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Posted: 4 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: AnjuRish

Thanks for the post Janaki

I usually read your post to decide if I must watch the episode or not.

I agree with what KBB says above

There is no way Virat can redeem himself

All this toxic relationship behaviour is one of the reasons I do not watch much of TV

I can't take it ..it just makes me sad upset and we watch for entertainment no point it it makes u sad.


This was the show I got hooked to after around six seven years...but felt today it wasn't worth it....even if mr.virat chavan asks for forgiveness it will be to gain a license to demean Sai in future...trust once broken can't be regained ...it's like mirror which will still show the cracks though the pieces have been stuck together... Sairat my heartfelt condolences...only Sai is there, no Virat...beyond forgiveness😭😭

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Rahiman Dhaga Prem Ka

Matt Todo Chhitkai

Toote Se Phir Naa Jurre

Jurre Gaanth Padh Jaaye

Toote Se Phir Naa Jurre

Jurre Gaanth Padh Jaaye

Aisi Bani Boliye Mann Ka Paap Hove

Auran Ko Shital Kare, Aaphu Shital Hove

Auran Ko Shital Kare, Aaphu Shital Hove




I was actually thinking of this ... when I thought of my observations

Sayi was right when she said for others it’s an enjoyable game to destroy virat ka home

but ninaad participating in destroying his son’s home ..

Kaku has made her daughter mad why will she care a hoot about virat Mohit or samrat .. ..

Pakhi life has been caged to this life .. she will enjoy inflicting misery on the one who has snatched her happiness



Karishma , Sonali , omi they obviously don’t wave virat house to get settled with 2 well qualified people .. with better earning opportunities so they will do everything to destroy the nest


it was a sad episode.. sayi and ashwini both were not in a frame of mind to fight in the matter but the vultures .. sayi was right by calling them gidd did not want to leave the prey



they had smelled blood and were baying for it .. I am glad virat showed his dirty side infront of all .. rather than doing it in private.. ashwini can see how wrong she was in putting expectations from sayi ..

Usha mausi can see how foolish she was to tie sayi with such a man .. I am glad she told him you are doing wrong .. but virat had the gall to tell her to not interfere


both ninad and virat are cut from the same cloth .. they can destroy their wives pride .. I don’t understand why is even ashwini staying on in this marriage ..sayi should definitely leave before she gets further entrenched in this mess ..

but will she ... there are so many virat’s out there in this world .. he is so god d... n real .. I see them all around .. who behave in the most deploring way with their wives infront of their family ..

Maybe inside the room they are perfectly contrite .. and most of the times their wives forgive them and continue with this mess ..

Because a known devil is better than an unknown one .. what guarantee that the next person we let in our lives will be some Devta ..



I hope for his sake ... virat makes amends .. he’s young and his married life has just started .... he does need to set the same example like his dad to his kids ..


Sayi needs to calm down too .. and start eating out .. in college no point waiting for home cooked food .. when she gets migraines without food .. so she didn’t eat in pulkit house she should have eaten in the restaurant and come back home ..



Janaki sayi once called virat Jagtap 2.0 ... now how is virat different from jagtap .. yes jagtap had a criminal mindset and most probably was a drug addict .. but the intention to subjugate sayi .. and keep as his .. is their in both men ... Vithal mane was right .. when he said since the first day .. you had eyes on sayi and wanted to keep her as yours

Would sayi lot had been any different if she had not been saved at the mandap by virat .. there are other wedding we see in serials where the bride is forcefully married of to the hero and conventionally attractive .. just because they showed jagtap as drug pusher ..so we say virat saved her .. but how is the domestic abuse any less ..though I agree sexual abuse is not there mercifullly ..

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Posted: 4 years ago
#33

Well...todays episode was bad... Really bad one.

And being a crazy virat supporter today I also have nothing to say in his defence. What he did was wrong by every Definition of law, morality, humanity etc.

Hate you cvs for making him do this shit.😡

Copy aur inspire hone mein bahut bada difference hai. Cvs ye bhul chuke hain. When I read synopsis of KD I knew there were many problematic sequences and I prayed cvs wont copy those things and by nice execution of that danda scene they do give me hope but again by copying this no food scene as it is they quashed my hopes. Cvs only use creativity in virakhi scenes. They are murdering virat's character.

