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Posted: 10 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Maria_Shaukat_9

@indiaphorum I'm sorry for the long essay. I just realised how long it is. I got carried away and started rambling as always. You don't have to read all that ☺️


No, not at all..I have always loved reading your insights..your analysis of the characters and the story always made sense to me so I like to read it all. The more, the better..always welcome..😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maria_Shaukat_9


It was bakwas and what needed to be shown wasn't. I feel like I wasted my time watching the last episode for no reason. It was forced and cheesy and I would have been better off not watching it since it showed nothing that needed to be shown.

Also I agree about Gunjan. She didn't look happy about it at all and I'm guessing if there's a season 2 that's what the storyline will be about, Gunjan not being able to accept VeeBa's baby. But this time I don't know why anyone would be able to show any hint of sympathy for her since the child isn't out of adultry in this case. It makes me sad because VeeBa are giving up their first child for them and at least Gunjan could have looked grateful since this is big step for her brother and sister in law but she wasn't. All I can think is that poor child. He/she would be better off with his real parents. VeeBa would have been better off telling RanJan to adopt since it'd have the same reaction or try IVF which is probably what Gunjan truly wants, a child of her own. There was no reason for VeeBa to give their child to such a selfish woman who wouldn't be able to look after it and put it first. VeeBa would have loved their child so much and Veera would have been a loving mother but no instead the child gets Gunjan who won't be able to give it a mother's love ever.

And don't get me started on how everyone looked like VeeBa were giving Ranjan a kitten for Christmas not their beloved child. Everyone looked like it's something that's expected of VeeBa and what they should do rather than something huge and unusual and clearly no one cares about VeeBa since they didn't even for a moment think of them and how they'd feel being seperated from their child. Never mind that, no one even asked the simple question that are they sure? And yet they all claim to love them?

Since they didn't show VeeBa giving their child to them or thinking it through at all, I choose to believe that though they thought about it, ultimately they couldn't do it and couldn't give their child to them. You know thinking about it momentarily is different to bonding with you child over 9 months and holding it in your arms after giving birth and just because they once told them they'd give them their child doesn't mean they would have been able to since a parents bond to their child is strong and I choose to believe VeeBa like any good parents would secretly have their doubts about Gunjan's ability to be a loving mother to their child and after seeing their child and holding it would want to protect him/her from Gunjan. VeeBa both know what's it's like to grow up craving for their parents love and I don't believe they'd put their little baby though that. Veera's all about protecting defenceless people and helping them and I don't believe she or Baldev would choose to put their bundle of joy in such harms way. They might have thought about it but they didn't show them following through with it so anything could have happened. Anyway I think that was the early days of pregnancy so who knows what could have changed after 9 months?

Also I think considering Gunjan's reaction she'd try to find a way to put a stop this and make sure that VeeBa don't give them their child (even maybe going behind Ranvi's back and trying to manipulate VeeBa into taking back their offer) because she doesn't want VeeBa's child and isn't happy about it and that's clear. She's already had Ranvi doting his love on Veera and Deepu and I doubt she wants a mini Veera or Baldev stealing her spotlight. I think she'd have a hard time loving her own child never mind someone else's and she knows it. I think she'd put a stop to this quickly and would either try IVF after Veera suggests it or even Gunjan would suggest adoption instead of this if she has to but she wouldn't take VeeBa's child because it's connected to Veera and she secretly has always been jealous of her and also VeeBa would forever be a part of their lives now and she wouldn't like that. She'd want her own child or any child but not Veera's in my opinion.

I don't buy that it'd all be this easy and the way that the last episode showed it to be. It made it seem fake and rushed and unrealistic and not how it'd all pan out. It's easier to not believe it because of how bakwas it was. After yesterday's episode I don't believe that realistically it'd work out like that or Gunjan would let it happen or that VeeBa when it came down to it would be able to do it. Though that's their brother and sister, that's their child and I don't think once the child is in front of them they'd be able to be seperated from it because a parents bond to their child runs deep. VeeBa are loving people and they wouldn't be able to just give their child away like that. They'd fall in love with him/her straight away and no matter what they say, I don't think they'd be able to do it. They'd be sorry and regretful to RanJan and emotional that they couldn't do this for them but I don't think they'd be able to do it and if they did then they'd be devestated and die a little more every day and I doubt any good brother (Ranvi) would be happy seperating his sister's child from her especially when she's so heartbroken so they'd give the child back. I don't think it'd be as easy as VeeBa seem to think right now.


