Manhandling & sorry - Page 10

Originally posted by: janecastle

Yes empowerment do have more deeper meanings. And a number of movies do show that. So I will say that there is a balance in it.

@bold- All these boil down to personal choices. There are no set rules about what is cool and what is not. Different people perceive it in different ways and that is an individual choice. Not every girl want to be slim or hot. Just like not every boy think that smoking or drinking is cool. All of these are personal preferences.

@red- All these are generalizations. Not everyone act or think this way.

When we talk about society arent we talking in general always?

Yes there are smart people who dont fall in these specific....in these fixed roles. From whatever conversation we had till now i believe you are one of those smart people and if you don't have any problem then i would like to include myself in that too😆 but majority of them strive to become perfect in the most cliche manner set by society. Thats the bitter truth.

Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

I have explained my pov in another post about the choice of women to be like whatever they want to be. But i am repeating it again here, yes its women's choice if they want to adopt all wrong practices. They shouldn't be sl*t shamed for it because men do it all the time and nobody questions them.

My problem is why these kind of roles, depictions are promoted and portrayed as women empowering roles. Why they just cant termed it as normal entertaining movie with women as lead characters. So its the very producers, the actors who spread this misconception because they want to cash in on feminism.

And what women really wants it should depend on their choice, their preference not based on any kind of prejudiced or comparison. But the truth is that most women wants to do all that what men do, not because they want it, but because they want to be "as cool as men".what kind of empowerment or choice is it when you define your preferences based on men's conception, men's standards of cool and uncool.

For example slim girl is considered hot by men in society. So girls try to become size zero.nobody likes to diet, nobody likes to wear uncomfortable short tight clothes but because they have to pass the gold test of hotness set by men, they do all that unpleasant things which they dont like and the terrible thing is they dont even realize it they are living their life upto men's set of rules. Its the men who decided that thin girl is superior than the fat one and women followed the rule blindly. They even went step ahead to mock fellow women who are not as per men's beauty standards.

This is another topic what is considered as Beauty - (colour shape and the extras) in a woman in general defined by society not just defined by men alone. It would be a different topic and would like to discuss it some other time.

Any woman can smoke, drink, have multiple partners if they really want it for their satisfaction but the truth is that most, almost all of them do that just live upto that image of "cool, happening, daring girl" which is again a men made image.

We have to agree to disagree here. This is not college where we do things because we will be considered cool. You are generalising the woman folks here and the age range is from early teens to women in forties. Most woman want to have the freedom to decide. It’s not just about drinking or having multiple partners. It’s much more than that. In a typical India society father decides when you are young and husband decides when you marry and the son decides when you are old! This is the majority. This is changing now for the past decade. Any change comes with adverse effects. But hopefully things will change for better for my grand daughter and she doesn’t have to sacrifice her career for her husband and will be given equal priority. Will not be judged for having girls night out. Giving priority to her own self first won’t be called selfish.

To summarize, i will say that for women to make concious choice, they have to free themselves from the misconceptions spread in the society by men.

I would say misconceptions spread by patriarchal society not just by men here😊

My answers in blue😊

The point is do not disrespect my achievements/ choices / options / oppurtunities/ rights / contributions just cause I am a girl.

Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

Pardon but i have explained my pov about that statement in many posts now. So kindly refer to that. I am tired now, i wont be answering or explaining one thing again and again😆

Sorry, no hard feelings, i hope you understand, peace out.

@ Bold I understand..

I just have issues with equating the two concepts(Chauvinism and Feminism) and not the ill effects that both concepts are leading the society towards.. Aftereffects of these movements/concepts are mostly dependent on how they are perceived, which is mostly negative and overblown generally. Thats what has happened with Feminism as well.

No hard feelings for sure...and also I was not fighting to peace out.. We were always at Peace, from my end at least.😆

Originally posted by: Dvanshi123

The point is do not disrespect my achievements/ choices / options / oppurtunities/ rights / contributions just cause I am a girl.

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It’s kind of a Haiku poem 😊. You summarised all the posts ❤️

Originally posted by: Dvanshi123

Being there done that.

Its heartbreaking when teenagers are required to grow up coz their circumstances demand .

All kids / teenagers should enjoy their time .

Aage chalke burden toh waise hi aana hai

Life is not so fair with everyone sadly someone people has to grow before their age coz of circumstances but they actually turned out into a very mature individual.

Originally posted by: Dvanshi123

Being there done that.

Its heartbreaking when teenagers are required to grow up coz their circumstances demand .

All kids / teenagers should enjoy their time .

Aage chalke burden toh waise hi aana hai

Teenage is actually a beautiful time.. You are growing into an adult, witnessing feel good hormones.. learning to be independent and yet being watched over by the parent and hence a bit carefree.... One does not deserve to miss that ..

Originally posted by: KBBofRCIBC

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It’s kind of a Haiku poem 😊. You summarised all the posts ❤️

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Thank you

Originally posted by: Bechain_Bulbul

When we talk about society arent we talking in general always?

Yes there are smart people who dont fall in these specific....in these fixed roles. From whatever conversation we had till now i believe you are one of those smart people and if you don't have any problem then i would like to include myself in that too😆 but majority of them strive to become perfect in the most cliche manner set by society. Thats the bitter truth.

It is not about being smart, it is about right and wrong. And yes, there would be many who want to meet the so-called perfect criteria set by the society. They are unfortunately conditioned that way. Anyways, this conversation has gone way out of topic. So let's stop it and don't derail the TM's original post. 😆

Originally posted by: Dvanshi123

See the fact is women face more.

Got to do in the society we live in.

Struggling with man handling & abuse but cant go anywhere coz there is no financial support & infact there families dont support as well.

So in a day or two all this will end & sayi will go running to Virat.

The general public will feel it's ok.Ghar se nikal diya , abuse kar diya but it's okay when the word sorry drops in.

Tv represents society.

It's time progressive content is shown.

I agree completely. At the same time I feel that they are showing progressive content too.. Sai didn't cave in to virats sorries . She and aayi have brought up all valid points as to why sai is so hurt. She aspires to become a doctor / financially independent with/without anybodys support. Isn't that progressive ? She never said I am a bahu now so I will drop everything. Infact she is shown to handle her responsibilities as a bahu and her education both. Isn't that.progressive ? She doesn't take anybodys insult due to her mahanta or keep family peace. She gives it back to them with interest. It would have def encouraged a lot of women out there to raise their voices against verbal and mental abuse. At the same.time.not feel apologetic .

As far as her forgiving virat is concerned , it will be her choice . And a woman being able to choose is empowerment .... Her parents or in laws or society won't be pressuring her.

@ bold . That's where empowering women comes . It's very imp to be financially independent ..that's a major step to tackle abuse and manhandling.. .... Family support is a personal issue..many don't but therr are many who do.... We cant generalize there..I havent seen a single character in ghum who discouraged sai or called her out except the chavans. The neighbours , her college friends , village people , aayi , mohit, pulkit , devi ..everyone supports her. Also she listens to everyone but does what she feels right.. there can't be a more ideal woman imo.