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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#251

Originally posted by: BillyJean.

I have to disagree with this part @mangothyme.
Anami does inspire a fierce loyalty in Poonam, something Satrupa cant buy, true! But Satrupa does inspire the same kind of fierce loyalty in Damu, not because of her money or power. Damu has nothing to gain from Satrupa, yet she is loyal to her, came with her to LM and not having a life of her own. She is there at her own will, as Satrupa's shadow and confidant.

I completely disagree with you on the upbringing aspect. The "gutter khoon" of LM was running in Vataslya's body too. He did not have Paditayen's upbringing but turned out very good IMO.

There is a difference in Damo and Poonam to me. Damo came as dowry with Satrupa. She was probably her maid before she came with Satrupa to her Sasuraal. She gets paid by Satrupa, her rozi roti is Satrupa. So her loyalty is through years.

Poonam gets nothing from Anami. Not her pay nor does she have a history with Anami. It is a relationship a few months. Even before Anami saved her from molestation, Poonam risked all in the DNA test.

In the case of Vatsalya, I believe the gutter khoon of Satrupa and Baldev is mitigated because he was brought up outside in a hostel. He perhaps had friends who taught him empathy. Teachers. He did not grow up in LM, he was sent away. Perhaps that taught him empathy. Avdoot is what Vatsalya would have been had he not been in boarding school I think. You see the gutter khoon in Avdoot.

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dolly

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Posted: 7 years ago

#252

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

Satrupa is harming others in holding on to her child. Her two children, even the one that she was the nicest to ran away. Satrupa has NPD, narcissistic personality disorder in my eyes. She blames everyone for her faults. But the bottom line is her kids ran away directly because of her. No pity from me especially since she harms others.

A fantastic character brilliantly played by a fantastic actress. But she is a horrible person.

i agree wid u

@and abt damo being loyal 2 satrupa its not bcoz of satrupa is sum gem of a prsn but bcoz she came wid her 2 her house as a dowry like in earlier days rich ppl's gals or royals used 2 bring wid them 2 their in laws after mrg. and those servants r loyal 2 them bcoz they ate their salt. but here poonam dint hav anami's salt .its only bcoz of her nature & behaviour which invoked that fierce loyalty in poonam

and yes vatsalya was gud no doubt but his upbringing cudnt make him vocal 2wards injustice.anami has that upbringing that she can raise her voice against injustice even if its against their family. vatsalya cudnt do that. narottam used 2 get scolding & insult in front of him but he never asked his parents not 2 do that 2 him.tho he cud'd asked them & satrupa cud'd done that 4 him as she luved him v.much atleast more than that luv she claims 2 hav 4 anami.

edit- OMG manothyme i'd also written same wat u wrote above

but yes i will clear i also dont believe in blood etc much.i also believe in gud upbringing can change any1

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#253

Originally posted by: Athene

Agreed here. Satrupa is who she is. This has nothing to do with her blood. Look at the house. This very LM gutter khoon runs in Narottam and while he started off as hating LM, he's slowly turned towards Anami. Vatsalya like you pointed out BillyJean comes from this very gutter khoon. Anami comes from this gutter khoon yet look at her. Then look at Pujan, Kamini, and Avdhoot. It's not the blood that defines you, it's your actions.

I've always been a strong proponent of nurture vs. nature. Someone with "clean" blood could be raised in a murderer's house and become a murderer himself/herself. But someone with "dirty" blood could be raised in that same house and still come out a clean person. It has to do with the nurturing. If the murderer parent teaches their child how to murder and that's all the child sees around them when they grow up then they'll go down that path. But if that same parent raises their child teaching them murder but the society is different, that child will grow up completely different because they'll question their parent.

Also I don't like what Satrupa did here, but this is actually what she has become with Anami running away. I was wrong yesterday to say that she's going from LM bahu to mother. No. She's going from LM bahu to the old Vikram. Ruthless, heartless, and everything is only about respect and honor. That's what Satrupa is becoming. Brutal. But she still has the LM bahu and the mother hidden somewhere in her. That's why Daamo is still there, loyal to her.