They probably kept the door open for Season 2 with this asinine ending. This seems logical because they have material ready for season 2 with Gunjan becoming Bansuri part 2 to Veera's kid.
But honestly, I don't think there will be any new season as the makers seem to have washed away their hands with the show and the chances of bringing in a new season look null to me.
So this ending was just a forced one, which they messed up big time without closing any loose ends. This was probably one of the most pathetic endings amidst the number of shows I have watched.
I am sure Veera would be more than happy to hand over the baby to Gunjan, as she is such a bhakt of hers. It would be an honor for her to be of some use to Maiyya, be it doing away with her child. She is shown to be such a mahaan atma, especially when it comes to pleasing Maatey..so I wouldn't put this past her. As for Baldev, he would show resistance and would go back on his words, regards his character traits. The Baldev we know, would never and cannot ever let go of his child and will fight the orld for his child, atleast when he holds his baby in his arms.
Gunjan looks the least bit interested in VeeBa's baby. Bet she was already thinking of the baby taking the spotlight away from her and thinking through various ways of preventing this threat to her apple-of-Ranvi's-eye spot. She could never love anyone apart from herself. She just doesn't have it in her. Loving like a mother is just so beyond her, other's child at that. Even if she had actually turned over a new leaf, she still won't have it in her. This has been proved and stressed upon many times in the show. So, these fake patch-ups and fake show of love from Gunjan and turning over a new leaf, won't work. They failed in execution big time, if this is what they wanted to show, or no, they actually take us to be so dim-witted that they thought we'd believe anything they shove down down our throats after themselves having shown contradictory character build up. After showing what they showed, they seriously had thought we'd be accepting Gunjan and Bansuri to be forgiven? We wanted both of them to die. What has Gunjan and Bansuri done to earn this love and respect without any remorse and repenting?
Everything is an insult to audience's intelligence on a whole new level, especially what they show of Gunjan and Bansuri's overnight transformations. Gunjan has these bipolar phases every month, so what if they show it on the last epi, what was so different that it wont happen again or she won't change colors again? Nothing was sorted and Bansuri's tho they didnt even bother with her character. That was one big W*F! I refuse to buy any of the shit they threw at us. So I will believe all this when the day pigs start flying.
Edited by Indiaphorum - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#13
I hate Gunjan to the core and the way these people keep justifying her is even more irritating. What's worse is they even made Baldev an obsessive bro. As @indiaphorums said if we ignore the last "GunDev" track, Baldev would never ever give his baby to anyone not even Gunjan. He toh anywaya doesn't like Ranvi 😆.
So basically Bansuri and Gunjan are the same - selfish, cruel, vamps etc
They can never love anyone truly except their spouses (not even their own children). The last track also left a very bad taste in my opinions regarding Gunjan. If we go by their justification of Gunjan's insecurity, then she will do some or the other evil in the future coz apparently she can't be a mother. So she has a license to do eveything coz of her insecurity.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kiely

Agree with @Maria
IMO I feel VeeBa made the decision of giving their baby in haste. As they did not show their baby, I am gonna assume that they could not give their baby. No matter how much VeeBa love their respective siblings, one cannot give their child to anyone. It is impossible. Even I am gonna assume that they change their minds as they will start loving their baby unconditionally during the nine month period and also the moment they will see their baby. And if at all they give anyway, I don't think so they will be happy (both V and B) though B has shown his attitude towards kids now but he is the kind of person who will love his children no matter what. they will be devastated and it will be very difficult for them to live without their child.
Anyways the only thing we can do is assume 😆 and I never liked the idea of giving the baby to Gunjan ( she is a pathetic character who will not love her own child too).
And I also hated the way WantSuri were way too casual about it and even Ranvi too( I have no expectations from Gunjan). It's like they were happy their daughter was getting a baby and to hell with VeeBa.
I believe Veera and Baldev are gonna be loving mom and dad and I don't think so they will give their baby to RG. They might be very sorry that they couldn't give but at the end a child is everything for a parent. They cannot just give them like this.
This doesn't happen in real life esp when people like Veera baldev abd Ranvi are involved


