been discussed on this forum numerous times. But every action and behavior of someone can't be always justified by saying, "he's got a good heart".
About Guddan, I find her character inconsistent and many a times unexplainable as you talked about.
Edited by couchyC - 6 years ago
JustRandomGirl thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#6
This is what I exactly wanted to say, that if this show would have been a finite series, it would have had such a beautiful story. I don't blame the makers for showing unecessary tracks cause if not they have nothing much to show. This show was a finite series material. (This is the first non- finite show I have been so attached to)
I also hated AJ's character in the starting but the change in his character later on was so good. I loved how he used to stand for Guddan, but last 3 weeks he is back to his rude avatar, and I don't likd that

couchyC thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#7

Originally posted by: randomfancrics

This is what I exactly wanted to say, that if this show would have been a finite series, it would have had such a beautiful story. I don't blame the makers for showing unecessary tracks cause if not they have nothing much to show. This show was a finite series material. (This is the first non- finite show I have been so attached to)
I also hated AJ's character in the starting but the change in his character later on was so good. I loved how he used to stand for Guddan, but last 3 weeks he is back to his rude avatar, and I don't likd that


Yes, and I heard in some segment...I guess, when they completed 100 episodes, that they wish and plan to take the series till 1000 episodes. Well, I hope not. I really hope not.
Edited by couchyC - 6 years ago
JustRandomGirl thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#8

Originally posted by: couchyC


Yes, and I heard in some segment...I guess, when they completed 100 episodes, that they wish and plan to take the series till 1000 episodes. Well, I hope not. I really hope not.



I think they meant they want the show to have good trps always, thats how it will get 1000 episodes lol. I dont think this show will be that long. The trps arent that good but isn't a bad one either, can be considered good but not so good for 1000 episodes. I predict this show will be running for 200-350 episodes, I think this show can survive for a year, but not more than 2 years. I think that's good in a way. It's better to die a hero than living to see yourself as a villain
couchyC thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#9

Originally posted by: randomfancrics



I think they meant they want the show to have good trps always, thats how it will get 1000 episodes lol. I dont think this show will be that long. The trps arent that good but isn't a bad one either, can be considered good but not so good for 1000 episodes. I predict this show will be running for 200-350 episodes, I think this show can survive for a year, but not more than 2 years. I think that's good in a way. It's better to die a hero than living to see yourself as a villain


I know, the show won't reach 1000 episodes xD. I meant, they'll be ready to drag the show till 1000 episodes also if they get consistent TRPs. But then, that's the aim of every Indian TV show, to elongate it as much as possible.
1154991 thumbnail
Posted: 6 years ago
#10
One is free to express their opinion so yeah welcome 😃

Okay your philosophy has great depth and is true too i.e. Serials fetching /to fetch a long run can't just give a big jump to please the audience straighforward .


Except that AJ being Narcissist , I agree to the rest of the theory anyway
Edited by DivyankaTD - 6 years ago

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".