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Posted: 7 years ago
@Janas- I'll assess SAt as a mother thr' Vatsalya & she was a great mother to him.And he turned out pretty well.
We can argue why he ran away, she had reasons to keep him in the house and she was proven right.


When a kid grows up in a joint family, she/he will be influenced by all the adults around her, just like Vatsalya was.
Anmai might have turned out well, may be she got her impulsive and adamant streaks from PP?
Let's put all the mothers thr' scanner here😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
16/1/2017

Guys sorry for not able to reply to your posts. I am reading them but really tied up and do not have time to write my lenthly analysis. Hopefully by 23rd I can get a clear picture of RKC with respect to MB to give a better analysis.

At this point going with symbolisms as I understood it. Sudha was in black, Anami in precap in white, Satrupa in yellow anad Adhi in blue.

For me black and white both represent death. Yellow and blue in general colors represent life.
Sudha in black represented me death of new or death of youngsters, children for her revenge,for her power. Anami in white represented death of old, unwanted traditions, unwanted customs. Sat in yellow represented the guardian of life the old way or as I tell she is the one who is defending the patriarichail beliefs of LM and this is the way she wants Anami to adhere to which Anami things wrong.

Adhi represents the new way of thinking. New thoughts, life in new form, he is the defense of Anami who is going to bring new from old. If Sat is the defense of old system, Adhi is the defense of new system. And when things come from old to new, it has to ensured what is good from old is taken and ensured its mistakes and crimes are not repeated. Adhi will play a crucial role here.

At this point Adhi is defense and none see him or the extend of defense he can give to Anami. The game changes when Anami comes in defense of Adhi. Sat was used to defend one man using old system. Anami has to come to the defense of man in new system with freewill.That's the game changer and by the time people realize it or Sat realize it power of LM,power of old system has to go.

MP tells in MB war praise was sung for the man who didnt take any weapon. Praise continues to be sung for Krishna who fought the war without actually fighting it. Praise will always be sung for the man who wins the war not by guns but by rose. And this man is understood only when old power falls. It is Satrupa's zidh where she walks on fire or do all the physical tamasha of self torture to Adhi's love where his tears and pain are the fire on which he walks for her, not allowing anyone to see it, keeping his limit, observing her, ensuring her safety.

And the flute in the backdrop of their journey showed the need for Adhi to manage his emotions like wind is managed through the holes of flute to give beautiful music. MP said to Anami become the Krishna. But I feel it is not her, but he will become the Krishna. Blue is the color of Narayan. Neelamegha varna he is called and Adhi was wearing blue.

If you look at hus-wife it is Kali and Shiva but from friendship perspective it is Krishna-Arjuna. And at this point Anami-Adhi relation is friendship

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Posted: 7 years ago
Wonderful analysis Shruthi. But let us see what happens. I want the story to move forward.
Simmi, more than PP I think it is Sat's mad blood in Anami 😊.

U see the reasons: once Anami told take my life give back Laddoo's voice; y'day Sat said call it my zid or my pyar; I'll walk on burning coal;
Anami cut off the tutor's hair; Sat didn't have the patience; she just blasted off goons during Laddoo's kidnapping and that lamp on that madman 😊.And imagine no policewala tehkikaat karta hai! Can we have that for Aam Aadmi ?
Sat jealous of PP when Anami says she alone is her mother; and Anami jealous of Sat when Laddoo used to gel with her.

That's y I related these two.
Vatsalya I really don't know who he has taken after.

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Posted: 7 years ago
Today's episode was a good juxtaposition of 2 mothers.

On one side we have Satrupa: determined, stubborn, and broken. She will do anything to bring Anami back, no matter how illogical. But at the same time she doesn't realize the real reason that Anami left. She blames other (hence the precap). She'll do anything to ensure Anami comes back and she'll punish those who helped Anami run away, but she doesn't realize and understand that she's the root of the problem.

On the other hand is Pagli Pandityan: determined, strong, and trusting. She believes in Anami. Yes she has her moments of weakness, but that's how a mother is. Fiercely protective of her own child. It doesn't matter that Anami wasn't born from her, Anami is hers. She trusts Anami and is strong in that sense as well.