Exactly. There's a big difference between saying it and doing it and they didn't actually show them doing it and a lot can change in 9 months. I don't buy that VeeBa wouldn't feel a parent's strong bond with the child and would be able to just give him/her away. This is VeeBa and they wouldn't just be able to give their child away no matter what they say and if they did then there'd be a lot of tears and heartbreak and gute gute ki jeena. They wouldn't just be able to give birth to the child and give him away and not feel anything. I don't think ultimately they'd be able to do it and that's what I choose to believe.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indiaphorum


They probably kept the door open for Season 2 with this asinine ending. This seems logical because they have material ready for season 2 with Gunjan becoming Bansuri part 2 to Veera's kid.
But honestly, I don't think there will be any new season as the makers seem to have washed away their hands with the show and the chances of bringing in a new season look null to me.
So this ending was just a forced one, which they messed up big time without closing any loose ends. This was probably one of the most pathetic endings amidst the number of shows I have watched.
I am sure Veera would be more than happy to hand over the baby to Gunjan, as she is such a bhakt of hers. It would be an honor for her to be of some use to Maiyya, be it doing away with her child. She is shown to be such a mahaan atma, especially when it comes to pleasing Maatey..so I wouldn't put this past her. As for Baldev, he would show resistance and would go back on his words, regards his character traits. The Baldev we know, would never and cannot ever let go of his child and will fight the orld for his child, atleast when he holds his baby in his arms.
Gunjan looks the least bit interested in VeeBa's baby. Bet she was already thinking of the baby taking the spotlight away from her and thinking through various ways of preventing this threat to her apple-of-Ranvi's-eye spot. She could never love anyone apart from herself. She just doesn't have it in her. Loving like a mother is just so beyond her, other's child at that. Even if she had actually turned over a new leaf, she still won't have it in her. This has been proved and stressed upon many times in the show. So, these fake patch-ups and fake show of love from Gunjan and turning over a new leaf, won't work. They failed in execution big time, if this is what they wanted to show, or no, they actually take us to be so dim-witted that they thought we'd believe anything they shove down down our throats after themselves having shown contradictory character build up. After showing what they showed, they seriously had thought we'd be accepting Gunjan and Bansuri to be forgiven? We wanted both of them to die. What has Gunjan and Bansuri done to earn this love and respect without any remorse and repenting?
Everything is an insult to audience's intelligence on a whole new level, especially what they show of Gunjan and Bansuri's overnight transformations. Gunjan has these bipolar phases every month, so what if they show it on the last epi, what was so different that it wont happen again or she won't change colors again? Nothing was sorted and Bansuri's tho they didnt even bother with her character. That was one big W*F! I refuse to buy any of the shit they threw at us. So I will believe all this when the day pigs start flying.


I know Veera is a Gunjan bhakt and worships the ground she walks on but even someone like Veera would surely feel an unbreakable parental bond with their child? Would Veera as a parent find it easy to be seperated from her child once it's actually in front of her? Idk because Veera is weird but the way I see it is that Veera isn't completely stone hearted and is human so surely she'd struggle with it all when it comes down to it? Any normal human would. Whether she'd be able to actually go through with it is questionable but I choose to believe she wouldn't because she's an actual human being with a heart who'd actually love her child and not be able to bear being seperated from it because thinking of the opposite just makes me think that she's heartless and makes me want to smack her.

And I definitely can see Baldev going back on his word. It was clear that he and Veera rushed into this and didn't think it through and I think once he starts to bond with the child and actually realises that he loves it then he wouldn't be able to give it away. I think right now he wasn't sure whether he wanted to be a parent yet but once he realises he is then he won't be able to part with it. Baldev isn't the sacrificing sort and wouldn't be able to part with someone he loves. He might not realise it yet but he will love that child and then I can't see him giving it up. That wouldn't be in Baldev's character. I'm 100% sure he'd change his mind and if the father wants to keep their child then what can anyone else do? Though Veera can be a cow sometimes, I can't imagine her forcing Baldev into giving their child up not if he doesn't want to. Lately they've showed how much she loves him and even put up with his BS and rash decisions and him ordering her about and I can't imagine that Veera forcing Baldev into giving up their child if he loves it and doesn't want to.