I am here only for virat and they are doing injustice to his character. Hate cvs for this. May cvs rot in hell🤢

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Posted: 4 years ago
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I guess it would take a lot of skill and creativity to write Virat's character differently from Rono? Yes he is confused, angry, maybe egoistic too...these are flaws. But weaving a reaction without cruelty, does require sensitivity. Honestly, I can only picture these CVs celebrating with cake as the trps have touched 3.. second week in a row.


This is the chance they have to really show a mirror to many men and women in our society who are victims or perpetrators of such abuse.

Like I was thrilled when Sai threatened Virat with an FIR the day before.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: FortunaMajor

I think one fact that we all as viewers can agree on is that Sai is strong and one of a kind FL especially for ITV standards.

If we were to look at it as a law it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that ITV law of

'the amount of assertiveness FL exercises isinversely proprtional to the insults' has been altered to directly proportional.

The reason this show is topping the charts is of course the drama but it is also an indication that the outspoken and oftentimes imperfect FL has been accepted too. But looks like the bolder the FL and larger the abuse needs to be.

Now here is what happens in a lot of shows one of the leads is ultimately butchered at the cost of the other however I don't think that's the case here I think this is how Virat was meant to be from the beginning. I feel that this love story may have had a few heartwarming moments in the beginning and might have a few more in the future but ultimately its a dark one without explicitly claiming so.

ITV has had and still has its fair share of Mills and boon variant of 'Angry young man' but Virat is not one them because at least with the AYMs you know what to expect and probably stick around only for the chemistry.

Virat's characterisation is so real which is why he cannot be labelled or boxed under a category. There might be million fantasies that women harbour abour their husband or life partner based on their needs, beliefs and even fictional influences but unfortunately most men out there are like Virat they may be good on certain levels of the ethical meter but are shaped by patriarchal norms which has only worked in their favour and normalised entitlement. Do such men change and become better? Do they learn? Do they reflect and empathise? May be some do and some don't. But in most cases half a lifetime is done away with before such a realization happens. Some change with every mistake if they are reflective enough, some change when they become parents themselves and some never do. This is the plight of 90% married women in our country where the success and peaceful functioning of the marriage depends on how compliant the wife is!

I am glad at the outrage these episodes and Virat's behaviour is causing in the forum. It's nice to know that we can all call the ML's bull shit despite liking the show, wanting to see the leads together and still agree to the fact toxicity is not acceptable no matter what! It makes me so proud to read the discussions and be a part of a fandom that doesn't defend or sugar coat undeservingly🤗

On the other hand Sai's plight is heartbreaking and downright scary, virat instead of addressing the "Mein aaj bhi akeli hoon" has actually gone ahead and amplified it with a live demonstration. Yesterday he spoke about how if she was the last susheel shanth ladki remaining that he had been dying to marry her, but has this guy paused to think what exactly Sai's expectations of a husband might have been? Nope. He has placed so many expectations on her I am not even talking about love and care but about the expectation to adjust to his family's primitive thinking, his Vahini's taunts and interference, exerting herself with chores while pursuing competitive degree etc. In return what he has given her is bare minimum such as fighting for her education and her right to eat and today he has taken away even the bare minimum.


I completely agree with you and I am replying first to this post because this is exactly what I wrote a couple of days back during the Alta episode when everyone said his character was being butchered. I really do not think it is the butchering of the character ... It is the revealing of his character. We have seen him too good to be true and his flaw has to be more than just being emotionally sensitive and ever ready to sacrifice himself.


@bold: I totally agree with it and it is so perfectly put that I cannot even begin to tell you how each word is exactly what I want to say.

He is of course also a human being and he cannot be perfect. What was the 'grey' in him that we saw until the Amey track followed by the Aniket outburst and then the Alta episode? Nothing. Being in love or having a heartbreak or telling a woman that he is only a name-sake husband is not really a "grey".

The grey starts now -- it is now that he has finally come to a point where there is something at "stake" for him and he does not want to be the self-sacrificing one -- he cannot be. It is out of his control. He has finally got a "Thing" and I am consciously using the word "thing" because he is yet to realise that it is a 'person with feelings and a heart'-- exactly what he didn't like to hear when she said that to Amey --he has got a "thing" that is his -- it has always been his even when he did not know. He has been drawn to Sai right from the word go -- but she is not really 'the one' he ever imagined she would be. His picture perfect wife -- who would also appease his family -- is "Patralekha", unche ghar ki padhi likhi sundar susheel shahannav kuli maratha khandaan wali who would have Kaku's approval, who would not need him to get involved in confrontations that he has never been accustomed to handling.

