Ladakh ki ladai, "Love" pe aafat aayi - Page 6

@ Janki

After reading some of the replies that were more forgiving of Virat, I watched the episode again- logically without delving too much into feelings. I can perhaps agree that Virat basically compartmentalizes his life - so at the moment, his concern and focus was only on Samrat. Regarding Sai, my understanding is that Virat views their entire relationship through his eyes only - according to him, he has expressed his interest in their relationship and has seen Sai receptive to it (atleast since two days). This (getting showered by attention from Sai) is at the moment, sufficient for him to assume that Sai has also realized that he is no longer interested in Pakhi romantically. The nuances of healthy relationship - ensuring that your spouse feels secure, mutual understanding etc are probably unknown to him since he probably never had that kind of a healthy relationship at CN. He has a broad, almost child-like view on relationships (was this the reason for him mistaking a 2-day crush as deep love??). This man is also deeply insecure - insecure people can be pretty pre-occupied with their own feelings (and oblivious to other's feelings) that might come across as selfishness or insensitivity. Added to that is his coping mechanism - repression of his feelings. Repressing his own emotions probably means he fails to recognize others feelings as well - he probably even expects others to cope the same way he does - by burying feelings that have the potential to cause conflict. Ofcourse, I obviously hope that the CVs also had some sort of logic to Virat's behaviour today.

This is what came to my mind. I don't know if my analysis makes sense.

Originally posted by: jane_austen

@ Janki

After reading some of the replies that were more forgiving of Virat, I watched the episode again- logically without delving too much into feelings. I can perhaps agree that Virat basically compartmentalizes his life - so at the moment, his concern and focus was only on Samrat. Regarding Sai, my understanding is that Virat views their entire relationship through his eyes only - according to him, he has expressed his interest in their relationship and has seen Sai receptive to it (atleast since two days). This (getting showered by attention from Sai) is at the moment, sufficient for him to assume that Sai has also realized that he is no longer interested in Pakhi romantically. The nuances of healthy relationship - ensuring that your spouse feels secure, mutual understanding etc are probably unknown to him since he probably never had that kind of a healthy relationship at CN. He has a broad, almost child-like view on relationships (was this the reason for him mistaking a 2-day crush as deep love??). This man is also deeply insecure - insecure people can be pretty pre-occupied with their own feelings (and oblivious to other's feelings) that might come across as selfishness or insensitivity. Added to that is his coping mechanism - repression of his feelings. Repressing his own emotions probably means he fails to recognize others feelings as well - he probably even expects others to cope the same way he does - by burying feelings that have the potential to cause conflict. Ofcourse, I obviously hope that the CVs also had some sort of logic to Virat's behaviour today.

This is what came to my mind. I don't know if my analysis makes sense.

I would find his assumption that Sai feels "secure" as shallow as his jealousy when she's clearly saying things to his face that should make him ponder what she means when she speaks of his "friendship" with his Vahini. She doesn't want to "interrupt samajhdaar and mature adults going on a vacation" and she thinks he likes being fed by Vahini, she doesn't feel the need to compete with Vahini because she knows who he prefers -- these are still unresolved sentences spoken between them and it seems he's not even given it a deep thought or asked her why she said those things. She fell sick and they ate dinner together and the issue was burped over. He's too happy with the attention he's not getting and as usual, it gets brushed under the carpet until something else will sting him and he will go ballistic. If that is going to be a pattern, then it is better he sticks to his deal and continues to please his Vahini as a stepney tyre until his brother comes back and announces his decision.

My issue is that for someone demanding the kind of intimacy he wants, he needs to take the same number of steps to have awareness about the feelings of the other. So, I cannot re-look at his silence and lack of objection to the absolutely in-your-face honeymoon trip as his inability to see what was coming and then decide to go on with the conversation, give understanding nods and smiles to the jilted lover without even sparing a thought for what the 'wife' would feel. I know his intentions are right but his actions, oh boy, spare some thought Chavan.

Originally posted by: AK_2010

I am glad you did. I do love discussing the minute details and inner meanings behind the unsaid gestures. One of the reasons why I absolutely love Janki's reviews

My words in green!

Virat needs to get over these habits if he expects Sai to fall in love with him. I was also annoyed when he asked her if he isn't the kind of person she would want to fall in love with, I mean WTH? Do you love her? At this point when he is so confused about his feelings how is he going to react if she says Yes, I am falling for you too. His instant reaction would be euphoria cause when Sai said Devi Tai he was disappointed but what after that euphoria fades away? What when his PYAAROSTI will remind him of his vaadas? Is he ready to answer those questions?

