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Tia.0

@Tia.0

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Posted: 9 years ago

#11

Self-respect - proper esteem or regard for the dignity of one's character.

Ego - an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others

Not willing to take even love as alms is self-respect. Not being able to tolerate being left alone so go and marry another woman to punish the so called love and obviously pretend marriage is ego.

What Ganga has is pride. She is not a beggar. All her life she loved a family and thought herself to be their daughter. Within a day they reduced her to a charity and blamed her for not being grateful enough to keep her head down.

The man she loved more than God first reduced her to charity and then asked her to give him back his son as if he is a thing. So she got upset and made a statement in as you put it in hoity toity air.

Saagar left everything behind for her, but didn't Ganga leave everything behind too? When the society is heaping blame, they are not blaming Saagar. They are blaming Ganga including his family. He got upset because Ganga gave him back. But is he a thing that Ganga got? Can anyone hand over an adult? Doesn't he have a free will?

But Saagar got so hurt by her one statement that he decided to make a mockery of their love and marriage by falling back to plan b. Now if he had just decided to leave Ganga and go back but had not married Jahnvi, then yes, your point about self-respect would have been correct. But when he went and married Jahnvi, that was not self-respect. That was pure ego and vindictive nature.

Never mind the fact that he has hurt Ganga over and over, but she was never vindictive to him. Because when you love someone, you can't be vindictive to them. You can be upset, angry, never want to see their face again (which Ganga is doing). But you can't go so far to humiliate them.

Saagar's character would still have been acceptable if after marrying Jahnvi he'd have stayed away from Ganga. But when he went to her trying to get assurance that she still loves him, that was disgusting to watch. If the CVs hadn't mentioned that he is the hero, I'd have thought the hero is going to make entry now.

If he just made a mistake in anger, why not get a divorce and then come to Ganga? But what he did was no better than Yash who tried to take advantage of Ganga in secret behind every one's back so that no one in the family knows his true character and what he is upto.

Yes, human being have weaknesses and Ganga has her share. Weakness in nature is forgivable, but weakness in character is not. Ganga has some weakness in nature, Saagar has weakness in character.

Originally posted by: drummedup

This ain't anything Man Vs Woman actually. It's about humans, their flaws and their core personalities and mistakes.

I do not and will not absolve Gangaa of all fault. Self-respect is so self-explanatory as a term but the way they highlight it and made Gangaa wear it on her sleeve... sorry it has descended to EGO.

It did not take her a second to let go off Sagar with that hoity toity air when Niru asked her to return Sagar.

Tell me, in reverse or normal situation, how would a person who has left everything behind for you doesn't have the same SELF RESPECT as you? When the very person they left everything for gives you away in charity?

I don't condone Sagar's actions what followed later but in no way I think Ganga is above Sagar or deserves something better than him.

Both have flaws ... Sagar was ready to bend his ego for her but she is not. Even if you reverse the situation, that flaw is too obvious to let go... Just because she is Woman we can't let her ego parade as self-respect.

In my view both need to learn their respective lessons.

One thing I agree here is Sagar should've by now divorced Jhanvi... Whether Ganga is going to be a part of his life or not... he knows he took a bad decision, so he should take steps to correct it. Make up his mind and not treat Jhanvi unfairly.

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mansi

@mansi_as18

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Posted: 9 years ago

#12

Both the leads have their flaws... while saagar do first and thinks later... ganga is too stubborn and has a big ego for that matter...

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Posted: 9 years ago

#13

"Weakness in nature is forgivable, but weakness in character is not. Ganga has some weakness in nature, Saagar has weakness in character."

^ Nature in essence is also an integral part of Character. Isn't it? Also, Nature is in-born, default and Character is built - so by that, Is a flaw in nature easily correctable or a flaw in Character? I'd lean to latter as it's in your hands to build or break, right?

Gangaa does have an inflated sense of pride in her self-respect. Otherwise she would not have reacted the way she did in Restaurant. Her tone whenever she uses the word ' self-respect' also asserts the same. As Wafah said, she always walks that thin line.

I agree about all the mistakes of Sagar you pointed out ... But the source he is drawing his strength from to take such big steps flips on him for whatever the reason. In essence, Gangaa has also done some thing that'd make Sagar lose his trust in relying on a person in hard times... Just like how Sagar did by taking insane step of marrying J. His mistake is bigger now because he unnecessarily involved and ruined a 3rd life in their war.