But now, he has fallen in love with this woman who is unlike him despite being the one his soul seeks -- she is confrontational and that is his biggest fear: confrontations. To add to it, she is also rebellious and puts up this decent facade of being indifferent to him when she's actually not. She pushes him to take stands, which he would never take unless it is an absolute visible erosion of justice. He is helpless because he knows he cannot let her go. But he doesn't know how to handle this -- he knows there can never be a middle ground with an unbending family on one side and a woman, who will pick up every piece of her self-respect and simply walk away.

He NEVER imagained that he would have to wage a war against his family to have her with him all the time. He doesn't want to -- that is why the reluctance. He knows that if he doesn't cover this zillat arena of the house with a sheen of "peace", she will leave one way or the other -- no matter how porus the sheen will be. He thinks getting her to bend is a better option than to rebel against the family -- because he thinks he can "acche se manao" her after any kind of confrontations since she is easy to manao as compared to the family. It is a typical husband behaviour of a man high on his sense of entitlement: You are mine, I can tell you things in public to diffuse situations and we will make up in private because that is where I also give you the best side of me that no one else except you has... His urge to get into "main bol raha hoon" controlling moments with her is to prove the point to the family -- she is my wife and under my control so you can trust me and leave her (us) alone. He wants to establish it as a normal. But unfortunately, Sai will not take his orders blindly and he is unable to show the family that he is in "control". It totally makes him go wild because "Sai samajhti nahi hai". And now, at a make or break point, he is desperate -- so everything is fair in love and war. There can be only one more thing he can do at this point which will be even worse than what he did today in his attempt to exercise his control -- actually two (hate me for saying this) -- actual physical abuse or the forceful consummation of marriage. To me, after today, anything else that he does is going always be on Point 2 or lower of his transgressions because his behaviour today will remain on Point 1 of his transgressions, for a long, long time. Because, I still believe immensely in the goodness that he has -- his conscience will awaken, he will repent and he better do. And I trust that he will not cross over to the two remaining things that I mentioned. Virat cannot.

So to me, telling her to leave the house -- which we all know is coming -- is not even going to be a "sin" on his part anymore. It will, infact, be the much needed step for both of them. A couple needs space to reconcile and rework on their relationship. While he gets his space away from the family, it is Sai who is constantly subjected to the negativity and it will be a breath of fresh air for her to move away from him and reevaluate his position and place in her life and heart. And of couse her absence will bring him face to face with the filth that lies under the glittering chandeliers of the mansion his family is so conceited about-- and also he.

He cannot let her go, not for any kind of zimmedari humbug but for his own self-- call it his "haqq" that he feels he has on her. It was so strong that it took him barely a few days to override even Kamal Joshi's right to access her -- there are minor build ups to the story that we have been told. Kamal Joshi trusted him completely and it was a reassurance he had that his "haqq" on her was unchallenged. Now I don't want to use the word "control" -- because he did not even have any intention behind it. It was so inexplicable that none of us can even describe it beyond the word "connection" --- which is also uttered by him when he had to just disguise and visit her in the safe house. Was that milkman attire part of his zimmedari? No. Was it not a break from his character as a straight-faced ACP? We did not see it as a break because when things are rosy we enjoy these moments as romantic -- we see it from the perspective of what the hero wants to do for the heroine. We do not see it as abnormal because it does not involve any "wrong" on the face of it. We do not question it.

But now, the "haqq" is no longer inexplicable. He married her because of his fear of losing connection with her more than the pressure from the vaada or the villagers. He could not explain to her why he wanted to marry her. It was not love but it was a connection that he felt only with her -- it was so strong that it overpowered his emotion that he actually called "first love" with Patralekha. It was Sai who reminded him, prodded him about what he would do to mollify or explain to "Pakhi" about his decision to marry her. Again, he had no answers. He chose the 'umeed mat rakhna' as a way to remind himself that he cannot actually turn this "haqq" into a tangible one-- of a husband and wife. I do not think it was as much for the loyalty to his vaada to Pakhi as for his own sense of satisfaction that he was being 'honest'.