I am not sure if he is the type of guy that expects the woman to make the first move, that wants entitlement along the route. Someone like oh she likes me and wants me, so I will reciprocate if I feel the same. Otherwise, I wont. During him and Pakhi's time, Pakhi was the one who made the first move by giving him her phone number and telling him explicitly, you will call me and i'll be waiting for your call. He merely reciprocated everything she said. In Sai's case, we see him doing things differently but also he's retaining his character of wanting things said and done w/o having to put work into it.

Oh dear! This Virat is never going away at all! Since this show is sticking with the other two versions, I am not sure you want to put urself through that Shruti mess. I mean the ML literally abandoned his wife in labor pain to be with his colleague's sick wife. WTF!!? Will he ever value his love over his messed up sense of duty?

I think what is getting confusing w this show is that writers dont have Virat sketched out. They are showing him as Rono or Vikram conveniently. Mixing two characters doesn't form a character. A character needs to be developed and that is something they aren't doing w Virat. They show him pal mein masha toh pal mein tola.

Also if he does that, that's messed up. Your wife is also your responsibility so is the kid. If he abandons his wife when she's in labor, he's actually going against the entire reason on why he married her. It doesn't make sense at all and that's not something a wife should ever forgive. I bet he will say Sai had aayi and lot of people but she had no one lol

Sai is not a rebound. At least not yet. From what I can see, I would refrain from saying that he is falling for her. I think there are two things involved here:

1. His sense of Haqq on Sai as a husband (Cue the unabashed jealousy at the mere mention of a man's name and demanding her respect as her husband) He never fails to behave as her husband and is dangerously disappointed every effing time Sai ignores her rights as his wife.

2. The physical attraction he feels for her. Its evidently there and he hasn't been making any efforts to hide it or maybe he does not acknowledge it either. Maybe he is in denial that he is attracted to her because they haven't shown him pondering over his feelings.

I am sorry if my words deflate or upset u but looking at the history such family drama oriented ITV shows, I don't think the ML will evolve a lot. They r usually chauvinistic throughout the duration of the show. He will fall in love and they will confess and consummate the relationship and falana dhimka but he will still behave absurdly in future

Nope, not upset at all! ITV male leads are usually the problem along the way the entire time haha i was just thinking that though the entire family is alright w Sai later on, it's Virat who has been and will be the issue in their relationship throughout lol

Delusionalekha is still not in that phase. Maybe she will get there after Samrat comes back She has made a bad decision and she will regret it only when Virat will verbally accept that he has fallen for Sai. Until then she will continue to believe that Virat is an UNCHAHA marriage like her and they r there for each other.

wah the ladoos in her dil are real bc of this ladakh trip 😆 soon to be eaten by Sai and phootne wale by the couple lol we can let her enjoy this 1.47 wali khushi as their 1.47 wala pyaar 🤣

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

I would find his assumption that Sai feels "secure" as shallow as his jealousy when she's clearly saying things to his face that should make him ponder what she means when she speaks of his "friendship" with his Vahini. She doesn't want to "interrupt samajhdaar and mature adults going on a vacation" and she thinks he likes being fed by Vahini, she doesn't feel the need to compete with Vahini because she knows who he prefers -- these are still unresolved sentences spoken between them and it seems he's not even given it a deep thought or asked her why she said those things. She fell sick and they ate dinner together and the issue was burped over. He's too happy with the attention he's not getting and as usual, it gets brushed under the carpet until something else will sting him and he will go ballistic. If that is going to be a pattern, then it is better he sticks to his deal and continues to please his Vahini as a stepney tyre until his brother comes back and announces his decision.

My issue is that for someone demanding the kind of intimacy he wants, he needs to take the same number of steps to have awareness about the feelings of the other. So, I cannot re-look at his silence and lack of objection to the absolutely in-your-face honeymoon trip as his inability to see what was coming and then decide to go on with the conversation, give understanding nods and smiles to the jilted lover without even sparing a thought for what the 'wife' would feel. I know his intentions are right but his actions, oh boy, spare some thought Chavan.

Shall intervene, my logical mind is on a over ride.

Too much expectations from a man who does not understand his own feelings, ab usse umeed karein ki spashta language samjhe hogaya. He has always been blinded by emotions and he is impulsive when he is emotional. Uska simple logic, family ke liye main kuch bhi karunga. So now he has accepted to go to Ladak with his Vahini.

We all know he is going to ask his Baiko to come along, what i want see is what would be his reason for asking her

A) He wants her to go along to satisfy his ego. So that she can be around him.

B) Really understands that she is actually not very comfortable with the idea of him and his vahini going together.

For her to even take that one step towards him, he needs to show her or tell her what Vahini means to him. I am not even mentioning love here. if he does that then that is character growth, there relation progresses nahi toh yahin pendulam.

While i defend ACP Saheb today, he needs to pull his socks up. Iska yo-yo ride is very tiering.

Just wonder..Would Virat have tolerated had Sai caught Pakhi’s hand the way Pakhi did today? Isn’t it badtamiji? Or I think that word is reserved only for Sai,I think.

