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pallavi25

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: dey.bh
First of all I fail to understand how a rescue mission is possible. If it was possible why Nepal authorities don't have any option for that ?
I know from moral point of view its a great thing, is it applicable practically ? I mean during Uttarakhand flood disaster people saw people dying before their eyes. Some dead bodies were never recovered because it meant risking few other lives.

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Geneva Spur (where Nasir and his men are trapped) is above 24,000 feet.

Colonel told Roongta before that it was practically impossible to land a helicopter in those altitudes.

I know army helicopters and planes land in high places like Siachen glacier but Everest (or Geneva Spur) would be inaccessible even for helicopters at altitudes of 20,000 and above.

Besides, sending for help from Nepal Govt is not feasible, Nepal Govt. sending a rescue team would take time, at least a few days. Whereas Colonel's team is right there at base camp and they could start out right away to rescue the Danish team.

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dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Common bright star! Did you actually mean that ?

Every human soul on land is responsibility of the govt and they will have to help if they can be helped. Pepple who were stuck in Uttarakhand were on private visits either but rescuing htem was a responsibilty of the Govt only.

Govt doesn't save people on Govt duty alone. My question is if such rescue operations are possible then why Govt has no option for that ?

@ Pallavi: yes they were the toppers but Colonel did mention Akash as one of the best so I count it as second best or close to the first one. I said probably they were close which made Colonel say it openly. What I mean is that we should not think from Anjali's perspective only. I admit there was gender discrimination but that doesn't make Akash a bad choice. Akash has his own reasons to be the right choice.

More people and more danger. I don't think both should have gone there. Either one had to go.

I didn't mean the Nepal authorities should do it now . I asked why there is no such provision if rescue operations are possible?

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pallavi25

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: dey.bh

@ Pallavi: yes they were the toppers but Colonel did mention Akash as one of the best so I count it as second best or close to the first one. I said probably they were close which made Colonel say it openly. What I mean is that we should not think from Anjali's perspective only. I admit there was gender discrimination but that doesn't make Akash a bad choice. Akash has his own reasons to be the right choice.

More people and more danger. I don't think both should have gone there. Either one had to go.

I didn't mean the Nepal authorities should do it now . I asked why there is no such provision if rescue operations are possible?

I am thinking abt it from the POV of fairness and unfairness. You know it was really unfair of Colonel to leave only Anjali behind although he knows shes a really good and talented climber!

He knows this is her last chance at trying for the summit. He knows the whole thing abt her dad's attitude and her determination. Why is he underestimating Anjali just because shes a girl? That makes him no better than Jagat!

By the time rescue team returns from Geneva Spur, it will be too late to climb again to the summit because summer will be over soon. So Anjali wont get the chance to go at all. Under these circumstances it was really wrong of Colonel to leave her behind.

Anyway, Anjali will go up on her own as shown in the 1st episode and she can show her thenga to Colonel then...😆

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dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Leaving AKash alone would have been a fair thing to do ? In this way admitting a girl after the admissions were over was a gender discrimination. We were told Colonel is a strict man. Then why did he admit her ?

Sometimes topper don't get the job whereas others get it. You cannot judge it this way. Sometimes thre is no right or wrong choice. I take the situation that way only.

Since you say it is a TV show, what if Colonel is keeping the best as a stand by. The team might need her in the base camp. In a team everyone matters.

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pallavi25

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: dey.bh

Leaving AKash alone would have been a fair thing to do ? In this way admitting a girl after the admissions were over was a gender discrimination. We were told Colonel is a strict man. Then why did he admit her ?

Sometimes topper don't get the job whereas others get it. You cannot judge it this way. Sometimes thre is no right or wrong choice. I take the situation that way only.

Since you say it is a TV show, what if Colonel is keeping the best as a stand by. The team might need her in the base camp. In a team everyone matters.

Why couldnt he take both Akash and Anjali along? They are going very close to the summit, they can even try to reach summit from there, after rescuing Nasir and his men of course.

What purpose would Anjali serve at base camp? 😕 Shes neither a weather expert nor a communication expert. Shes expert at climbing and that skill could have helped in rescue mission.

Its obvious Colonel left Anjali behind because of gender bias.

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dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Pallavi, is that notion for a Tv show alone ? If thats the thing then I give up.

But rescue operation logically means bring the victims down to the base camp and not continuing the expedition further . Why should he take one extra person which according to all is a suicide mission ? He needed eight people and he has it. To prove he is not biased he should risk another person's life ? Eight people die or nine people die ? Which one is better according to you ?

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pallavi25

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: dey.bh

Pallavi, is that notion for a Tv show alone ? If thats the thing then I give up.

But rescue operation logically means bring the victims down to the base camp and not continuing the expedition further . Why should he take one extra person which according to all is a suicide mission ? He needed eight people and he has it. To prove he is not biased he should risk another person's life ? Eight people die or nine people die ? Which one is better according to you ?

If they wont continue to the summit, then how will Arjun reach the sarpech?

Basically Colonel took everyone else except for Anjali...why wouldnt she feel horrible abt it? After all the waiting and anticipation?

How much difference between 8 people and 9 people? Just one girl...and that is the sole reason he didnt take her. If he can risk Akash's life, then why is Anjali different? Just gender, right?

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dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: pallavi25

If they wont continue to the summit, then how will Arjun reach the sarpech?
Basically Colonel took everyone else except for Anjali...why wouldnt she feel horrible abt it? After all the waiting and anticipation?
How much difference between 8 people and 9 people? Just one girl...and that is the sole reason he didnt take her. If he can risk Akash's life, then why is Anjali different? Just gender, right?

@ bold: A good leader cannot think that way dear. It makes a lot of difference. A difference of one living soul. I don't think adding another member was a good idea when they need only eight. They had to leave either of the two behind. Unfortunately its Anjali. It would have been equally unfortunate if Akash was left behind. That's the whole debate about.

We cannot belittle her opponent only because she has been a good leader and student in a mountaineering school.Did I say she should not feel horrible about it ? That's altogether a different issue.

Its Arjun and Roongta's assumption and not Colonel's plan. We are talking about Colonel's plan only which includes bringing the Danish team home alone.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
See bugsbunny Anjali cannot carry people is it a perception because she is a girl. Again gender is coming in this case.
Also agree to dey point on woman and safety. Woman has to be protected first. Again gender playing.

So in effect a subtle prejudice is there because of gender and is such bias excepted out of a leader than colonel is supposed to be.

As a professional I very well know the subtle biases that many managers do. Has been on the receiving end of the same as well.

But such people might be good, but they don't deserve to be great.

Aww thanx for calling me bugs bunny...sounds cute 😉

so to the point...yeah gender discrimination comes in both as u wisely pointed out...but one is good and other is bad...it has both benefits as well as limitations

its not perception bcoz she is a girl, but practically...aakash is fitter and stronger physically...dont u think so?

as for woman safety...yeah again gender comes...but being gentlemen, col and aakash have decided to keep her safe and risk their own lives...

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dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Hey bugs ! Great point ...

Yes, I don' think a girl can carry people if required. One from defence background could have done but all Anjali has is one month training. Men of course have a natural talent here and therefore have the upper hand also.

Climbing yourself and carrying other person's weight is a different situation.Whether it is discrimination or not I don't know but Akash here is a better choice. Gender thing of course has its own limitations.

Yaar no one complained when Colonel admitted her although she was late for the admission. The same man was a gentleman. Now all of a sudden we question his leadership qualities. Its unfair too.

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