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Posted: 11 years ago
#51
Res :) I need to first read all of it from the beginning again. A kid can't absorb all the meanings at a first read. :D Accepted the fact ! Will be back soon.
Edited by AlwyzT. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52
Reading this is turning out to be an educational experience. I learn about new concepts, paradoxes, and even the occasional French word (ebeniste!). :P
K's response to Arnav's 'regression to the mean' comment is telling. About their characters, I mean. He seems to believe that increased systematisation has unnecessarily complicated otherwise simple human responses, and she counters that it is the human response to a system which is fraught with complexity and unpredictability. Perhaps both responses, instead of being 'right' or 'wrong', meet each other halfway.

"The difference lies in being an ebeniste and assembling an IKEA product. "

Or perhaps between being an artist and being a critic. One stretches the boundaries of the system, so to speak, and the other strives to evaluate/use the artwork in order to assimilate it into an existing system, even if it means creating new space for it. Until one day no one even realises that the new has become the old, or more correctly, systematic. Yeah, that's the world for you.

A also seems to have a slim romantic streak in there. And gold points to K for the humour. Really, she should make good on that threat and give him a tutorial on erotica. Oh, now I miss this crazy FF with a crazy Khushi which someone left midway. :(


PS: I hereby christen this the most-difficult-to-write-comments-for FF. Uff. I feel safer quoting poetry. :P

PPS: K's novel-reading habits reminded me of my recently finished "The Fault in our Stars". Bawl-worthiest book ever.

PPPS: Re: the signature. Woman,are you trying to recruit people into the Teen Wolf fanclub now? 😳
Edited by StripePurple - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
This entire exchange between Khushi and Arnav reminded me (pleasantly) of what my former startup partner and I spent hours debating when we were deciding what it is we don't want our organization to be - basically we didnt want it to be the organization we worked for!!

And I have been a Khushi all the way. I don't deny that the system, the processes actually are meant for structure and balance, for the entire group /sect / society to progress at the expense of the individual who heads thedesign, the one who breaks through the current system,changes the curve and makes that step jump that should be classified rightly as a disruptor except it is more positive than the term implies

And just as I typed the above, I realize that evolution, nature has always taught us only balance. So while I am with Khushi when she raves the system that makes things simpler, pulls the below average up and helps progress for the whole, I cannot help but realize that if it were not about people - those innovators, the above average minds - then the path to the next big leap wouldn't exist. The roles are clear - people to break through and find the "better" and system to ensure that the better permeates to everyone, even those who could never perceive the better in their entire lifetime if left to themselves.

Does the above sound like a rationalization? Maybe it is but I feel insanely better to know that chaos and order must exist together.

GTH - Imagine me giving you a heartfelt hug for writing this and forcing me to think . Some days I feel like my brain is just rotting away. (What has life come to if one must rejoice even a couple of minutes of coherent (??) thought?)
Edited by meera30 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54
'You had me' at red plump lips! :)
Is it possible to feel a spike in joy when you encounter a writing by an author you accidentally found on the forum? Whose writing resonates with the cadence of your thought?
Is is possible to be infatuated by the characters you create?

Well, greenteaholic, You had me at "a simple story".. :)

---Mirabell
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Posted: 11 years ago
#55
How strange to miss fictional folk, How strange is it to want to meet your Arnav and Khushi? Wonder if they are willing to join us for a friday evening beer at the local pub, hmmm. Well what can I say, it has become difficult to stay unattached and unmoved by your characters, ergo - your writing.
So, if systems normalize, what about outliers?

Words dont compromise, contexts do.. how true..
If contexts compromise, then interpreters plead guilty..
And meanings have last laughs!! :)

--Mirabell
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: amaypranay

Wow...this is golden!

Dictionary is in our hands...Intent and words, we confuse them often, what are our intentions and what we say and what we finally do..the end result is nearly what we thought!
If only it could be as simple and life could be a podium where intentions (that are a key point) don't get manipulated by words! And then we blame words..

Khushi wow..you and Mr CEO, have lots to discuss! Maybe during coffee...



They would do much more than coffee. Its unclear as to why they are writing instead of talking.

Unfortunately its not possible not to manipulate words. The contradictions between actions and promises lie with words. Its in context where meaning gets manipulated and mutated into a different entity thus marring what the word truly means. But then again its true with everything in this nature, isn't it? Nothing is really good or bad. They take that behavior from the context they exists in.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: StripePurple

Reading this is turning out to be an educational experience. I learn about new concepts, paradoxes, and even the occasional French word (ebeniste!). :P

K's response to Arnav's 'regression to the mean' comment is telling. About their characters, I mean. He seems to believe that increased systematization has unnecessarily complicated otherwise simple human responses, and she counters that it is the human response to a system which is fraught with complexity and unpredictability. Perhaps both responses, instead of being 'right' or 'wrong', meet each other halfway.