In that same vein, I also muse at how it feels for a Gangaa to see a society against herself ( something which she is used to since forever) to a Sagar who has gone against the norms for the first time depending on her to be at his side always in treading a new path of being ostracized from society. Are we undermining the blow he received with Gangaa's decision here? Yes, he has free will but Gangaa gave him up means she chose to let him be taken, what good his free will alone do when her free will took her in opposite direction of him instead being with him?

Ganga's hard life made her mature and evolve quicker than Sagar... Sagar's protected and privileged life makes him immature n makes him take things for granted. He started learning his lessons ever since he fell in love with her... be it how he needs to give her a respectable position beside him in the society or how much she has faced since her childhood coz of an unfair social structure. We cannot look down on a person who is on a continuous personal evolution and who, eventually, accepts his flaws and mistakes...

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mifra waseem

@Mifra_14

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: seriallover_OMG
@jacina19saga 😆 It is you DEAR, who doesnt understand the post written by @tia.o. She mentioned "Reverse situation" in the title...please pay attention to the post first and dont just jump to conclusions. She is saying that we would never like GANGAA if she was in place of SAGAR. REASON: we love immature male characters who would go down to extreme lengths to get what they want.

YOU LOVE SAGA- which is cute but dont underestimate other's opinions. I have replied to this post and will reply to every post which makes sense to me. Mujhe ye show pasand hai iska matlab ye nahi hai ki main characters (like sagar) ke kuch bhi ulta sidha karne par bhi unhe pasand karti rahungi. Vishal is doing a great job but Sagar has lost it.

plzzzxxzzz dear @seriallover_OMG lol...she dint read the whole paragraph first, she just read the reverse situation and that too very hurridly, thats why she got confused and replied, u could have simply explained her but ..no..u said "plzz pay attention without jumping to any conclusion"..

Dear we all should respect each other views..and its not like jaci doesn't respect other views, she does respect other views but the thing is she read it very quickly, and after reading half of it ,she just couldn't control herself and replied..and it's.human nature that we sometimes trust in adhi adhuri batien, same happened with jaci..

And I know my sis, she is very sensitive, now because of ur this reply ,she has left the forums...

Because u indirectly insulted her,, now u'll say ,no, I dint insult her,r8??but the words u used actually hurted her. ...

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ammu92

@ammu92

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: drummedup

"Weakness in nature is forgivable, but weakness in character is not. Ganga has some weakness in nature, Saagar has weakness in character."

^ Nature in essence is also an integral part of Character. Isn't it? Also, Nature is in-born, default and Character is built - so by that, Is a flaw in nature easily correctable or a flaw in Character? I'd lean to latter as it's in your hands to build or break, right?

Gangaa does have an inflated sense of pride in her self-respect. Otherwise she would not have reacted the way she did in Restaurant. Her tone whenever she uses the word ' self-respect' also asserts the same. As Wafah said, she always walks that thin line.

I agree about all the mistakes of Sagar you pointed out ... But the source he is drawing his strength from to take such big steps flips on him for whatever the reason. In essence, Gangaa has also done some thing that'd make Sagar lose his trust in relying on a person in hard times... Just like how Sagar did by taking insane step of marrying J. His mistake is bigger now because he unnecessarily involved and ruined a 3rd life in their war.

In that same vein, I also muse at how it feels for a Gangaa to see a society against herself ( something which she is used to since forever) to a Sagar who has gone against the norms for the first time depending on her to be at his side always in treading a new path of being ostracized from society. Are we undermining the blow he received with Gangaa's decision here? Yes, he has free will but Gangaa gave him up means she chose to let him be taken, what good his free will alone do when her free will took her in opposite direction of him instead being with him?

Ganga's hard life made her mature and evolve quicker than Sagar... Sagar's protected and privileged life makes him immature n makes him take things for granted. He started learning his lessons ever since he fell in love with her... be it how he needs to give her a respectable position beside him in the society or how much she has faced since her childhood coz of an unfair social structure. We cannot look down on a person who is on a continuous personal evolution and who, eventually, accepts his flaws and mistakes...

