Is Coloner Abyankar a real leader?

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@bugsbunny12

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Posted: 10 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: dey.bh
Hey bugs ! Great point ...
Yes, I don' think a girl can carry people if required. One from defence background could have done but all Anjali has is one month training. Climbing yourself and carrying other person's weight is a different situation.Whether it is discrimination or not I don't know but Akash here is a better choice. Gender thing of course has its own limitations.

Yaar no one complained when Colonel admitted her although she was late for the admission. The same man was a gentleman. Now all of a sudden we question his leadership qualities. Its unfair too.

Thanxx debs...😃

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 10 years ago

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@bugsbunny see that is the whole point. As gentlemen they decided about Anjali's safety. Unfortunately being gentlemen is where the whole gender discrimination start in the first place. As gentlemen we did this for your safety. As father, as husband this control is for your safety. Where is the woman's choice if she want to do something, she doesn't mind risking her life.

One more thing our mythology calls Goddess Parvati "Shakthi" that means power. To tell a woman is less stronger than a man is an insult to the reverence given to her as Shakthi. A woman's mental power is much stronger than that of a man and we all know " Everything happens in the mind". Impossible feats happen when determination takes over. It is just because woman are told again and again they are Abhla they don't realize their inner power or strength whatever you want to call it. Once she realizes it no man can match her or conquer her unless she allows him.

@dey a good leader takes decision based on need I agree. Between Aakash and Anjali by giving more importance to Anjali's safety than that of Aakash colonel for me has proved he is not above gender bias and which is not a good mark for a great leader.

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@bugsbunny12

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Posted: 10 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@bugsbunny see that is the whole point. As gentlemen they decided about Anjali's safety. Unfortunately being gentlemen is where the whole gender discrimination start in the first place. As gentlemen we did this for your safety. As father, as husband this control is for your safety. Where is the woman's choice if she want to do something, she doesn't mind risking her life.
One more thing our mythology calls Goddess Parvati "Shakthi" that means power. To tell a woman is less stronger than a man is an insult to the reverence given to her as Shakthi. A woman's mental power is much stronger than that of a man and we all know " Everything happens in the mind". Impossible feats happen when determination takes over. It is just because woman are told again and again they are Abhla they don't realize their inner power or strength whatever you want to call it. Once she realizes it no man can match her or conquer her unless she allows him.

@dey a good leader takes decision based on need I agree. Between Aakash and Anjali by giving more importance to Anjali's safety than that of Aakash colonel for me has proved he is not above gender bias and which is not a good mark for a great leader.

Well said shruti 👏
ur brave enough to say that women should not take benefit of gender discrimination if they are not prepared to face limitations of it...excellent

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dey.bh

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Posted: 10 years ago

#24

Now don't connect it to mythology. If you do I will ask you why Sita had to be rescued by Rama and why could not she save herself. While Parvati is the adi shakti there are times when Lord Shiva had to open his third eye.

Lets talk about logic. Women and men are like lock and key. Each are important on their own way. We need mental strength at times but we need physical strength at times.

In Ralph waldo Emerson's words, ' Talents differ; all is well and wisely put. If I cannot carry forests on my back, neither can you break a nut'

So said the squirrel to the mountain. So when we need to carry forests we need the mountain and when we need to break a nut we need the squirrel. Here, we primarily need the physical strength. So what's the big deal here ?

Got to go now. Bye.

Edited by dey.bh - 10 years ago

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Aditi

@bright_star89

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Posted: 10 years ago

#25

Thats true dey.

I actually saw the repeat and realised there is no big deal logically. All this is done to magnify and glorify anjali's struggle to evetest as an epic journey...😛 nothing else...

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 10 years ago

#26

Thank you dey for asking me that question. Let us not compare to apple to orange. Sita was taken unawares by Ravan and before she realized what happened to her she was airborne. Then she was alone in a place heavily guarded. No one can fight a war on their own. They need support and allies. Comparing a lonely lady's situation to that of a girl who wants to be part of a team is unwarranted.

