Dharmakshetra :) - Page 68

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Karna was unkown about Arjuna/Drona when he went to Parashurama. But regarding the curse, it was only for Brahmastra.

Parashurama, who had sworn to teach Brahmins only, laid curse upon Karna that he would forget all the knowledge required to wield the divine weapon Brahmanda astra, at the moment of his greatest need. Upon Karna's pleading, Parshurama gave him the celestial weapon called Bhargavastra, along with his personal bow called Vijaya, for being such a diligent student.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karna

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Karna was unkown about Arjuna/Drona when he went to Parashurama. But regarding the curse, it was only for Brahmastra.

Poor Drone is always blamed for kicking out Karna from his Gurukul for his caste... 😭
But I have a question...if Karna never knew Drone or Arjun, then y did he come to THAT particular competition in yhe firsy place?
I always thought he came to the competition after acquiring knowledge to prove to Drone n Arjun that he too was worthy of respect...Since Drone had refused to give him knowledge on Brahmashira...
But if he didnt know Drone at all...n even Arjun, n he was raised at Anga(as someone before suggested), then y did he come all the way to Hastinapur to participate? 😕
Was his presence just a coincidence?

Good question Amrita,

What makes you all conclude that Karna wasn't a part of Dronacharya's Gurukul?
He was very much a part, and he thought himself 'eligible' enough to get the knowledge of Brahmastra and also the motive behind it was to kill Arjuna. (Apparently for no reason).
So from where does the question of why Karna came to the Kridangan comes? Obviously like Amrita said he came to 'prove' how great he was knowing it was only for Kuru princes.😆

Originally posted by: tabby999

Parashurama, who had sworn to teach Brahmins only, laid curse upon Karna that he would forget all the knowledge required to wield the divine weaponBrahmanda astra, at the moment of his greatest need. Upon Karna's pleading, Parshurama gave him the celestial weapon calledBhargavastra, along with his personal bow calledVijaya, for being such a diligent student.

I read the wiki thing that actually makes sense as its nly mentioned for Brahamandastra that P'rama vowed nt to teach to nyone xcept Brahmins bcause of its destructive power!! nd I would really love this theory that would mean though Karna could not recall brahmandastra, he recovered himself quick enough to take off Brahmastra and use it thus he was invincible again, and Krishna
had to make Arjun kill him at the opportune moment very unfairly😊 bt again I downloaded CE jst few days bckk nd its true that curse is mentioned for only Brahmastra nt any other weapon

Even if we consider that Drona wasnt Karnas teacher bt Kuru ws a big umpire I dnt think e1 if any family affair it ws something small! had it been something on a small scale there would b nly Family members witnessing it it ws a grand thing so mayb he heard about it nd curosity brought him there!!

nd AFAIK Karna ws invited in the Drau Swayamvara his name ws there in the guest list!

@Brishti: check page 80

@amrita - I will never blame Drona for denying education to Karna. And Yes; Karna entering Rangabhoomi was probably a coincidence. If we consider the time needed for studies in that era (12 years for basic education & 4-6 years for advanced education if the person wishes), Karna had completed everything including his higher studies (began at 6 years, then 18) when he entered Rangabhoomi. Because Rangabhoomi event was organised after Kuru princes completed their 13 year studies. Yudhi being the eldest, Drona would have scheduled teaching acc to his age (mostly began when Yudhi was 7). I am sure Arjuna was sharp & intelligent enough to learn more in less time & emerged out as the best student, overcoming everyone. So he probably was 16 (he was 3 years younger to Yudhi) when the Rangabhoomi events took place. See in Gurukula sampradaya, a student never goes home till his education is completed. So we can say Karna was with Parashurama till he was 24, for 18 years. So naturally he would have felt to meet his father who had been working under Dhrit, and reached HP. And he saw the event happening, jumped in & he might have only meant to show what he had learnt because it was his first interaction with the outer world after he completed his studies.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, KARNA TOOK PART IN RANGABHOOMI ONLY AFTER DRONA PERMITTED HIM. Why all are neglecting that point? Had the event been organised not for everyone, why did he give permission to an unkown? Was Drona a fool to do such a thing ? He still had not taken his revenge for which he needed Kurus. So when Drona gave permission, nobody have rights to say Karna gatecrashed. Karna evidently took part with proper permission from Kuru Kula Guru.
What our problem is we are preconcieved with a false fact that Karna was 100% oppsite to Arjuna & Arjuna was 100% opposite to Karna. So we unconsciously tend to find whatever Karna do as opposite to Arjuna & vice versa. Even your question, though you might be unaware of it, had that thought's reflection. No. They had many things to do in their lives. Seeing them as forever vengeful for eachother only make us smaller, is my personal opinion being a lover of both Karna & Arjuna.

