Dharmakshetra :) - Page 36

I hope I have posted enough citations from KMG on last page to show that Karna's role in VH is mentioned in other Parvas too. His innocence cannot be seen there 😕

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

May I know what makes you believe so strongly? Please don't get me wrong. I am in no way intend to argue & prove his innocence here. Just curious to know why.

Anu Di

Brishti

As much as I love Ardi...I too feel that MAYBE Draupadi was only Yudisthir's wife...not sure though.
That also explains y the other Pandavas, except Bhima were not very vocal during her Vastraharan.

When Jaydrath comes to Draupadi, she talks only of Yudisthir's absence...not of her other husbands.
She mainly lashes out at Yudisthir...n she also releases Yudisthir first during Dyut Sabha(maybe bcoz he was the King).

@Brishti - you're right. There are many citations, I agree. But since you said about Krishna's last words to Karna, from Karna Parva, let me say that CE has chopped off 90% from those. And Karna parva should be having only 69 chapters, as we can read in Anukramanika adhyaya of Adi Parva of both Southern & Northern recensions. But Karna Parva available today has more chapters, Northern recension has 96 & southern has 110. How is that possible unless they are not added later? It is not impossible to prove Krishna's arguements were baseless & that was only his war strategy to influence Arjuna to kill Karna when he was weaponless. But you still did not answer my actual question!😆 What makes you believe that Karna was a man who could do 'such things'? Is it an intuition? Or something similar? Any answer is welcome.

Hi all,

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

@Brishti - you're right. There are many citations, I agree. But since you said about Krishna's last words to Karna, from Karna Parva, let me say that CE has chopped off 90% from those. And Karna parva should be having only 69 chapters, as we can read in Anukramanika adhyaya of Adi Parva of both Southern & Northern recensions. But Karna Parva available today has more chapters, Northern recension has 96 & southern has 110. How is that possible unless they are not added later? It is not impossible to prove Krishna's arguements were baseless & that was only his war strategy to influence Arjuna to kill Karna when he was weaponless. But you still did not answer my actual question!😆 What makes you believe that Karna was a man who could do 'such things'? Is it an intuition? Or something similar? Any answer is welcome.

Jamy, do you want to know why I hate Karna? Because by saying that I meant I think Karna was not a good person (I guess character will be a more appropriate word). So, I mean even if Karna said such words it does not seem unbelievable to me. Now Ofcourse I can't say Karna was bad, I can say in my opinion, he is not appealing and I dislike him immensely. Now there are seven different ways to look into a diamond 😆. So if you still want to know why I hate him, I can give my reasobs which may in turn answer your question if you have not got it yet. 😉

Originally posted by: amritat

As much as I love Ardi...I too feel that MAYBE Draupadi was only Yudisthir's wife...not sure though.
That also explains y the other Pandavas, except Bhima were not very vocal during her Vastraharan.

When Jaydrath comes to Draupadi, she talks only of Yudisthir's absence...not of her other husbands.
She mainly lashes out at Yudisthir...n she also releases Yudisthir first during Dyut Sabha(maybe bcoz he was the King).

Does that imply all Upapandavs being Yudhishthir's sons? Why would Draupadi only marry Yudhishtir when Kunti's words were "share what you have brought". Share, was the word. If we know Arjun won the swayamvar, why would she marry only Yudhishtir?
Why did Draupadi react so much on ArSu marriage if she is Yudhishtir's wife?
And in turn that implies Drau's reason for fall during Swargarohan justified as being Yudhi's wife loving her bro-in-law is Umm...not quite right. I don't think Draupadi was someone like that.
Btw it is Yudhi who staked Drau so it is obvious she will lash out on Yudhi and blame him the most.

The unity part makes absolute no sense if Drau was only married on one of the Ps. What about lusting and unity?

Originally posted by: Adishakti

Hi all,

I had once read an article that, the ability to write was very restricted during the time of Mahabharata. In fact there is no mention of anything being written to anyone in the entire Mahabharata. No instance of anyone sending any letter. Even the message that rukmini sends Krishna through a Brahmin, is not mentioned in harivamsa. They meet at a temple a day before her marriage, he desires her and kidnaps her doesn't resist as she is interested too. All messages are sent orally through dootas. So except the mention of vyasa reciting and Ganesha writing. No mention of anything written anywhere. Suka heard from vyasa, and others from suka and other shishyas of vyasa. Everywhere just oral recitation

So the written Sanskrit version that we have today is not one written by vyasa, it's written by some one who heard vyasa version

And is in the game of chinese whispers every time a message passes orally from one person to another it distorts slightly due to inherent cognitive bias of that person

So the version that we have kMG is not exactly an original brishti.

No version in original. The question is about which one seems more accurate and correct factually.