"The difference lies in being an ebeniste and assembling an IKEA product. "

Or perhaps between being an artist and being a critic. One stretches the boundaries of the system, so to speak, and the other strives to evaluate/use the artwork in order to assimilate it into an existing system, even if it means creating new space for it. Until one day no one even realises that the new has become the old, or more correctly, systematic. Yeah, that's the world for you.

A also seems to have a slim romantic streak in there. And gold points to K for the humor. Really, she should make good on that threat and give him a tutorial on erotica. Oh, now I miss this crazy FF with a crazy Khushi which someone left midway. :(


PS: I hereby christen this the most-difficult-to-write-comments-for FF. Uff. I feel safer quoting poetry. :P

PPS: K's novel-reading habits reminded me of my recently finished "The Fault in our Stars". Bawl-worthiest book ever.

PPPS: Re: the signature. Woman,are you trying to recruit people into the Teen Wolf fanclub now? 😳



Nah, not recruiting to TW fan club. :-) I love that dialogue from movie especially the deflection that comes so automatically to Stiles. Given the content am on, seems proper to use that :=)

I am tired of these bawl inducing

Shouldn't this story be more easier to write comments for? The characters are fairly simple and straightforward and they talk most generic stuff possible. More like debate than argument I suppose.

The new becoming the old - happens all the time. Evolution is the best-est example for that. Thus there is always a struggle by a section of society that's happily undergoing the said change. That struggle is what Arnav is going through or has gone through to see the problems with it while Khushi sees the advantages of the said change.
True, Arnav is more romantic than Khushi. That's evident in the way he looks at things or how he articulates.

Maybe aunty Khushi should reply with few lines of erotica as a sample next time :-)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: meera30

This entire exchange between Khushi and Arnav reminded me (pleasantly) of what my former startup partner and I spent hours debating when we were deciding what it is we don't want our organization to be - basically we didnt want it to be the organization we worked for!!

And I have been a Khushi all the way. I don't deny that the system, the processes actually are meant for structure and balance, for the entire group /sect / society to progress at the expense of the individual who heads the design, the one who breaks through the current system,changes the curve and makes that step jump that should be classified rightly as a disruptor except it is more positive than the term implies

And just as I typed the above, I realize that evolution, nature has always taught us only balance. So while I am with Khushi when she raves the system that makes things simpler, pulls the below average up and helps progress for the whole, I cannot help but realize that if it were not about people - those innovators, the above average minds - then the path to the next big leap wouldn't exist. The roles are clear - people to break through and find the "better" and system to ensure that the better permeates to everyone, even those who could never perceive the better in their entire lifetime if left to themselves.

Does the above sound like a rationalization? Maybe it is but I feel insanely better to know that chaos and order must exist together.

GTH - Imagine me giving you a heartfelt hug for writing this and forcing me to think . Some days I feel like my brain is just rotting away. (What has life come to if one must rejoice even a couple of minutes of coherent (??) thought?)



Yes, nature has taught us balance and nature always ensures even with the sudden influx of anomalies because of change, it ensures that they all even out either by absorbing them or completely rejecting the spark of change.
Like how appendix used to be a prominent organ to digest raw hard meat back when we were eating what was in front of us. But civilization happened and the early man learned how to cook. So appendix didn't have much job to do and after several centuries, it just became an unused pouch in lower stomach. Nature normalizes spaces and utilization gradually. (Thank you Grey's Anatomy for yet another lesson.)

You put it perfectly. The said "better" comes and gets absorbed by the system and unknowingly people adapt around it. See how social media has permeated all our lives while only decade ago there were many turning their noses up against it.

Chaos and order always exist side by side in equal proportions. In a situation where one sees chaos other seems to find order in it because in chaos they thrive. Order and chaos become nothing but perceptions :-)

I used to Arnav once upon a time and then I realized Khushi's perspective. It was hard way to realize such a thing and came with a great cost but it was a much needed lesson.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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4. Its not every time when people talk they converse. Sometimes talking is just exchange of words that rarely transcend to a fully formulated memory. Conversations are left dangling or unattended for years till a word triggers the left off point and two people pick it up exactly where they left off. New memories wrap around old and cocoon it with newer senses. Isn't that a wonderful thing?