Originally posted by: Adishakti

Good question Amrita,

The contest was specifically organized by drona as a trial for kuru princes, we can stretch this to say maybe all his students, but if Karna was not a student then on what basis he entered the competition, when he was not even a Kshatriya

Or did he have so much of an itch to earn respect that he became a gate crasher, he did the sAme in swayamvar

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

@amrita - I will never blame Drona for denying education to Karna. And Yes; Karna entering Rangabhoomi was probably a coincidence. If we consider the time needed for studies in that era (12 years for basic education & 4-6 years for advanced education if the person wishes), Karna had completed everything including his higher studies (began at 6 years, then 18) when he entered Rangabhoomi. Because Rangabhoomi event was organised after Kuru princes completed their 13 year studies. Yudhi being the eldest, Drona would have scheduled teaching acc to his age (mostly began when Yudhi was 7). I am sure Arjuna was sharp & intelligent enough to learn more in less time & emerged out as the best student, overcoming everyone. So he probably was 16 (he was 3 years younger to Yudhi) when the Rangabhoomi events took place. See in Gurukula sampradaya, a student never goes home till his education is completed. So we can say Karna was with Parashurama till he was 24, for 18 years. So naturally he would have felt to meet his father who had been working under Dhrit, and reached HP. And he saw the event happening, jumped in & he might have only meant to show what he had learnt because it was his first interaction with the outer world after he completed his studies.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, KARNA TOOK PART IN RANGABHOOMI ONLY AFTER DRONA PERMITTED HIM. Why all are neglecting that point? Had the event been organised not for everyone, why did he give permission to an unkown? Was Drona a fool to do such a thing ? He still had not taken his revenge for which he needed Kurus. So when Drona gave permission, nobody have rights to say Karna gatecrashed. Karna evidently took part with proper permission from Kuru Kula Guru.
What our problem is we are preconcieved with a false fact that Karna was 100% oppsite to Arjuna & Arjuna was 100% opposite to Karna. So we unconsciously tend to find whatever Karna do as opposite to Arjuna & vice versa. Even your question, though you might be unaware of it, had that thought's reflection. No. They had many things to do in their lives. Seeing them as forever vengeful for eachother only make us smaller, is my personal opinion being a lover of both Karna & Arjuna.

bold-I dont know wat made u think that?😕
There are many who believe that Karna was a part of Drone's Gurukul, and many who dismiss that...I had read citations where Karna goes to Drone and he refuses to teach him Brahmashira...Karna politely obliged and left...There was no fight or anything...
Then, I believe he went to Parshuram, and after getting trained, he came back to prove himself to Drone...
This is wat I believed all this while...but I saw u giving a different logic, and hence asked...😕

Anyway, I too believe that this Karna-Arjun rivalry is a much over-hyped topic...
I have not read everything, but from watever little I have read, I dont see Karna and Arjun hating each other to the extent, their fans make it to be...😆
Maybe, during wars, they competed, and tried to vanquish each other...but otherwise, I am sure they had other work to do...The only citation that made me believe in the rivalry was the one provided by Urmila, where Karna says, that he would donate this this and this to people, who will find me Arjun...or something like that...

@amrita - My sincere apologies for misreading your words. Hope you don't take that slip of thought very serious. What Urmila said is right. But that was during the KK war, as Krishna had been keeping Arjuna away from Karna as Karna had Vaijayanti, and Karna was just mocking Krishna, not beyond that. Such talks are very common among men. Not to be taken serious.