But now th "haqq" has a definition -- Main Pati hoon tumhara. And it comes with the automatic "umeed"-- that is manifested in his awareness that he is "doing things for her" , maine tumhare liye bohat kuch kiya hai, tumse shaadi maine ki, maine tumhe Jagtap se bachaya (khajoor pe bhi atkaya), maine tumhe hifazat di, maine tumhara admission karaya, maine tumhe paise diye...

Is this umeed manipulative? No. It is natural. It is something that no one can control. So, a couple of days back when Nitu (@yyy) posted about their deal and we were discussing, I also mentioned they were both foolish to think that they would be able to have any control over the emotions that are involuntary -- she thought she would continue to be indifferent and not fall in love with him. She failed. He thought he would be okay with her indifference and not fall in love with her. He has failed. The deal has been invalidated a long time back.

And Sai is aware of it. That is why she told him clearly:

You want to break the deal by exercising your husband rights? So, I will also break the deal by demanding your husband duties.

Now the issue of male entitlement is so complex. There is no man on this planet who doesn't have a sense of entitlement on the woman in his life. I want to generalise that in my loudest voice. The entire world suffers this patriarchal trait of men -- they all deem they are entitled to complete control over the women and yes, 90% of the women are caught in a situation where the male entitlement is accompanied by rigid, unbending, remorseless abuse of some kind and the entire onus of the functioning of the marriage is based on the compliance the woman offers to what the husband wants.

So the "haqq" and the "umeed" in this sense manifest itself in the form of his need to have her to adhere to his notion of his "life partner" because that is how he wants her -- as a life partner. It has been that way since the moment he married her. He never meant to let her go and she never meant to leave either. Even in their eye contact today, they saw they were evidently hurting each other but their resentment in that moment for each other was so palpable, so strong that neither of them wanted to be the one to let go...

I don't know what about his apology that will come will make Sai melt -- will it be her knowledge that despite all his transgressions and flaws, he is the only one who really also cares about her (which he does, let's face it) and he's indeed repenting his action. Or will she forgive him because she has also has reached that point where she has begun to believe that he can be 'loved' even in his ugliest moments? Because, ultimately, as viewers, we can only judge. It is these two characters who are going to make their decisions based on what their heart wants.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepthi2014


This was the show I got hooked to after around six seven years...but felt today it wasn't worth it....even if mr.virat chavan asks for forgiveness it will be to gain a license to demean Sai in future...trust once broken can't be regained ...it's like mirror which will still show the cracks though the pieces have been stuck together... Sairat my heartfelt condolences...only Sai is there, no Virat...beyond forgiveness😭😭

Me too, after many year, now I didn’t watch today’s episode. Done with watching. Will hang out in the forum for a little bit though

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Originally posted by: jankiraghav


I completely agree with you and I am replying first to this post because this is exactly what I wrote a couple of days back during the Alta episode when everyone said his character was being butchered. I really do not think it is the butchering of the character ... It is the revealing of his character. We have seen him too good to be true and his flaw has to be more than just being emotionally sensitive and ever ready to sacrifice himself.


@bold: I totally agree with it and it is so perfectly put that I cannot even begin to tell you how each word is exactly what I want to say.

He is of course also a human being and he cannot be perfect. What was the 'grey' in him that we saw until the Amey track followed by the Aniket outburst and then the Alta episode? Nothing. Being in love or having a heartbreak or telling a woman that he is only a name-sake husband is not really a "grey".

The grey starts now -- it is now that he has finally come to a point where there is something at "stake" for him and he does not want to be the self-sacrificing one -- he cannot be. It is out of his control. He has finally got a "Thing" and I am consciously using the word "thing" because he is yet to realise that it is a 'person with feelings and a heart'-- exactly what he didn't like to hear when she said that to Amey --he has got a "thing" that is his -- it has always been his even when he did not know. He has been drawn to Sai right from the word go -- but she is not really 'the one' he ever imagined she would be. His picture perfect wife -- who would also appease his family -- is "Patralekha", unche ghar ki padhi likhi sundar susheel shahannav kuli maratha khandaan wali who would have Kaku's approval, who would not need him to get involved in confrontations that he has never been accustomed to handling.