Each one has unique talent but physical strength and mental strength is not talent it is inherent in different people in different way. If you say a woman cannot go to a place physical strength is needed what about scores of woman in police force, farming( Farming needs physical strength) construction business( Have you see woman taking loads of bricks on their heads on their own). Even mountaineering and in rescue missions woman are there. Woman work in mines and do well in score of other profession like engineering where the so called physical strength is required. If woman cant go to places where physical strength is important then woman cannot perform many of the above mentioned roles. They should be doing the traditional jobs of doctors or teachers.

Telling physical strength is the criteria for choosing Aakash over Anjali defeats the whole purpose of the show in the first place.

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dey.bh

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Posted: 10 years ago

#27

exactly. Shruti. Dont compare apple to oranges. Why quote Parvati example then

Also I didnt say it for all women. I made it clear that she doesnt have adequate training that police,farming or construction workers have. You cannot say you and me can do farming or construction only because we both are women and there are some women who did it easily.

Men do have it nsturally in most of the case. Thats why we send men during war. Do you think women organisation didnt think that women dont have equal opportunities in the indian army?

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 10 years ago

#28

I mentioned Shakthi because men think woman are to be protected, but the fact is that through calling Parvathi Shakthi it is said that woman can fight along side man if needed. She is not abhla as everytime she is called.

She can also protect a man. We have discussed this aspect of woman n times in EHT forum. Woman's safety need not be decided by man if she is willing to fight and is capable. That is my whole point of mentioning Shakthi.

Sita was in a prison, so is Shivanad in Mahakumbh. Irresective of man or woman it is difficult to escape from a heavily guarded place without help. Just because Sita ended up in Ravan's custody doesn't mean she was a weak woman. She was strong in her own way else she wouldn't have survived the forest life for 13 years.

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dey.bh

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Posted: 10 years ago

#29

Shruti my whole point is that lets not talk about mythology here. Its a complicated subject.

I want Anjali to be treated as just one individual instead taking her as an example of woman race. Phsycial capacity in women needs be to be trained. Men would be able to a certain things rather easily. Its the natural instinct.

I never said woman cannot go for rescue mission. In fact women can do what Colonel is doing now that is to say lead the expedition. Women are never abla and it has nothing to do with the rescue mission.

No one complained about discrimination when Colonel allowed admission or took her along for the expedition. Wasn't he playing the emotional card then ? Why no one complained ?

Everyone is thinking from Anjalis POV. Why no one thinks from Colonel or Akash's point of view ? Colonel is the leader. How will he explain why he took 9 people when 8 was enough ? The same woman organisation will tear him into pieces that he didn't care for the girl's life during the expedition. Her father is already accusing him. Don't forget they are in a different country. What if it invites another trouble ?

I always maintain there are tricky situations in life where both the choices have equal impact. This is just one of them.

@ Bright star : Problem here is we all hate for what Jagat thinks about Anjali and other women. SO practical or impractical we want Anjali to do everything and anything.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 10 years ago

#30

@dey the point was always between Aakash and Anjali. It is about subtle prejudice or shall I say soft prejudice compared to Jagat's hard prejudice. For me safety is not enough reason to choose between Aakash and Anjali.

There need to have been a stronger reason else it is subtle prejudice of gender. When more or less everything is equal between a man and a woman. And a woman has proven herself in climbing better than the man still in a situation a man is preferred over her, yes I treat it as a subtle gender prejudice.

Now what will happen. She is alone there. Thinking it is her gender that has kept her here. As Pallavi said let us say she embark on a suicide mission for proving herself throwing all caution to wind. As fury is building inside her against the discrimination as a girl. And if she dies or something serious happens to her.

Yes to the outside world colonel can tell she disobeyed his instructions and escape. But what about his conscience will it ever forgive him for taking the decision for leaving her alone. He wanted her safety but she wanted Everest and in her quest to reach Everest she sacrificed her safety.

It's a show we can say Anjali will succeed, nothing bad will happen to her. But to scores of girls out there Anjali's situation is faced day in day out. Soft discrimination. Believe me it hurts and it hurts like anything when you feel your gender is being discriminated against. And some take drastic self destructive steps also.

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