Both mothers' worlds revolve around Anami, but so differently. Satrupa wants to bring Anami back and "imprison" her in her "love". Pagli Pandityan is willing to let Anami go where she wants because she knows her love will protect Anami and a child needs to be free. Notice how I put imprison and love in quotes for Satrupa. Satrupa is possessive. She wants Anami to stay in front of her at all times claiming she loves her daughter, but does she really?

Both mothers are also determined. Satrupa is determined to bring Anami back, Pagli Pandityan is determined to keep Anami safe. Again the difference. Satrupa doesn't care that Anami is in danger in LM. She just wants Anami back because she thinks she can protect Anami. PP just wants the best for Anami and wants her to be safe wherever she goes.

This is the juxtaposition. Two mothers, two different ideals, two different cultural and social backgrounds, two different thinkings, two different personalities. And yet in a way both are right and both are wrong.

Satrupa is right in believing that nothing has happened to Anami and that she'll be back. In this belief she's willing to go as far as needed. Yet everything else is wrong in her thinking. PP is right in thinking that Anami is now safe and she doesn't need to go back to LM to get into trouble again. But she's wrong in thinking that Anami's motive of revenge is right and Anami needs to do as she wants.

Moving on from the mothers, I want to comment on a few other characters today.

  • Baldev - Two things I noted today. First he tried to stop Satrupa from walking on burning coals. That was nicely portrayed. There's concern in his voice, but at the same time he was distant enough to show that while he cares, he still doesn't love Satrupa to hold her back, grab her, stop her madness. I liked how he was close enough to touching her, but still didn't. They don't have that husband-wife relationship and it was nicely portrayed. Second when he saw Anami, there was no shock or anger on his face. It was just surprise, but almost a happy surprise. Somewhere he has come to accept Anami, but he still doesn't say it.
  • Pujan - Ah finally we got a glimpse of the old Pujan babu. I was starting to worry that we would never see the old Pujan again, but today we did. Yes! Yes! Yes! I like Indian villains more than heroes because villains get so much more content and characterization. And I was missing the comical villain Pujan so much. Glad to see him back.
  • Poonam - Even if it was just a smile, the way her face lit up on seeing Anami was so sweet. In this whole family if there's someone who loves Anami and really protects Anami, it's Poonam. I was teary-eyed the day Anami ran away because of Poonam and Narottam, and now mera dil garden garden ho gaya Poonam ki smile dekh kar.

Narottam - I left Narottam to the end because I have so much to say about his brief appearance in the precap today. He said it. He said it! He said it!!!!!!!! Narottam has openly renounced Sudha. This is the perfect timing for it. With Ladoo's kidnapping, Narottam had slowly started to turn on Sudha. Then Purushottam gets killed and Sudha starts scaring Ladoo more and we see Narottam distancing himself from Sudha more. Yesterday he cried thinking Anami was dead and angrily left Sudha, slamming the door in her face when she laughed at Anami's death. Now thinking about his mindset, he's seen the worst of his mother. His mother, who was brought into the house and promised a better life by his younger step-sibling Anami. His mother, who he saw as the victim. His mother, who claimed Narottam and Purushottam are everything for her. Everything he thought about his mother is different from everything he's seen. On the other hand, there's the LM wasis and Anami. They are who they claim to be. Yes LM hates him, but they do so openly. Yes Anami cares for him and she does so openly. There's nothing hidden. When she asked him to sign the paperwork, he saw the pain in her eyes on having to choose one brother over the other. When she ran away he saw the pain etched on her face on having to leave, but he understood it. She's who she said she is. For Narottam to finally come out and renounce Sudha, it's a big step. It means Sudha's days in LM are numbered. There's still a long way for Narottam to go from openly renouncing Sudha to openly revealing her plans and finally proving that Satrupa didn't do anything that Anami blames her for doing, but still he's heading that way. And I'm loving it!