Agree to your each and every word 😳

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ammu92

@ammu92

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: tia.o

@Green last para..
I disagree with this point.. Okay I agree yes Sagar being impulsive took major step ahead just to hurt her back but got caught both of them in a cage of mess
But dear saying why should ganga go with him? He is the one who had gf,got engaged and then married 😲 Arey the scene about which wafaa was saying at that time ganga was sagar's wife and this guy just day before fought from his whole family,argued with them,questioned them..about what? About Gangaa,about their love..at that time she was standing their numb..When sagar's family disagreed he being her husband held her hand and left his house.This guy was trying hard to secure their future from getting their marriage registered,from arranging tickets to Delhi..
When someone dares to leave his/her family for any one person then its all because he/she has immense trust on that person that he/she wont leave me and i am standing at right side.
But then what was gangaa doing..justifying her in that scene won't be correct..gangaa was at that time his wife and when suddenly she realized some of her belongings are still at house..she thought to go there.okay the same place which her husband left for her deciding never to return..and when she was reminded let him come,he must know you are going there..then don't you think Sagar actually deserved to be informed that she is going there..but no she didn't..she didn't even informed him over phone..Yes that is her family too..but then when its come to her and her ego or self respect she too ignores Sagar..and as Sagar said..when its you and your doings you label it your self respect,don't I have any respect
Though I like gangaa character coz she is strong..and I learn a lot from her..same is Sagar he too posses some really good qualities..which is rare to find in guys generally.their friendship was covered and got strong thru out a long journey but their love was too juvenile and one wrong mistake from each side spoiled it..they are still to go long way to learn to love,to lead to trust on love.
CVs are just trying that only to show..each phase of life,each shade of a person..and as it is said every person has some flaws..here ganga and Sagar both have some flaws in their way..may be ganga is little mature or strong than Sagar..but Sagar too has alwaz stood beside her tried to understand her..yes he failed sometimes but then he learnt from it..
So I love SAGA equally and have no complaints from them.. WO kehte hai na kabi kabi insaan bure nahi hote bas halat ese bure Ho hate hai.. If Sagar did a mistake he is repenting..he admitted he did big mistake..i wish ganga also may have admitted for once yes it wad slip of tongue Sagar..i am sorry..
But pta nhi ye sorry kabi bhi hoti..she knows how to make others feel guilty 😆 just joking 😉

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Posted: 9 years ago

#17

simply pay heed - i have said this from Day 1...both are unlevelled head. Sagar from time upon time will never tolerate...gangas solid ego...! without even jhanvi...they will never be able to lead normal life. jhanvi tou sirf ek kadiii hain...

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ammu92

@ammu92

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: NeverBeDismayed
<font size="4">simply pay heed - i have said this from Day 1...both are unlevelled head. Sagar from time upon time will never tolerate...gangas solid ego...! without even jhanvi...they will never be able to lead normal life. jhanvi tou sirf ek kadiii hain...</font>

Is it necessary that two different people can't stay together?
What I learnt is love is not about finding a carbon copy and fall into love with him/her..but love is about seeing all odd in person yet falling for their good one..and love is a journey na not a destination..then Ho can anyone expect a journey to be only goody goody one..definitely there will be ups and downs..
And a normal couple too fights,accuse each other even after leading their life together for 20 years 😉
So nothing is bad when SAGA are wished to be together.. 😊 yes they do fight,accuse each other but the bond they share is so so strong that nothing is painful to them than staying apart not in talking terms or so.. It is shown when they are team no one can break them..but when they are apart they both are incomplete and torned.."dono hi ek duje Ki dard bhi hai aur dawa bhi" This is what they have to lead thru out their journey 😳
Well I agree its hard for them to lead a normal life..but adventurous bhi chalega 😆 after all being a shipper of SAGA..i wanna end them together at last..and I love to learn from their mistakes and love..
I am a learning bacha.. 😉 happy ending pasand hai..

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bips

@bips

Sparkler

+ 8

Posted: 9 years ago

#19

I get that both of them are egoistic.

So though i don;t understand how anyone can go from marrying one girl one day to marrying a different girl the very next minute just bec they are angry ... even then if i stretch my understanding and cinematic liberty, and get sagar's actions ... ... ... ... .

what i don't understand is that he makes mistakes but he does not want to suffer the consequences of it. he basically wants a get-free-jail-card

He has made his decisions but does not want to be held responsible for them

What gave him the right to marry jhanvi and then ask her to not expect any marital affections but still expect gangaa to love him and declare it to the world ?

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Tia.0

@Tia.0

Sparkler

+ 6

Posted: 9 years ago

#20

You have strong points. But here's my point. Saagar did not just secretly pretended to marry Gangaa. He married her in a grand gesture and moved out of his house with her. Then two days later he forgot his so-called ritualistic grand gesture and did court marriage with someone else and threw a party to celebrate.

Can you imagine the level of humiliations not to mention heart break for Gangaa?