But now, he has fallen in love with this woman who is unlike him despite being the one his soul seeks -- she is confrontational and that is his biggest fear: confrontations. To add to it, she is also rebellious and puts up this decent facade of being indifferent to him when she's actually not. She pushes him to take stands, which he would never take unless it is an absolute visible erosion of justice. He is helpless because he knows he cannot let her go. But he doesn't know how to handle this -- he knows there can never be a middle ground with an unbending family on one side and a woman, who will pick up every piece of her self-respect and simply walk away.

He NEVER imagained that he would have to wage a war against his family to have her with him all the time. He doesn't want to -- that is why the reluctance. He knows that if he doesn't cover this zillat arena of the house with a sheen of "peace", she will leave one way or the other -- no matter how porus the sheen will be. He thinks getting her to bend is a better option than to rebel against the family -- because he thinks he can "acche se manao" her after any kind of confrontations since she is easy to manao as compared to the family. It is a typical husband behaviour of a man high on his sense of entitlement: You are mine, I can tell you things in public to diffuse situations and we will make up in private because that is where I also give you the best side of me that no one else except you has... His urge to get into "main bol raha hoon" controlling moments with her is to prove the point to the family -- she is my wife and under my control so you can trust me and leave her (us) alone. He wants to establish it as a normal. But unfortunately, Sai will not take his orders blindly and he is unable to show the family that he is in "control". It totally makes him go wild because "Sai samajhti nahi hai". And now, at a make or break point, he is desperate -- so everything is fair in love and war. There can be only one more thing he can do at this point which will be even worse than what he did today in his attempt to exercise his control -- actually two (hate me for saying this) -- actual physical abuse or the forceful consummation of marriage. To me, after today, anything else that he does is going always be on Point 2 or lower of his transgressions because his behaviour today will remain on Point 1 of his transgressions, for a long, long time. Because, I still believe immensely in the goodness that he has -- his conscience will awaken, he will repent and he better do. And I trust that he will not cross over to the two remaining things that I mentioned. Virat cannot.

So to me, telling her to leave the house -- which we all know is coming -- is not even going to be a "sin" on his part anymore. It will, infact, be the much needed step for both of them. A couple needs space to reconcile and rework on their relationship. While he gets his space away from the family, it is Sai who is constantly subjected to the negativity and it will be a breath of fresh air for her to move away from him and reevaluate his position and place in her life and heart. And of couse her absence will bring him face to face with the filth that lies under the glittering chandeliers of the mansion his family is so conceited about-- and also he.

He cannot let her go, not for any kind of zimmedari humbug but for his own self-- call it his "haqq" that he feels he has on her. It was so strong that it took him barely a few days to override even Kamal Joshi's right to access her -- there are minor build ups to the story that we have been told. Kamal Joshi trusted him completely and it was a reassurance he had that his "haqq" on her was unchallenged. Now I don't want to use the word "control" -- because he did not even have any intention behind it. It was so inexplicable that none of us can even describe it beyond the word "connection" --- which is also uttered by him when he had to just disguise and visit her in the safe house. Was that milkman attire part of his zimmedari? No. Was it not a break from his character as a straight-faced ACP? We did not see it as a break because when things are rosy we enjoy these moments as romantic -- we see it from the perspective of what the hero wants to do for the heroine. We do not see it as abnormal because it does not involve any "wrong" on the face of it. We do not question it.

But now, the "haqq" is no longer inexplicable. He married her because of his fear of losing connection with her more than the pressure from the vaada or the villagers. He could not explain to her why he wanted to marry her. It was not love but it was a connection that he felt only with her -- it was so strong that it overpowered his emotion that he actually called "first love" with Patralekha. It was Sai who reminded him, prodded him about what he would do to mollify or explain to "Pakhi" about his decision to marry her. Again, he had no answers. He chose the 'umeed mat rakhna' as a way to remind himself that he cannot actually turn this "haqq" into a tangible one-- of a husband and wife. I do not think it was as much for the loyalty to his vaada to Pakhi as for his own sense of satisfaction that he was being 'honest'.

But now th "haqq" has a definition -- Main Pati hoon tumhara. And it comes with the automatic "umeed"-- that is manifested in his awareness that he is "doing things for her" , maine tumhare liye bohat kuch kiya hai, tumse shaadi maine ki, maine tumhe Jagtap se bachaya (khajoor pe bhi atkaya), maine tumhe hifazat di, maine tumhara admission karaya, maine tumhe paise diye...