Of all the characters in RKC, I feel the CVs have given the best characterization and character curve to Narottam.
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Posted: 7 years ago
What should I analyse or what should I write. I think I am going in chakravyuhs in tandem with the serial. I am not saying it was bad. It was a nice epi again. But it remains to be seen what kind of revenge Anami is planning. If is in accordance with what her father and today I mean MP says, it would be nice to see how the story shows it. Today it belonged to Pathaks. Absolutely, unconditionally, PP is Anami's mother in the true sense. When she said more than self respect, a mother wants her child, it touched a chord. And how she ultimately relented. Beautiful. And officially, the Pathaks have given their daughter's hand to Adhi dear. 😉.
But Ma-Beti r same. Simmi, Anami also smeared ashes in 1 episode - I don't remember which. So another point of similarity. 😃.
Precap was classic; Both Ma- Beti on fire. Why did she pour water for? To dose the fire on the sari or to say relationship is over? Probably both. And Adhi arrested? Can't blame anyone. After all he did help a minor to run away. Is it Sat's game-plan? I am not sure though it looks like that. Maybe Sudha is instrumental. This is going to agitate Anami more. Let's see. If it is Sat, Anami won't give in now. Probably her turn to blackmail. Which means they r still in this loophole with no exit. I hope they progress the story. If this goes on like this, I'll stop watching.
Another feature of the precap. Narrottam. I am falling in love with this character more and more. Beautiful evolution. No suddeness. Very subtle. And Akash Gill has done an excellent job.
Pujan Babu is just giving facial expressions. And have Kamini and Avdhoot quit the show?
Coming to Gayatri - till yesterday I felt she was manipulating. But today I saw genuine concern for Sat.So y does she hate Narrottam? And I am sure she is the only one who will help Anami find her mother in Sat and Sat realise the true meaning of motherhood. I am not saying she is like PP. She does manipulate, but she cares also. And if she can care for Sat, definitely her love for Anami is genuine if not unconditional.
Anyway, we all r writing; we all r voicing our thoughts; we all r relating to aspects of MB; but even Ved Vyas's MB did not go in the same loophole for months together. There was progress. Will we see it in this serial? Or is it going to be just a revenge saga? Yes. I want justice to prevail and win. But at the end of it, it should be love that is the winner. I know there will be deaths. But please go on with the serial.

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Posted: 7 years ago
A soap that has a gripping story, with evolving characters with a strong protagonist and antagonist becomes interesting to watch.
We have seen the different forms of motherhood...one forced by the status of her marriage to abandon a son whom she uses as a pawn to achieve her revenge. Another who is entrusted the care of another's child to raise as h her own and who later has another to complete her happy family.
She imparts her home spun wisdom is fiercely protective of her daughter and will try her best to convince her of what she thinks is a safe option. She willingly send her son to be the support his sister needs.
Satrupa had 4 children lost 3 and us unable to claim the 4TH having abandoned her at birth and remembered her only when an heir was in demand.
She had been reduced to be the upholder of values of being the annointed child bearer for Lal Mahal. Her purpose for existence has been negated...reduced and she is alone in her struggle by design or by choice.

Baldev had no qualms to look on when his illegitimate son was thrashed. SP on the other hand suggests Anami should not stoop to the level of wrong doers. An eye for an eye is not the course of action he suggests. There's no point in shying away from writing your life story he says.

Dheeru had urged his son to be Krishna. adiraj was requested by Gayathri to protect Anami. He did exactly that in his own way as he thought she was vulnerable and he was attracted to her. Yet like his dad he is framed for something.

The story is beautiful ly poised.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I hope so too, Janas , that we soon cone out of this many layered chakravyuha . It is good that CVS have brought in Pathaks. Without them Satrupa's redemption was impossible.Dhiru also must play a major role hence forth. Only then will RKC progress properly.l
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Posted: 7 years ago
@Janas- I 'm with the nurture camp in the Nature vs nurture debate.

With today's episode and precap ,where the Pandits reinforce their faith in their parvarish "nurture" in Anami and Narrottam turning away from his villainous Mom, I'm curious to see how this will play out.

Coming to episode, i guess Anami became Arjun & Krishna all by herself😆

Is Laddo Balram now?