Isn't coming up with a catchy phrase for a paradox, is a paradox in itself given how it's a miracle? You seem to embrace irony easily and at the same time back stab it when it
turns its back on you. Its clever and absolutely hilarious to watch when it bites you back
in the ass when you are least expecting. It feels like you are in this reality show and
the show's creator has suddenly given a twist that the audience never saw it coming. The track that follows the twist keeps us glued to the entertaining world of one and only: Ms. Gupta. On that note, I have to say, we seem to have developed an unhealthy obsession over reality television shamelessly ignoring the nudges by evolution telling us that it isn't okay to consciously accept voyeurism as entertainment. But then again Ms. Gupta, we are a tainted bunch. It doesn't matter how low we stoop and change moral boundaries just so some people are entertained and some fed. In an industry like ours, we hide behind grand gestures; like corporate social responsibility.

We undermine talent on one hand and on the other do a mandatory cut on salaries by channeling the cash to a non-profit organization aiming to educated children. The intent is in its right place but the execution is not. Its saddening that we don't bother to ask if the employee is willing to donate to a charity. Its always assumed that a person would never say "no" to help people in need. We forgot the basic decency to ask that. I am sure they wouldn't have minded but its still polite, yeah? We robbed them of their choice by taking a moral high ground and blatantly disregarding their personal wish to donate to the said organization in the first place. We take for granted, slowly ignoring the social norms that our ancestors fought against their imperative to establish and maintain has started seeping out of ironed suits and glossy heels. Or has humanity all this while simply hid it better?

We have stopped asking things, we have started to presume. We have stopped listening to others, we simply assume. We have stopped conversing yet we seem to have zillions of tools and gadgets to communicate. We talk but we don't have a conversation. We use words liberally but they are simply adjectives and verbs and pronouns mashed together in a bucket and thrown without bothering about the consequences. These "talks" don't matter anymore. The likes of people are discovered on social media and is discussed about in yet another medium. Its become hard to simply sit down, order a cup of tea and awkwardly begin a conversation that could potentially last for a lifetime or fizzle out three weeks later. But you are there in the moment listening to the person talk amidst cacophony of waiters yelling their orders, patrons talking on mundane stuff and the noises from the busy street outside. The memory is more concrete and is decorated by smells and noises and people.

Isn't it odd? Conversations used to involve much more than few lines read on cellphone or laptop. Sometimes there was paper involved. There were senses involved. There were strangers involved. There were places involved. Now it all seems so...lonely, you know? We constantly exchange emails but we remember only bits and pieces of them because we know we can always go back to them and re-read. We remember we have email but we don't remember what it contains.
We have become more interested in taking a picture in front of a monument and uploading for all our friends to see than understanding the story behind the monument.

Everything we do is becoming an archival process of our life than actually enjoying the moments living it. There is an incessant need to prove to people we are happy and amazing. We need to keep doing things constantly to portray an active and exciting life. Our flaws
are Photoshopped or glossed over other interesting details we believe we have. Isn't what we have enough? Isn't being myself enough?

When conversations become memories, words become triggers for future. A lone word can spark an endearing memory or can start a war. So Thank you for starting this coversation with me Ms. Gupta. I don't know what I want in life. I don't know what I would want to do three years from now. But I sure want to keep conversing with you.

Yeah?

Oh and something just for you:

Words and sounds flows undercurrent
the subtext of which is never apparent.
Memories and dreams merge into one
when the moment we are under comes undone.

PS: Another trinket. Boo yah.

PPS: No erotica. Especially from you. Please no. God no!

PPPS: Next time take a fresh paper from printer will you? Did you really have to steal one of Payal's sketches and write on its back? She will have your skin you know. I am totally blaming you if I get caught with it.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Res

It is ironical - and yes irony has a way of biting one in the ass - that I am late to this part of the conversation. What can I say - I was trying to find the perfect moment when I would be free of all else and hence be able to respond to this as meaningfully as it deserves to be read. Now if that isn't the loss of spontaneity and conversation, I don't know what is

We are strangely in the age where conversations don't matter. Most social networking sites don't claim to help conversation either, to be fair. They are all "self" tools - they are there to help "me" tell the world, how I feel, how I look, what I do, what I achieved. And it gives me the luxury of time to arrange my emotions, pick my best face, decide what I did that was exciting enough to be shared,...

Yes, we have lost the art of conversation. All we care about it is how many "likes" our post on FB gets, how many times our tweet is retweeted, how many followers we have on our blog, how many people are waiting with bated breath for what we have to say.

Maybe our gene pool always had a narcissism gene and we have finally found the way to feed that!

What can I say - I miss the cafes, the phone calls that lasted forever and talked. Really talked.

And yet, I shamelessly admit that this is easy, this is comfortable. It doesn't make me choose between people I want to talk to - I can juggle, it doesn't make me step out of my comfort zone. Yes, I think like most progress, it has made my life easy and when has easy EVER been enriching and meaningful?

So maybe in a strange way, I must say thank you to you, GTH for this conversation you have started. Three years from now, I would still love to keep doing this. Yes, indeed

Edited by meera30 - 11 years ago

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