Dharmakshetra :) - Page 51

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

These novels, written on mahabharata are absolute bullshit apart from a few Good ones. I will not take names as these are some authors on IF. But sone recent novels are so disgraceful I feel like banging my head on the wall. I don't understand why people insist on making things complicated when Yudhi's heart and intentions are clear in his statements. He never wished for anyone's bad. And the problem is, young people read such crap about Mahabharat and take these as truth. Mostly people prefer to read 200 page books on MB rather than the epic. I would say it is better to read an abridged version of the real epic other than such trash. People don't bother to read the real epic and some non existent ideas are being out forward as truth. Karna-Draupadi romance is one of the most prominent examples. Can anyone show one single wire from the epic which implies that? No.
These folktales, novels by modern authors are so disgusting. One should read Atleast two pages of the real epic and then pick up such books.

Agree word to word! Even our Rajshekhar Basu's short and sweet MB translation will work. I believe such short English translations are also available. Young generation should read them at least before picking up those novels. Novels know no limit while imagining something. Be it Draupadi-Karna thing, be it Draupadi's hatred to Yudhi, or Arjun's wrath on his eldest after marriage! Sometimes I feel I would forget the real epic after reading these 😆

Originally posted by: indianprincess

some yudi haters think so. it's more of a perception than possibility.

Possible.
BTW, I never knew Yudhi can be accused for these many things. For me, he did only 2 mistakes & you gave a shocking long list. I didn't know these many; may be because I have read only parts that have possibilities of Karna getting involved.

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

Until something like Abhi Vadh takes place.. But is not vastraharan enough to provoke him? Actually I don't know whether to say yes or no about this Ashe is the ne who stops Bheem when he becomes angry during staking. But on the other hand he vows so.. Confusing

Nevertheless I believe Karna did have part to play in the dice hall. In the negative way.

He takes the vow to kill Karna because Bhima orders him to do that no other reason

Regarding Karna yes he was definitely involved in dice hall incidents .His involvement has been mentioned in many parvas so there is consistency in that

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Regarding Karna yes he was definitely involved in dice hall incidents .His involvement has been mentioned in many parvas so there is consistency in that

Of course, all parvas post Sabha parva state his involvement; there is no inconsistency in that. The only inconsistency is what did he do in sabha & that is just like the 5 narrations of his birth story which all are different from one another except for Kunti trying the boon on Surya & Karna takes birth!

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

I don't agree with Karna was a hero, considering current MB. MB is nowhere Karna's story. Even if you take Karna out of it, things will not change much than Ps would have won the war easily. So it is difficult to say whether he was a hero or not, based on today's general perception of heroes. All I can say is Karna was a good human who never cheated his own soul. He might have been manythigs in the eyes of others, but to himself, he never betrayed anyone. We may compare Karna at two points of his life, but not with anyone else for they all were different persons, entirely different from each other.

well said Jamy👏

waise somewhere I read ki Surya dev allowed Karna to do KK daan on the condition that he will ask Shakti frm Indra is this true?????

The question to be asked is whether Indra gave the Shakti of his own accord impressed by Karna or did Karna ask for it?

This forum is becoming a yudhi fan page and Karna hate page.

Originally posted by: bhas1066

sabhhayata u never really agree with anything i write😉 and i totally love it!!!😛 maybe i am not mentally sound (😳) because i welcome denials more than agreements - it allows me to look back at my own perception again.

see my lines above in bold - do u really think that within the 1-yr rule Drau could have been happy of felt stifling!!! i mean just try to imagine practically if she had gotten pregnant with one husbands child say by the end of an year then what - would she be turned pregnant only to the other brother - what if the former brother wanted to spend time with his child's mother or vice-versa??? ( i know it sounds crude but no offense meant to Drau here)
how will be the romance when cramped within bounderies of a year and internal rooms and blocked routes?? the guy with whom you spend a year openly as wife , for next four years maintain strict platonic distance .

As for KMG , well for that one part of the potter's hut Drau seems to have completely lost her voice even to say an yes to the arrangement - we assume she is ok with it!! nobody asks her anything and nor is any thoughts of her on the arrangement present in the book. the otherwise eloquent Draupadi who could speak for herself in her swayamvar completely silent here does not digest at all. Did anyone vyasa/pandavas/drupad tell her about her past life story that she would accept it easily???- no!
the akashwani which says that she is born for destruction of kurus - does it say she is predestined to marry five men???
so as per KMG everyone else from vyasa to pandavs and kunti, to drupad knows the reason of why she is getting married to five men except fot the bride herself and she is totally ok with it?😲

as for living hapily / praising her husbands - does she have a choice with her???what would she gain by ranting /feeling sorry?? - i think she was just making lemonade out of sour lemons!!! but it doesnt excuse the pandavas!

when her husband whom she has garlanded minutes ago before all has said yes to her sharing wihtout even a token of asking to her - is that not a mental pressure/force ?? of taking her wishes / thoughts as granted???

p.s. and do share your thoughts on why narada says this story to them when they already passed a year of their marital life???

Ya Mahabharat related discussions are fun for me .I enjoy them 😊 also for me its the best way to increase my knowledge about this subject.I have learnt more about Mahabharat trough these discussions than just by reading.

See definitely managing to be a wife of five would have been difficult for Drau with or without 1 year rule.But does that mean that just because it was something difficult it didnt happen.No.I wont agree with that.Yes 1 year rule would have well limited the romance but what it only means is that it was a difficult job to be a wife of five wich Drau did amazingly well.It doesnt mean that it was impossible that she was wife of 5

Now regarding her division in KMG i dont think she was ok with it but i think she becama ok with it .There is a difference between the two.What her thoughts were at the moment Yudi said the words lets all marry her no one can say for sure.Its all assumption she could have been happy,unhappy,normal ,sad anything is possible.But whats pretty clear is that by end of tat day she was ok with it since that is what KMG and CE state clearly.Maybe she would have thought through things and realized that this will be good or best for her .Now if we dont believe what KMG and CE say and believe in the theory that things got changed and all then its a different issue.But if we go by the texts then yes she definately became ok with it by EOD.

And most probably Draupadi rejecting karna at swayambr is an interpolation since its not part of CE and even in KMg this incident is just mentioned once and not repeated.So if we go by CE Drauapdi neither spoke up at her swyamaar nor at her division so consistency is there.

What i dont agree with it is that pandvas would have literally forced her into this marriage.I don't think that she created a huge hue and cry about this and yet pandvas forced.Draupadi was always vocal about her complaints against her husbands.She never minced her words.But whenever she complained against her husbands even against yudi she never complains about the division.Its always the dice game or other things but never the division.If she was so unwilling and pandvas would have forced her wouldn't that also have been a part of her complaints.The fact that Drau herself in the entire epic never complains about her division whereas she does complain about other things is another proof that she wasn't forced into it.My point is she accepted it and became ok with it and found her happiness in it hence never complained

Regarding Narada hmm its possible he thought that one day pandvas could start having differences among each other over paternity issues or other Drau related issues.SO suggested a precaution in the way of 1 year rule.I think before setting this rule he also tells a story of how brother's fought over a girl and hence to avoid that this 1 year rule must be applied

BTW is there any source which has captured the events post the Snake-sacrifice of Janamejaya?