Is this umeed manipulative? No. It is natural. It is something that no one can control. So, a couple of days back when Nitu (@yyy) posted about their deal and we were discussing, I also mentioned they were both foolish to think that they would be able to have any control over the emotions that are involuntary -- she thought she would continue to be indifferent and not fall in love with him. She failed. He thought he would be okay with her indifference and not fall in love with her. He has failed. The deal has been invalidated a long time back.

And Sai is aware of it. That is why she told him clearly:

You want to break the deal by exercising your husband rights? So, I will also break the deal by demanding your husband duties.

Now the issue of male entitlement is so complex. There is no man on this planet who doesn't have a sense of entitlement on the woman in his life. I want to generalise that in my loudest voice. The entire world suffers this patriarchal trait of men -- they all deem they are entitled to complete control over the women and yes, 90% of the women are caught in a situation where the male entitlement is accompanied by rigid, unbending, remorseless abuse of some kind and the entire onus of the functioning of the marriage is based on the compliance the woman offers to what the husband wants.

So the "haqq" and the "umeed" in this sense manifest itself in the form of his need to have her to adhere to his notion of his "life partner" because that is how he wants her -- as a life partner. It has been that way since the moment he married her. He never meant to let her go and she never meant to leave either. Even in their eye contact today, they saw they were evidently hurting each other but their resentment in that moment for each other was so palpable, so strong that neither of them wanted to be the one to let go...

I don't know what about his apology that will come will make Sai melt -- will it be her knowledge that despite all his transgressions and flaws, he is the only one who really also cares about her (which he does, let's face it) and he's indeed repenting his action. Or will she forgive him because she has also has reached that point where she has begun to believe that he can be 'loved' even in his ugliest moments? Because, ultimately, as viewers, we can only judge. It is these two characters who are going to make their decisions based on what their heart wants.


Fabulous Janki👏.

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Originally posted by: jane_austen

I was afraid that the show would come to this irredeemable point. Janki ,you once explained how Virat was more relatable than the ML of KD. Perhaps KD's ML was more consistent with the ugly Virat we are seeing now. Result of mixing up characterizations? Now Virat's softness in the earlier episodes seems shallow and even manipulative.

I have a nagging question that I'm not able to digest. This show was written by a woman. How can a woman of all people, write such a plot of domestic violence and project it as love story? (I heard in KD, it gets worse and worse). I cannot understand the psychology of such women.


I still believe he is a better version of the story that has been told thrice. No matter how dejected I am in him today, I believe he has inherent goodness in him which will make his conscience prick when he sobers up from his fury. I am not sure what he can do to repair this but no damage is irreparable -- it is a couple's prerogative. It totally depends on Sai to forgive him or not. We are viewers called to judge their actions but it is a story someone else is telling their story. I don't want to compare the other two versions because although I did do it in the beginning, it robbed me of the viewers' experience and I decided to view this story as independent of the other two and trust me, it has helped me relate with this character more. I could not relate to either of the other two versions but i can still relate to Virat.

Virat's softness in the earlier episodes was only one aspect of his character. How could it be a whole? Yes, he fought for Sai but for matters that were directly connected to his own conviction and beliefs We are now seeing the other side- where he has to accept some beliefs that she holds just like he wants her to accept his. That blending of the mismatched part will always have friction.

Coming to it being written by a woman (although I don't think it's only a woman but yes, the concept is a woman's) -- why not?! This is the reality that 85% of women face. Even the best of families could have such issues. No marriage is picture-perfect and no spouse is. I think the fact that this story is written by a woman is why it is so in your face with what a woman faces in marriage to even the seemingly perfect man. He is still not malicious. He still means no harm. His denial of food is still not coming from malafide intention to humiliate but to "discipline" her in his mind. He does not think he is humiliating her because he thinks he has the right to control her and her behaviour has brought humiliation to him. He is desperate to get that control which she is resisting. It is his flaw.

I agree that the family drama is over the top and exaggerated to fit in the characteristics of the entertainment genre but there are millions of families - again I say, even the best ones - where there will be some hang-ups or the other. Many of us may not be directly affected by it but we may definitely know some who are -- and I also know that there are many even here, who are affected in one way or the other.