Now the whole society knows Saagar discarded Gangaa (sorry if that word hurts you, but you know that's what the society knows because they weren't standing in Niru's bedroom listening to Gangaa's one statement made in anger that made her so-called love dump her in I-will-leave-you-before-you-can-leave-me haste. Gangaa made a statement in anger in front of another person, she didn't dump Saagar yet.).

Then Saagar is out on a date with his current, legal, socially acceptable wife where the previous discarded non-wife is there. They are being harassed. If his intention was clear, why not call manager on the corner and tell him quietly that smoking in public place is illegal, so he better remove those goons. There was no need to make a loud scene. He's have helped his sister-in-law and Gangaa from harassment without them knowing about it or humiliating his current wife in the public.

Now nature vs. character. You are right. Nature is in born, so it is with you since birth. Nature has nothing to do with morality. If one person is stubborn or proud, it is who he/she is. People who love you, accepts you with all aspects of your nature and accept you the same way.

But character is more closely linked with the upbringing you got and your circumstances. Your nature just makes it more comfortable or less comfortable to deal with.

When nature is against character, that creates conflict in personality. When nature is against upbringing, it creates rebels.

For example, a naturally proud person and a meek, subservient person can both be taught to keep their head down. But it's more difficult for the naturally proud person than it is for the later. That's nature vs. upbringing. The proud person will rebel.

Again, throw a person raised in privileged household who was adored since he was born and a person who has only seen hardship into a hard situation, a person with strong character will win the battle, but a person with a weak character will fold. Remember when Saagar was lamenting that he should have taken more money out before his father blocked his access to money?

Saagar's source of rebellion didn't flip on him. She made a statement in anger in private. She did not dump Saagar either publicly or privately. If you pay close attention, Gangaa's source of rebellion took away the family whom she thought of her own, her respect in society and then publicly discarded her leaving her alone without any support while he went back to the arms of his family as if nothing happened. If Pulkit hadn't stepped in where would she be?

Then on the same night of his marriage he comes to Gangaa to verify that she still loves him or not. That not only shows lack of character, it also shows lack of morality, lack of character, lack of any sense of right and wrong. He doesn't even have the strength of character it takes to take a decision and stick to it.

Again my question, what he'd have done if Gangaa made a statement in anger after they were legally married? What extent would he have gone to hurt her? Everyone makes statement in anger, but no one who loves them go so far to be vindictive, cruel and hurtful. They are upset, angry, may be even stop talking. But vindictiveness is a whole different level of cruelty. You can't live with a vindictive person who takes revenge on the person they claim to love based on a statement made in anger in private. There is zero excuse to justify that.

You are right character can be built. But his character hasn't been built yet and until it's done, he is not man enough to be married to anyone, let alone matured Gangaa.

Originally posted by: drummedup

"Weakness in nature is forgivable, but weakness in character is not. Ganga has some weakness in nature, Saagar has weakness in character."

^ Nature in essence is also an integral part of Character. Isn't it? Also, Nature is in-born, default and Character is built - so by that, Is a flaw in nature easily correctable or a flaw in Character? I'd lean to latter as it's in your hands to build or break, right?

Gangaa does have an inflated sense of pride in her self-respect. Otherwise she would not have reacted the way she did in Restaurant. Her tone whenever she uses the word ' self-respect' also asserts the same. As Wafah said, she always walks that thin line.

I agree about all the mistakes of Sagar you pointed out ... But the source he is drawing his strength from to take such big steps flips on him for whatever the reason. In essence, Gangaa has also done some thing that'd make Sagar lose his trust in relying on a person in hard times... Just like how Sagar did by taking insane step of marrying J. His mistake is bigger now because he unnecessarily involved and ruined a 3rd life in their war.

In that same vein, I also muse at how it feels for a Gangaa to see a society against herself ( something which she is used to since forever) to a Sagar who has gone against the norms for the first time depending on her to be at his side always in treading a new path of being ostracized from society. Are we undermining the blow he received with Gangaa's decision here? Yes, he has free will but Gangaa gave him up means she chose to let him be taken, what good his free will alone do when her free will took her in opposite direction of him instead being with him?

Ganga's hard life made her mature and evolve quicker than Sagar... Sagar's protected and privileged life makes him immature n makes him take things for granted. He started learning his lessons ever since he fell in love with her... be it how he needs to give her a respectable position beside him in the society or how much she has faced since her childhood coz of an unfair social structure. We cannot look down on a person who is on a continuous personal evolution and who, eventually, accepts his flaws and mistakes...

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