Whenever I happen to warm up to ACP ( like I did in previous episode when he cut short the discussions and took Sai ,since they need to get up early) he will again gift me hundred causes to point a finger at him...disappointed with his unconcerned behaviour towards Sai,Aswini,Mohit and Karishma.

And what did he say to his mother? So according to him one should not speak with frankness If there is a chance of ten others pointing a finger at? Ridiculous. I can’t understand this man..

I'm honestly baffled with virat's oscillating behaviour.. his confusion is frustrating.. I can't even make out much from his expressions these days. I understand that he's a man of few words, but his actions should also have some amount of certainty. One day he take one single step in the positive direction and the other he takes 5 steps backwards

I don't know why they are showing him to be so meek with his family or pakhi for that matter, atleast for once can he not speak or do sternly and clearly, so that we know his stand?!

Originally posted by: jane_austen

@ Janki

After reading some of the replies that were more forgiving of Virat, I watched the episode again- logically without delving too much into feelings. I can perhaps agree that Virat basically compartmentalizes his life - so at the moment, his concern and focus was only on Samrat. Regarding Sai, my understanding is that Virat views their entire relationship through his eyes only - according to him, he has expressed his interest in their relationship and has seen Sai receptive to it (atleast since two days). This (getting showered by attention from Sai) is at the moment, sufficient for him to assume that Sai has also realized that he is no longer interested in Pakhi romantically. The nuances of healthy relationship - ensuring that your spouse feels secure, mutual understanding etc are probably unknown to him since he probably never had that kind of a healthy relationship at CN. He has a broad, almost child-like view on relationships (was this the reason for him mistaking a 2-day crush as deep love??). This man is also deeply insecure - insecure people can be pretty pre-occupied with their own feelings (and oblivious to other's feelings) that might come across as selfishness or insensitivity. Added to that is his coping mechanism - repression of his feelings. Repressing his own emotions probably means he fails to recognize others feelings as well - he probably even expects others to cope the same way he does - by burying feelings that have the potential to cause conflict. Ofcourse, I obviously hope that the CVs also had some sort of logic to Virat's behaviour today.

This is what came to my mind. I don't know if my analysis makes sense.

I also felt that the character of Virat Sir can't be that dumb...I mean if he has given a certain response to a situation...it might as well have a reason for it...the way his eyes were following Sai in the starting of the episode when they get Samrat letter...the reason can be a sense of thanking as recently he has received affirmation of his belief from Sai that Samrat is fine and he would return safe..it generally happens I have seen that if someone belives in our belief of something and that happens we tend to think of that person and look for that person to express our gratitude...here Virat sir did through his eyes...atleast I felt so...

Secondly when he got caught niharofying his baiko by his baba he had to put forward a certain bahana for his behaviour and he tried covering up by saying that he would like to participate in the "zaroori" kaam by helping Pakhi and accompanying her..maybe he didn't intend to accompany her but he just blurted out to avoid a situation of being named irresponsible... he again looks at Sai as if asking if he has done right...He was actually caught uncomfortable when kaku tells him to accompany Pakhi and sonali kaku tells that he should take atleast six days leave so that they can have a darshan of the nazaaraas in ladakh... whereas his mind was playing " tere chehre se nazar nahin hatti nazaare hum kya dekhen" for his baiko...

Thirdly when he says to his aai that aisi baat hi mat kariye jisse aapko log galat samjhe he meant to say maybe it's useless to convince people who are moorkh as they won't understand and they will beat you with their highest level of stupidity and experience...it can be a taunt for chakram basis also because both bhavani kaku and sonali kaku were surprised at his words...

I don't know whether it's the story or the dialogues given to the character of Virat...I genuinely feel that Virat sir should be given a benefit of doubt...what's say...this is totally my opinion...

Originally posted by: deepthi2014

I also felt that the character of Virat Sir can't be that dumb...I mean if he has given a certain response to a situation...it might as well have a reason for it...the way his eyes were following Sai in the starting of the episode when they get Samrat letter...the reason can be a sense of thanking as recently he has received affirmation of his belief from Sai that Samrat is fine and he would return safe..it generally happens I have seen that if someone belives in our belief of something and that happens we tend to think of that person and look for that person to express our gratitude...here Virat sir did through his eyes...atleast I felt so...

Secondly when he got caught niharofying his baiko by his baba he had to put forward a certain bahana for his behaviour and he tried covering up by saying that he would like to participate in the "zaroori" kaam by helping Pakhi and accompanying her..maybe he didn't intend to accompany her but he just blurted out to avoid a situation of being named irresponsible... he again looks at Sai as if asking if he has done right...He was actually caught uncomfortable when kaku tells him to accompany Pakhi and sonali kaku tells that he should take atleast six days leave so that they can have a darshan of the nazaaraas in ladakh... whereas his mind was playing " tere chehre se nazar nahin hatti nazaare hum kya dekhen" for his baiko...