Had this story been written by a man, I think we would have still been swooning over Virat even in this present day because there would have been ways found to make him loveable even in this action. But the fact that today, not even the neutral viewers or fans of the Virat character are able to defend him means it is written by a woman. Only a woman can actually tell and feel the pain of another woman. That is my pov.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav


I completely agree with you and I am replying first to this post because this is exactly what I wrote a couple of days back during the Alta episode when everyone said his character was being butchered. I really do not think it is the butchering of the character ... It is the revealing of his character. We have seen him too good to be true and his flaw has to be more than just being emotionally sensitive and ever ready to sacrifice himself.


@bold: I totally agree with it and it is so perfectly put that I cannot even begin to tell you how each word is exactly what I want to say.

He is of course also a human being and he cannot be perfect. What was the 'grey' in him that we saw until the Amey track followed by the Aniket outburst and then the Alta episode? Nothing. Being in love or having a heartbreak or telling a woman that he is only a name-sake husband is not really a "grey".

The grey starts now -- it is now that he has finally come to a point where there is something at "stake" for him and he does not want to be the self-sacrificing one -- he cannot be. It is out of his control. He has finally got a "Thing" and I am consciously using the word "thing" because he is yet to realise that it is a 'person with feelings and a heart'-- exactly what he didn't like to hear when she said that to Amey --he has got a "thing" that is his -- it has always been his even when he did not know. He has been drawn to Sai right from the word go -- but she is not really 'the one' he ever imagined she would be. His picture perfect wife -- who would also appease his family -- is "Patralekha", unche ghar ki padhi likhi sundar susheel shahannav kuli maratha khandaan wali who would have Kaku's approval, who would not need him to get involved in confrontations that he has never been accustomed to handling.

But now, he has fallen in love with this woman who is unlike him despite being the one his soul seeks -- she is confrontational and that is his biggest fear: confrontations. To add to it, she is also rebellious and puts up this decent facade of being indifferent to him when she's actually not. She pushes him to take stands, which he would never take unless it is an absolute visible erosion of justice. He is helpless because he knows he cannot let her go. But he doesn't know how to handle this -- he knows there can never be a middle ground with an unbending family on one side and a woman, who will pick up every piece of her self-respect and simply walk away.

He NEVER imagained that he would have to wage a war against his family to have her with him all the time. He doesn't want to -- that is why the reluctance. He knows that if he doesn't cover this zillat arena of the house with a sheen of "peace", she will leave one way or the other -- no matter how porus the sheen will be. He thinks getting her to bend is a better option than to rebel against the family -- because he thinks he can "acche se manao" her after any kind of confrontations since she is easy to manao as compared to the family. It is a typical husband behaviour of a man high on his sense of entitlement: You are mine, I can tell you things in public to diffuse situations and we will make up in private because that is where I also give you the best side of me that no one else except you has... His urge to get into "main bol raha hoon" controlling moments with her is to prove the point to the family -- she is my wife and under my control so you can trust me and leave her (us) alone. He wants to establish it as a normal. But unfortunately, Sai will not take his orders blindly and he is unable to show the family that he is in "control". It totally makes him go wild because "Sai samajhti nahi hai". And now, at a make or break point, he is desperate -- so everything is fair in love and war. There can be only one more thing he can do at this point which will be even worse than what he did today in his attempt to exercise his control -- actually two (hate me for saying this) -- actual physical abuse or the forceful consummation of marriage. To me, after today, anything else that he does is going always be on Point 2 or lower of his transgressions because his behaviour today will remain on Point 1 of his transgressions, for a long, long time. Because, I still believe immensely in the goodness that he has -- his conscience will awaken, he will repent and he better do. And I trust that he will not cross over to the two remaining things that I mentioned. Virat cannot.

So to me, telling her to leave the house -- which we all know is coming -- is not even going to be a "sin" on his part anymore. It will, infact, be the much needed step for both of them. A couple needs space to reconcile and rework on their relationship. While he gets his space away from the family, it is Sai who is constantly subjected to the negativity and it will be a breath of fresh air for her to move away from him and reevaluate his position and place in her life and heart. And of couse her absence will bring him face to face with the filth that lies under the glittering chandeliers of the mansion his family is so conceited about-- and also he.

