GHKPM WU & Episode daily discussion thread #116 DT P. 61 - Page 87

I am sure Satya will stop if he comes to know that Sai is uncomfortable. He seems to be sensible that way. A nice observation about Sai also. 👍🏼

Originally posted by: austen-eliot

Considering all this debate on touch, Satya and Sai, I had this thought.. Some have said it works both ways.. if Sai doesn't want to be touched she should also not touch Satya etc.. And that she didn't stop him from beginning when they were colleagues and later also, in the start of the marriage. If you think about it Sai has started feeling uncomfortable with the touches that upar se seem casual since Satya started developing feelings for Sai.. I guess it has translated itself in the way he touches her and a woman always knows.. Sai somehow gets the undercurrents and that's what is making her uncomfortable. She hasn't anything concrete to call him out on but she senses the change and wants to put a stop. But is hesitant bcz she doesn't want to embarrass herself and Satya if there is nothing in it. That's why her talking to him about it also comes across as half-hearted. Satya on the other hand knows the change within himself, and the reason why he is finding opportunities to touch her, so his doing it is wrong when he knows there's nothing from Sai's side and the terms of the marriage haven't changed. Even if we say he is a good guy and when he knows Sai is uncomfortable he will stop, his doing it now is still wrong.

That is what I was wondering too might be there is a difference in touch too which only a women can understand

Originally posted by: KaalaCoat

Again… Hypocrisy thy name is Ghum fandom. But seriously, I think my problem with SaiRat fandom was once the lengths they went to or problematic statements they stayed silent about for the sake of their couple.

Exactly this.. The silence..

There is nothing wrong in Sai being uncomfortable with Satya's touch but then she need to maintain her boundaries to..She was fine a day ago getting close to him for games sake not being uncomfortable but infact being friendly and now she has issue when he touches holds her hand without permission, things are fine when she holds his hands without his permission.. there has to be a proper storytelling..

Having said that Satya is very wrong when he is trying to touch her out of romantic reasons..I did not like him moving her hair..That was creepy.. Friendship k naam par it cannot be justified.

I don't see SaiYa fans being okay with Satya touching Sai(many have called it out, many want Sai to explicitly leave because she is being cold to Adhikaris who have been good to her and her daughter mostly she has been respected far more than her whole stay at Chavans in these 10-15 days) the way fans were fine with Virat mistreating her after Shruti track, because Sai Bai was in love, because Sai Bai was feeling attraction for the first time, because Sai Bai was falling for her husband.. Everything was fine because Sai Bai wanted it..It's like being fine with it all because a victim wants to be loved and abused by her abuser..

Also again coming to content precisely the fandom all of them, even me, let it all go in the name of the "love" Virat has for Sai when he tried to kiss Sai, asking her to close her eyes, expecting a gift..

She trusted him stood there, expecting a gift, when he leaned to kiss her without her knowing about it..

It was all abt, oh it's wrong but for the jodi sake we can ignore it..i was one of them too

Now that i see that scene, i feel so violated for a young Sai, what if Pakhi did not come, will Sai would have been fine with it given Virat kept stopping Pakhi from letting Sia know what was happening here...

Originally posted by: nutmeg7

I am sure Satya will stop if he comes to know that Sai is uncomfortable. He seems to be sensible that way. A nice observation about Sai also. 👍🏼

Hmm...the way they have shown Sai-Satya resolving issues, this will also get solved. Satya will respect that line once he knows the effect of his advances.

Originally posted by: LoveAyeshaVirat

Thank you dear for sharing this, now ppl can finally clear their misconceptions nd understand the difference between touch of whom she loved nd touch of whom she doesn't love nd have any feelings beyond just being a frnd thus feeling uncomfortable

P. S. This above vm of SaiRat proves everything in regards to intentions of Virat, bcoz Virat never ever touched her with wrong intentions, always their proximity was on mutual consent😌😊so comparing his touch with the Dr. Is lame nd illogical, though I agree Dr. Intention wasn't to make uncomfortable but ignoring the reaction of her aftermath is definitely wrong on his part,he just breaking rules of their marriage in his own flow without her consent

Thanks for sharing my friend, it was a really great video of our sairat and the bond they shared and can never be compared to the one with sayta, no matter how much they try, even with their offscreen bts lol

Ghum ke precap pe bharosa na Karne ka lesson aaj kam aya

Originally posted by: Moor278

This is partly because

They didn't show any happy moments between SaiRat throughout their married life and especially after their remarriage. Not in the magnitude to justify the eternal love V Sai are supposed to have.

That's why the makers have to resort to creating new Flashbacks to justify those now. 🤪

All it had was repeated track after track after track of high intensity emotional drama where Sai was crying and V was problematic. All this to justify and keep one character relevant.

The audience has only seen this since about a year or so... all they think of is V harassing Sai one way or another.

What the makers didn't show and we are supposed to assume is that SaiRat also had a loving relationship in between. Sai accepted P as surrogate and was supposedly her happiest with V in that phase... The few glimpses are to suffice. Just because we didn't see it (as audience) doesn't mean Sai didn't get it.

Saavi is the proof of it. She wouldn't be here if Sai had not recovered mentally and emotionally after her miscarriage and surrogacy debacle. (This is not my interpretation... it is what the doctor had told Sai).