There is a Sherlock Holmes story, the Copper Beeches. The servants go against the master to protect the helpless daughter. They help her run away. The master gets hurt badly in the bargain but the servants still remain in the house because they know too may secrets. My guess is Damo is like that. She knows too many secrets about Satrupa and has participated in many herself. That is why she is there in one way IMO. I am a total Satrupa hater today 😆

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BillyJean.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#254

Originally posted by: Athene

Agreed here. Satrupa is who she is. This has nothing to do with her blood. Look at the house. This very LM gutter khoon runs in Narottam and while he started off as hating LM, he's slowly turned towards Anami. Vatsalya like you pointed out BillyJean comes from this very gutter khoon. Anami comes from this gutter khoon yet look at her. Then look at Pujan, Kamini, and Avdhoot. It's not the blood that defines you, it's your actions.

I've always been a strong proponent of nurture vs. nature. Someone with "clean" blood could be raised in a murderer's house and become a murderer himself/herself. But someone with "dirty" blood could be raised in that same house and still come out a clean person. It has to do with the nurturing. If the murderer parent teaches their child how to murder and that's all the child sees around them when they grow up then they'll go down that path. But if that same parent raises their child teaching them murder but the society is different, that child will grow up completely different because they'll question their parent.

Also I don't like what Satrupa did here, but this is actually what she has become with Anami running away. I was wrong yesterday to say that she's going from LM bahu to mother. No. She's going from LM bahu to the old Vikram. Ruthless, heartless, and everything is only about respect and honor. That's what Satrupa is becoming. Brutal. But she still has the LM bahu and the mother hidden somewhere in her. That's why Daamo is still there, loyal to her.

Totally agree Athene, I was seriously shocked and did not like Satrupa's action today. She is getting more ruthless and heartless with Anami's running away. She has done this with criminals and Pujan, that was pardonable, but this was very cruel. The way Satrupa is going maa-beti redemption is very far away.😆

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MaccharMinion

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Posted: 7 years ago

#255

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

There is a Sherlock Holmes story, the Copper Beeches. The servants go against the master to protect the helpless daughter. They help her run away. The master gets hurt badly in the bargain but the servants still remain in the house because they know too may secrets. My guess is Damo is like that. She knows too many secrets about Satrupa and has participated in many herself. That is why she is there in one way IMO. I am a total Satrupa hater today 😆

True but in Copper Beaches they also stayed on because of the wife partially. It was only the husband (his name slips my mind right now) who was the true devil. The wife was involved in it, but when the husband was mauled she could have left him. But she stayed on and nursed him. The servants might have stayed on for two reasons: (1) they knew too many secrets, and (2) they were loyal to the wife. Plus they helped the girl escape because the female servant was more loyal to the daughter and her birth mother than this new couple. In one version of Copper Beaches she said it herself: she owed this much to her late mistress.

I just don't see Daamo staying on for just mere secrets or money or because she was part of Satrupa's dahej. Daamo isn't scared of Satrupa, she's Satrupa's equal. If anything she's scared of the family at times.

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Usha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#256

I hope Panditayan does not die too. But there is a strong possibility that she does. That will make Anami comeback with fire . She will stop at nothing to burn satrupa and her fort LM. In the process she also will learn the full truth about Sudha. Where will this leave Narottam?Because , In Anami's absence he has some chance of becoming the heir,

Sudha will hope to take Satrupa's place, Again I come to the question How?because , she has to be accepted by Gayatri and Vikram too.

Shruthi your theory of Lakshagrih seems plausible. A maya was created in Mahabhrath making every one believd somthat pandavas had died. They surfaced again at swayamwara. Something akin to it might happen here too.

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#257

Originally posted by: Athene

True but in Copper Beaches they also stayed on because of the wife partially. It was only the husband (his name slips my mind right now) who was the true devil. The wife was involved in it, but when the husband was mauled she could have left him. But she stayed on and nursed him. The servants might have stayed on for two reasons: (1) they knew too many secrets, and (2) they were loyal to the wife. Plus they helped the girl escape because the female servant was more loyal to the daughter and her birth mother than this new couple. In one version of Copper Beaches she said it herself: she owed this much to her late mistress.

I just don't see Daamo staying on for just mere secrets or money or because she was part of Satrupa's dahej. Daamo isn't scared of Satrupa, she's Satrupa's equal. If anything she's scared of the family at times.

Agreed about the Copper Beeches. But I still stand with the analogy of #1 more than #2. They knew too many secrets. The servant man especially was not so clean in CB.