He cannot let her go, not for any kind of zimmedari humbug but for his own self-- call it his "haqq" that he feels he has on her. It was so strong that it took him barely a few days to override even Kamal Joshi's right to access her -- there are minor build ups to the story that we have been told. Kamal Joshi trusted him completely and it was a reassurance he had that his "haqq" on her was unchallenged. Now I don't want to use the word "control" -- because he did not even have any intention behind it. It was so inexplicable that none of us can even describe it beyond the word "connection" --- which is also uttered by him when he had to just disguise and visit her in the safe house. Was that milkman attire part of his zimmedari? No. Was it not a break from his character as a straight-faced ACP? We did not see it as a break because when things are rosy we enjoy these moments as romantic -- we see it from the perspective of what the hero wants to do for the heroine. We do not see it as abnormal because it does not involve any "wrong" on the face of it. We do not question it.

But now, the "haqq" is no longer inexplicable. He married her because of his fear of losing connection with her more than the pressure from the vaada or the villagers. He could not explain to her why he wanted to marry her. It was not love but it was a connection that he felt only with her -- it was so strong that it overpowered his emotion that he actually called "first love" with Patralekha. It was Sai who reminded him, prodded him about what he would do to mollify or explain to "Pakhi" about his decision to marry her. Again, he had no answers. He chose the 'umeed mat rakhna' as a way to remind himself that he cannot actually turn this "haqq" into a tangible one-- of a husband and wife. I do not think it was as much for the loyalty to his vaada to Pakhi as for his own sense of satisfaction that he was being 'honest'.

But now th "haqq" has a definition -- Main Pati hoon tumhara. And it comes with the automatic "umeed"-- that is manifested in his awareness that he is "doing things for her" , maine tumhare liye bohat kuch kiya hai, tumse shaadi maine ki, maine tumhe Jagtap se bachaya (khajoor pe bhi atkaya), maine tumhe hifazat di, maine tumhara admission karaya, maine tumhe paise diye...

Is this umeed manipulative? No. It is natural. It is something that no one can control. So, a couple of days back when Nitu (@yyy) posted about their deal and we were discussing, I also mentioned they were both foolish to think that they would be able to have any control over the emotions that are involuntary -- she thought she would continue to be indifferent and not fall in love with him. She failed. He thought he would be okay with her indifference and not fall in love with her. He has failed. The deal has been invalidated a long time back.

And Sai is aware of it. That is why she told him clearly:

You want to break the deal by exercising your husband rights? So, I will also break the deal by demanding your husband duties.

Now the issue of male entitlement is so complex. There is no man on this planet who doesn't have a sense of entitlement on the woman in his life. I want to generalise that in my loudest voice. The entire world suffers this patriarchal trait of men -- they all deem they are entitled to complete control over the women and yes, 90% of the women are caught in a situation where the male entitlement is accompanied by rigid, unbending, remorseless abuse of some kind and the entire onus of the functioning of the marriage is based on the compliance the woman offers to what the husband wants.

So the "haqq" and the "umeed" in this sense manifest itself in the form of his need to have her to adhere to his notion of his "life partner" because that is how he wants her -- as a life partner. It has been that way since the moment he married her. He never meant to let her go and she never meant to leave either. Even in their eye contact today, they saw they were evidently hurting each other but their resentment in that moment for each other was so palpable, so strong that neither of them wanted to be the one to let go...

I don't know what about his apology that will come will make Sai melt -- will it be her knowledge that despite all his transgressions and flaws, he is the only one who really also cares about her (which he does, let's face it) and he's indeed repenting his action. Or will she forgive him because she has also has reached that point where she has begun to believe that he can be 'loved' even in his ugliest moments? Because, ultimately, as viewers, we can only judge. It is these two characters who are going to make their decisions based on what their heart wants.


Mata itni positivity laati kahan se ho, its very easy to love someone at their best but you have to accept someone at their worst. Rightly said by both of you actually.


Virat is at his worst (hopefully) at the moment. He needs to wake and he will. Lets see how and when but all this is really draining thinking why should she endure all this pain. For him??? then him better do something for it.


Also i have been irritated with the same precap, but a thought crossed my mind after looking at the precap.

Vahini says to him, even if Sai goes against you I will always be by your side. Now that's the difference.

Few episodes (Mohit wala), Sai had said if something is wrong I can stand against anyone. If Vahini's statement reminds him of that, it would a classic (but I know high hopes). He needs to know if she is fighting against him then he somewhere is doing something wrong.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Nice update janki

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