V is a problematic character since long (we all are aware of the reasons) ... and all everyone talks about is what he has done wrong. Even bringing up the first marriage which happened around episode 50. To people who have joined recently all they hear/read is this treatment of Sai by V and Chavans. Which is why the opinion and emotions are so high.

That's not the case for old viewers... neutral audiences and those who have been associated for long know that Sai is not entirely right all the time and the issues between them had contribution from both .. though she is always better sorted than V. Almost always.

On the other hand, the makers will give what gives them numbers. And I don't believe they will change the ML after 800+ episodes just because the audience wants a new guy for Sai.

This demand has happening since ages... what made a difference now?

And even if they have brought someone new... my personal expectations were something like what you and me wrote for Sai.

A guy and his family like Arjun and Sumit (Sahil from Sherrys OS too)

I don't see Satya like them 😕 even though this makes me Satya hater 😒

Well said, you can't just form an opinion with seeing the whole picture and we know that when sai makes a decision out of heist there is consequence

Originally posted by: Enola

Ghum ke precap pe bharosa na Karne ka lesson aaj kam aya

Originally posted by: badgarlriri

Consent isn't a competition

In present time there have been numerous examples of Virat touching hugging Sai and Sai feelings disgusted by it

Consent isn't a one time free pass

Because by that logic Sai was ok with flirting and going near Satya few episodes back

But that's not how this works

Consent is not a one-time event; it is a continuous conversation that requires active and ongoing participation from all parties involved

Sai right now is as uncomfortable with Virat as she is with Satya

Not is, was, nd thats Not uncomfortableness That was irritation bcz he was doing which doesn't want him to do,

P. S. Virat se utna hi uncomfortable feel karti toh, initiate thodi karti har baar, he is there person she loves nd haan regarding Dr., I've already said comparison hi nai hai dhono ka, yet I agree Dr. Intentions wasn't wrong but as my favorite said woman can easily decipher the touch nd undercurrents so yeah that might be a case with him, we'll see ahead what's the Actual matter

Here I rest my case, period ✌

Originally posted by: Moor278

I have been refraining myself from commenting in the EDT... but had to butt in after reading this!!!

So now just because Sai is rejecting advances from Satya he should force himself like V???? Is that what you want for a female character????

No one justifies V's harmful abusive behaviour that borders on physical violence (not talking about mental harassment since the comparison at this point is between V and Satya and Satya hasn't done anything like that).

So limiting to the physical abuse aspect.... why should Satya fall to V's levels???? if V is so wrong that he gets bashed in every alternate Comment why would anyone want Satya to be like him?

What kind of weird manifestation this is???? Even as a joke????

Didn't knew all this was allowed in the name of humour😳

Also... what happens to consent now????

Sai maybe okay with Satyas touch few days/months/years down the line(like she was with V) ... at this point she is not... at this point she is uncomfortable... at this point she is not ready for that kind of intimacy....

How and why is she wrong?????

Moreover Sai and Satya had clarified the terms... he was witness to V's outburst that led to Sai asking him to marry.... she confessed on the wedding night that she is not happy... he knows why she asked him to marry.

After all this Satya is the one changing the rules or expecting a change in dynamics without even asking for Sais consent.

How is Sai at fault???

He genuinely seems like a good fellow... but it's not the behaviour expected out of him .

Even in arranged marriages in India... men and especially sensible educated men don't do this.... they understand and respect boundaries and consent.

This is so not done!!!!!

Not even as a joke.

When P was called names... it led to huge outrage... how is Satya behaving differently if he is expecting more from the original set of conditions?????

Bold 1:

Glad to know that no one on this forum has ever justified domestic abuse by saying that it is fiction and/or that it is illogical to call Virat an abuser.

Saiya marriage was conditioned to be a loveless and sexless marriage so that she could escape Virat's stalking (which is a violation of Sai's consent), and Satya has kept that end of the bargain. He hasn't imposed his feelings on her in any way however fast or unrealistic they may seem.

Touching her in a friendly way is not a romantic gesture, and it isn't even uncommon in their dynamic since the beginning. He should be able to gauge her discomfort even so. And she should be able to establish her boundaries with him when he's awake, like anytime before he's lulling on his bed. To be clear, he is wrong here but he isn't touching her with any ill-intent. They have been long friends and have been touching each other and establish boundaries since the beginning. Why Sai is getting hyperaware of his touches now is another thing.

Saiya marriage was not preconditioned to be a marriage where Sai can do PDA towards Virat and can befool Satya and his entire family that she wants to get away from Virat.

Lavender marriages i.e namesake marriages protect both the partners socially even if they love other people privately. It is still a marriage and has some boundaries. Saiya marriage is not a lie, and Sai is not a paying guest. Sai doesn't go around saying Satya is my husband just to protect herself like Virat used to call Shruti his wife despite being married to someone else. Satya is legally, socially and actually her husband. Emotional cheating is far worse than physical infidelity. She doesn't have to love Satya or even be comfortable with his touch.

Anyone joking about this matter or speaking about Satya violating Sai's consent without any self-awareness are both equally wrong

But she won't be excused for romanticising abuse now especially after marrying someone else with the premise of getting away from the said abuser either.

It is not that deep.