In case of Damo, participation is a big part of it IMO.it is not a clean loyalty like Poonam. Anami has nohing to give Poonam while the clothes on Damo's back are Satrupa's. I am not articulating it well, but will Damo put herself in danger if tortured like Satrupa did to Poonam today or will she sing like a canary ? I am not sure Damo will risk as much as Poonam did today. Her family works for LM too, her dad is sick yet Poonam was silent. Damo will not do that I feel.

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BillyJean.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#258

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

There is a difference in Damo and Poonam to me. Damo came as dowry with Satrupa. She was probably her maid before she came with Satrupa to her Sasuraal. She gets paid by Satrupa, her rozi roti is Satrupa. So her loyalty is through years.

Poonam gets nothing from Anami. Not her pay nor does she have a history with Anami. It is a relationship a few months. Even before Anami saved her from molestation, Poonam risked all in the DNA test.

In the case of Vatsalya, I believe the gutter khoon of Satrupa and Baldev is mitigated because he was brought up outside in a hostel. He perhaps had friends who taught him empathy. Teachers. He did not grow up in LM, he was sent away. Perhaps that taught him empathy. Avdoot is what Vatsalya would have been had he not been in boarding school I think. You see the gutter khoon in Avdoot.

I agree that Damu is paid by Satrupa, but her loyalty doesn't come from that. She would take a bullet for Satrupa, that doesn't come from being paid but from the friendship & togetherness they have shared from childhood days. The reason I say this is what Satrupa said about Poonam being for Anami what Damu was for her. Also if you remember, when Poonam brought Anami to her room on the day she entered LM, she told her that everyone in LM has a shadow and that she was to be Anami's shadow. She did not even know Anami's good nature at that time, but being in LM had set that expectation that she had to be that for Anami what Damu was for Sat and Hira Singh for Baldev.

As Athene has stated, I completely disagree with the Khoon influence on one's behavior and actions. If at all, Vatsalya was greatly influence by his mother.

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MaccharMinion

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Posted: 7 years ago

#259

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

In case of Damo, participation is a big part of it IMO.it is not a clean loyalty like Poonam. Anami has nohing to give Poonam while the clothes on Damo's back are Satrupa's. I am not articulating it well, but will Damo put herself in danger if tortured like Satrupa did to Poonam today or will she sing like a canary ? I am not sure Damo will risk as much as Poonam did today. Her family works for LM too, her dad is sick yet Poonam was silent. Damo will not do that I feel.

Here I agree with you and disagree with you BillyJean. But it's not because Daamo has less loyalty then Poonam. It's because by nature Daamo cares more for herself. If you think back to the Purushottam track, she stood behind Satrupa when Purushottam pointed the gun. Yes Satrupa stepped forward, but if she had wanted she could have come in front again. Not only that, but she was also ready to speak as well. But at the same time it's her loyalty that kept her from telling LM wasis anything about Anami. She only spoke up when Satrupa was being questioned.

Poonam, on the other hand, is both fearless and loyal. She willingly bore Satrupa's torture, but didn't reveal anything. And that's both courage and loyalty.

This is where Anami and Satrupa differ. Both have loyal shadows, but here Anami treated Poonam as an equal, as a sister, as a friend. Satrupa, on the other hand, has always treated Daamo as just a shadow, someone to bounce ideas off of. Daamo is Satrupa's equal, but only when it comes to plans. Poonam is Anami's equal everywhere.

However, I still feel that Daamo is with Satrupa out of loyalty. Yes, money and fear are part of it, but they can only tie a person down for so long. Since Anami has ran away Daamo has seen another side of Satrupa and yet she's not scared, she does not leave. Anyone else in her place, if only kept there by money and fear would have left by now or at least started retaliating. And in today's day and age, knowing secrets is enough to keep someone tied down. At least in my view.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#260

Guys power of lm has to come out in all glory before it can be taken down. Satrupa is that power. Guardian of lm. Protector of its ways.unless she comes out ruthlessly u can't take lm down. For that at first mother in her has to go and the woman who wants victory has to emerge. It is not abt son daughter anymore. It is about satrupa and her victory. She is going to burn ppl loyal to anami to get control on her.and anami will have to fight back. For that she needs power. This is the game of power and we need to see how and when it tilts.