I'm surprised Pandithayian is spared now.
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Posted: 7 years ago
"There are two things we should give our children, one is roots, the other is wings" is another of my favorite quotes.
Children are not possessions. They are completely whole beings separate from parents with their own thoughts, desires, wants. Parents should guide, not dictate. We saw two different kinds of parents today.

We saw a good mother in Panditayen who did not fall for Anami's blackmail. She drew a line in the sand; And surprise, Anami despite her misgivings did not cross that line. She gave in where her instinct is to think she knows best. She did not trust Panditayen's judgement but she gave in to her fear, her legitimate fear. In return Panditayen when she initially refused to hear anything considered her daughter's wishes, the why she wanted to do that. The line often used is "apni Parvarish pe barosa rakh". It is what my parents have told me. There are places where we cannot go, but we trust the person you have become, the person we raised to make good choices. Panditayen has raised a good daughter, with a mostly good head on her shoulders. She has some bad traits. But the rest of the lessons will be in the school of life. You cannot hold a person back, even the raging Ganges needs a dam to hold and in if there is too much water floods will happen. Panditayen has given her daughter wings.

Roots, our roots are our DNA. Our ancestry. What roots does a person who was given up at birth have ? Her sense of self is badly damaged when she finds out the truth of her birth family. Anami does not want to become Satrupa. But truth is DNA is strong, it gives traits which nurture may not overcome.

What is it about Baldev that attracts crazy women ? Sudha was in the mental hospital, Satrupa is a day away from going. Could this be PTSD ? Grieving Vatsalya so much in her grief she is holding on to the one child she gave birth to, but gave away like a possession, like a possessed woman ? A child that hates her so much, who considers Satrupa capable of killing her parents, hiding her brother and now possibly arresting a very good friend and possible lover ? The list of crimes against Satrupa is long. Who would want roots like that ? But we don't get to choose the family we are born into. But we certainly get to choose the person we become. That is how we break the dysfunctional chain.

Adhi getting arrested. I fully appreciate the reasons he went after Anami, He was almost a savior to them. But the law is law and how can you expect a CBI officer to uphold the law when no one holds him accountable ? Even if Satrupa arrests him in revenge, she is right there. If we are condemning her for Ladoo's hiding even if she had reasons that were sympathetic, we need to condemn Adhiraj too. He broke the law even if he had valid reasons. Wrong is wrong. A good officer will pay the price.

Narottam - Just love him today.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I have a feeling that Sudha has confessed that she was instrumental in the fire at Anami's house and he overheard her. hence the reaction. Am not sure though. But Sat has a tendency to jump without thinking of the consequences and she suffers.
I was just wondering. I think when I delve deeply, I feel I can connect more with Sat than anyone else. But I would not be putting a child's life at risk or threaten with explosives and DEFINITELY NOT walk on burning coal😉. Jokes aside, I don't know if I would do what Sat did. I think Shruthi or Mangothyme had earlier mentioned that Pathaks never had to face harsh realities and hence they need not react like Sat. Yes, y'day, they had to and they took a wise decision. But this is a soap. In real life, would we, at the spur of the moment react wisely? Not everyone; certainly not me. I am not saying I am wicked 😊, but impulse is what comes foremost followed by wisdom after an hour. I really don't. It is just a personal thought. Everyone is different. But, yes, I agree, we would give the freedom to the child while having our unflinching and unwavering attention to it - so that it wouldn't get spoilt; become arrogant and start to think without jumping.
And I have a feeling, that Adhi's arrest may have nothing to do with Sat. There was an earlier epi, where she begs for one chance from Anami. Probably Gayatri is asking Sat to handle Anami carefully and this is what she agrees. (I may be wrong). Probably, she will send Laddoo to the best English school; bail out Adhi from jail and do what Anami likes. And, Anami, will get more suspicious and plan more revenge on her. So we will still be in circles.
I think Dheeru will make an entry now.
Yes Usha, Pathaks were needed and they did full justice.
I just wonder y Anami brought in Laddoo. Probably to show that the foster parents died, but he is safe so as not raise any suspicion. He is still in danger.
BTW, I think all forum members r unanimous in one thing - Narrottam 😊

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