Dharmakshetra :) - Page 41

Originally posted by: AnuMP

@ Brishti

Read Chandogya Upanishad. You will find more or less the same ideas as Gita Gyan. I just started on it. It says that these were the ideas taught to Kishna by Ghora Angirasa

I think Krishna probably did give him a pep talk but not the entire discourse

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

I mean to say on that day right after Abhi's killing. Jayadrath was the unlucky one 😆 Otherwise he is a pacifist and was always reluctant to fight.

Originally posted by: Urmila11

Well first of all I have not read that version so far 😔 so I can't comment unless the entire event and narration is clear in front of my eyes, that's too in original, if possible. The narration of Indian version is very clear to me and I can explain it. Can you please give me any online copy of Indo version?
Personally, as a Yudhi-Drau fan I would love to see them as couple 😳 but not in the way it was shown in a modern novel 😆

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

a)Not being a good friend - As a friend you should see that your friend is doing the correct thing and not going around planning how to kill his cousins. Just saying "I am forveer in your debt" is not the hallmark of a good friend. Karna did nothing to protect Duryodhan from becoming an outright Adharmi.

This should not be called friend dear, this is a slavery for me! Only a slave would nod with his master in every step the master takes. A friend always wishes good for own beloved. So...ye aarop satya hai 😉

b) Wishing for the bad of people without reason- Pandavas and Draupadi. What did they do to him that he was so jealous of Arjuna since Gurukul? He was involved in poisoning Bheem, he was involved in Lakshagriha conspiracy where KUNTi too was involved. I am so eager to make Kunti shout at Karna at trial but that will be too much so bunking it.

Even his so well-known 'daan veerta' was just a vow taken for Arjun vadh 😲 that's too after Duri's Vaishnava sacrifice, while he is assuring Duri to kill all Pandavas 🤢 is it fair to respect this man as a great 'daan veer'? I think this aarop too is true! Indra will be our witness here. He will explain how Karna made a deal with him, wanted his shakti astra in return of his kavach kundal. There Karna clearly tells Indra, "I will not give my kavach kundal unless you give me your weapon." And oh, the great 'daan veer' could not accept the proposal of giving only 5 villages 😲

c) Not respecting elders- Includes Dronacharya and Bheeshma. Drona was his guru and its a student's duty to listen to him and not demand things for killing someone. How unfair. A bad student. Apart from that as Semanti mentions numerous insults of Bheeshma, Vidur, Drona etc.

Height of this is in Udyoga Parva, when priest of Panchal comes with peace message, only Karna speaks with him, without giving a chance to elders. Who is he to talk in between? A mere outsider, nothing else. Who gave him that right? Did he understand Kuru vansha's welfare even more than Bhishma and Vidur? I think this aarop is true as well.

d) Verbal assault of a woman- Whatever anyone says I have known Karna to have called Draupadi a wh**e and that is nothing strange. Karna was self obsessed and he was capable of saying something like that to take revenge of rejection. Also, Draupadi was wife of Pandavas and ARJUNA. Dury';s object of lust so...

No comments needed here 😆 justifying his act with Draupadi's sutaputra comment is not fair, only this much I would say here.

e)Keshav ko bandi banane ka prachesta - This is typical DK so not explaining. How about including not accepting Kunti's proposal before war in order to stop the war from Dury's side 😉 since not stopping war is such a big arop for people.

Why would he want to stop war? Was he himself not one of main reasons of victims' anger, like Duri was? so neither Duri nor Karna could stop war. Ye aarop bhi satya hi hai 😆

f) Breaking loyalty - If he would be loyal towards Duryodhan, than he would never promise Kunti of not killing the four Ps except Arjuna. I guess Karna had the capability to fight the Ps and he left that when Duryodhan expected only him to actually fight and kill the Pandavas. If he would be loyal towards Kunti (for some minutes after knowing the truth) then he would not say he will kill Arjun and come to Kunti's side.
If he would be loyal towards righteousness and dharma, then the question of supporting Dury never arises.

Even in war, he defeated Yudhi once but did not catch him. Well as per his promise to Kunti he could not kill Yudhi but could seize at least to make his side winner, no? This one is also true IMO.

g) Being too proud of himself and for his own good going towards Adharma - I guess this needs to explanation

There is another one. He spent maximum time in his friend's kingdom chatting and conspiring and doing other things. Did he care for his prajas of Anga kingdom? 😕 Was he a good king? Did he fulfill his raaj dharma?

Originally posted by: indianprincess

Well i don't have a copy of it, i have read online discussions about it. Some members believe it to be more authentic since it wasn't re edited much unlike indian versions.

Im a hardcore panchali fan , but for some reason i love yudi i don't know why. i know He is very dharmik , adarshwadi, personally i find such men extremely hot😆. Many panchali fans like their heroine with arjun or bheem but for me its yudhi drau all the way.

The shy, reserved, cool minded emperor and his hot headed, fiery ,bold empress. opposites attract.

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

Saare arop satya hai! And now Justice Chitragupt says,
"Angraaj Karn, aapko inn arop ke khandan mein kuch kehna hai?"
Then Karna gives a long..huge speech about how fate has betrayed him, how unlucky he is, how terrible his life was, how Kunti abandoned him, how he was MADE to hate his own bros,
aur iss Mahagaatha mein, main apna sthaan toh bana liya na. (Just like Dushy has said). Itihaas hamesha mujhe yaad rakhega... ek din India Forums mein mujeh lekar jhagra hoga 🤣🤣

Now camera focuses on everyone.. Kunti is howling, YBANS are weeping, Drona has hands on his face so does Bheeshma... Tear is trckling down Draupadi's eyes,, Duryodhan gets up and hugs Karna.. Justice Chitragupt is also trying hard to control his tears.. and the tears drops washes away the ink of his arop list,... after sometime.. everyone except Keshav is crying and their sad tears washes away all of Karna's arops...

Chitragupta says- Koi Bhi arop satya nahi hai. Angraj Karna itihaas mein aap amar rahenge, koi aapko nahi bhoolega, IF kya. sare social sites mein aap Keshav ke saman kabhi kabhi adhik bhi respected honge!!! Mrityunjay kehlayenge aap... Aapko sthaan hamesha swaarg mein hai! 👏

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Originally posted by: Urmila11

Love you 😃 YuDi fans are very rare 😭 but yes they are very beautiful couple at least for me 😳 I would like to add another thing, as King and Queen they were just perfect for each other. They served their prajas together like children. I just love this.
If you read my FF, you will get to see their love story 😆
Anyway I will try to collect a copy of Indo version. I wish there will be some more romantic moments of YuDi 😳 already Indian version has few, but would love to get more.

Originally posted by: indianprincess

Yudi was a gem of a person. kalyugi ppl can't understand him coz he doesn't fit in their "ultimate hero" persona.

i am lucky enough to personally have met ppl like him who share his ideology .He was a pure soul,a dharmatma who thought about everybody's well being and happiness above himself. Though my fav characters are lord krishna and panchali but i do respect yudhistir from the bottom of my heart.