Thirdly when he says to his aai that aisi baat hi mat kariye jisse aapko log galat samjhe he meant to say maybe it's useless to convince people who are moorkh as they won't understand and they will beat you with their highest level of stupidity and experience...it can be a taunt for chakram basis also because both bhavani kaku and sonali kaku were surprised at his words...

I don't know whether it's the story or the dialogues given to the character of Virat...I genuinely feel that Virat sir should be given a benefit of doubt...what's say...this is totally my opinion...

I second that, i have already mentioned and replied on Janki's post that benefit of doubt to banta hain. But my question is kitni der tak, he needs to move and he needs to move fast. He is a very slow processor when it comes to his family. He wants to take along everyone, which cannot happen.

Fine use sarcasm but kuch kaho aisa ki sab ke dil ko chube especially vahini. He has done it before and I am sure he can do it again.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

I would find his assumption that Sai feels "secure" as shallow as his jealousy when she's clearly saying things to his face that should make him ponder what she means when she speaks of his "friendship" with his Vahini. She doesn't want to "interrupt samajhdaar and mature adults going on a vacation" and she thinks he likes being fed by Vahini, she doesn't feel the need to compete with Vahini because she knows who he prefers -- these are still unresolved sentences spoken between them and it seems he's not even given it a deep thought or asked her why she said those things. She fell sick and they ate dinner together and the issue was burped over. He's too happy with the attention he's not getting and as usual, it gets brushed under the carpet until something else will sting him and he will go ballistic. If that is going to be a pattern, then it is better he sticks to his deal and continues to please his Vahini as a stepney tyre until his brother comes back and announces his decision.

My issue is that for someone demanding the kind of intimacy he wants, he needs to take the same number of steps to have awareness about the feelings of the other. So, I cannot re-look at his silence and lack of objection to the absolutely in-your-face honeymoon trip as his inability to see what was coming and then decide to go on with the conversation, give understanding nods and smiles to the jilted lover without even sparing a thought for what the 'wife' would feel. I know his intentions are right but his actions, oh boy, spare some thought Chavan.

@Bold- These just two of the many instances when Sai has openly expressed her opinion about their 'Friendship' and despite all these exchanges, not once has Virat addressed the issue as it is. Either because he just does not get it or he has been too immersed into his own feelings to understand what she is trying to say in spashtha words.

Sometimes, I also like to believe that he is just blantly ignorant about Sai's feelings but that could also be my annoyance towards the character.

Originally posted by: Sunshinebhumii

Hi all!

I’m a silent reader, new to this series and ITV. I try to stay away from ITV for my own sanity. My only series so far is kuch rang and yeh pyar nahi to kya hai.. I started watching Ghum because of positivity in Twitter..

I felt like penning my thoughts today, because I found today’s episode a cringe-fest..

Who would suggest DIL to go on a trip with her BIL? I wonder what sort of equation they think Virat and PP share for sad, heartbroken and lonely wife of samrat would feel comfortable to go to place like ladakh with her devar? It’s insane!

if we consider that they are devar and bhabhi that most family member thinks, then who would even imagine that bhabi would be comfortable to go sightseeing alone with devar? Wouldn’t she want some female company? I would feel suffocated to have dinner with my BIL by myself... it would of course be natural to suggest any female member to accompany..

lets consider their friendship angle, which many family members acknowledge that Virat and Pp are. I’m not 100% sure, but I believe family members are aware that they became friends during 2 days yoga camp. I fast forwarded initial episodes due to PP’s stoned expression...she hardly emotes( well can’t do much about it). So, who would feel relaxed or comfortable sightseeing with just friend? Lets consider that family members believe that they are bestest friends and they don’t have any romantic past, then still 5 days sightseeing sounds absurd... i have male best friend and I wouldn’t want to go sightseeing with him whether or not he was my bil. I would be asking his wife to come along!

Also, there has been concerns raised by karishma, ashwini and devi that there is something between devar and bhabi. Wouldn’t family members be bit conscious about it?

I don't think they care about it. When there is an 'enemy' who has to be defeated at any cost, unscrupulous means are adopted. Bhavani has a dual agenda - Ashwini and Sai have to be put down. Vahini wants her imaginary husband. There is no moral line when it has to be done "kisi bhi keemat par"

i just found who thing ridiculous and absurd. I just cannot think it can be logical in any way!

I hope makers are more conscious about it in future.. its not about being progressive ( they cannot even sell that as Chavans are quite regressive), its about bit quite logical..

I think even in series where they show FL washing laptop, they wouldn’t suggest something like this...

it genuinely feels like family knows about PP feelings and wants to encourage her relationship with her devar!!

Thank you all for making me hooked to this forum 😊😊

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