Realistically I don't think this child giving will happen. VeeBa are human and would love their child like any good parent would and despite what they promised their siblings would deep down as time went along want to keep him until one day it'd all get too much and they'd come out with it. I can't imagine VeeBa being that unfeeling that they'd be able to go through with it. That's their first child together and they're it's parents who'll experience everything together from pregnancy to childbirth to seeing it for the first time and I can't imagine it being as easy as they're making it seem to disregard all that and act like it isn't theirs. They wouldn't be able to do it and that's what I choose to believe because the other option is unthinkable and scary.

Also you're right the last episode was crap and none of it was believable. It was forced and cheesy and you're right there's no guarantee that Gunjan has changed and in fact I don't think she has and I couldn't buy Bansuri suddenly wishing well on everyone overnight either. They seriously failed in making any of it believeable. They needed to show character development not overnight changes and fake and cheesy OTT moments. They failed big time. If they didn't want to deal with the problems they created then at the very least they could have shown an entertaining and fun last episode rather than a dull one. I mean it wouldn't have been hard. But no they decided to go for cheesy and fake and it made me feel like i just wasted time watching that episode. It had nothing worth watching in it. They've produced lots of better episodes than their last one and I don't why they chose to bow out in a such a dull and anti climactic way.
Edited by Maria_Shaukat_9 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kiely

I hate Gunjan to the core and the way these people keep justifying her is even more irritating. What's worse is they even made Baldev an obsessive bro. As @indiaphorums said if we ignore the last "GunDev" track, Baldev would never ever give his baby to anyone not even Gunjan. He toh anywaya doesn't like Ranvi 😆.
So basically Bansuri and Gunjan are the same - selfish, cruel, vamps etc
They can never love anyone truly except their spouses (not even their own children). The last track also left a very bad taste in my opinions regarding Gunjan. If we go by their justification of Gunjan's insecurity, then she will do some or the other evil in the future coz apparently she can't be a mother. So she has a license to do eveything coz of her insecurity.


You're right Gunjan ruins everyone's life and everyone excuses her actions because she can't be a mother. Like if she killed someone it'd be justified as saying she was insecure about not being able to be a mother so killed someone. It's her get out of jail free card. The other day after the reveal of how Gunjan gave Dilawar the khet, I was happy seeing Baldev saying to Gunjan how she's ruined everyone's life and ruined their relationships and how his wife won't even talk to him because of her. It was all true and she deserved a lot more but by the end of the episode Baldev was apologising to Gunjan as if he was in the wrong. Ugh it was so annoying and Gunjan didn't even stop him as if he's in the wrong when actually everything he said was true. She was putting zeher in all of their lives.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Also while I'm on the point of ranting I'd also like to say that in one those episodes after Gunjam giving the khet to Dilawar was revealed there was a scene where Baldev and Gunjan told Bansuri off and I didn't like how Baldev was all like that "before you used to just taunt Veera and turn everyone against her and I just thought it was a saas bahu thing and now you're doing it to Geet too?" I didn't like how he acted as it's okay for Bansuri to treat Veera like that and it's nothing and is normal. He acted like it was a normal thing for his mother to treat his wife like that and justified it as a saas bahu thing but the line was only drawn at other's in his eyes.

Like wth that's your wife and it isn't normal for your mother to treat her like that and neither is it okay and you clearly seeing it and seeing what your mother is like and not doing anything and ignoring it and acting like it's no big deal is just wrong and not fair to your wife at all. I didn't like that at all. I didn't like how he didn't care how Bansuri treats Veera and brought it up with her only because of her treatment towards Geet as if he thinks her treatment of Veera is ok but only draws the line at others when it should be the other way around.
Edited by Maria_Shaukat_9 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I agree... its like it doesn't matter to anyone... just a formality... and also all the actors left acting as if there is nothing to do... be it ranvi hospitalisation... or his come back or anything all looked so artificial...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maria_Shaukat_9

Also while I'm on the point of ranting I'd also like to say that in one those episodes after Gunjam giving the khet to Dilawar was revealed there was a scene where Baldev and Gunjan told Bansuri off and I didn't like how Baldev was all like that "before you used to just taunt Veera and turn everyone against her and I just thought it was a saas bahu thing and now you're doing it to Geet too?" I didn't like how he acted as it's okay for Bansuri to treat Veera like that and it's nothing and is normal. He acted like it was a normal thing for his mother to treat his wife like that and justified it as a saas bahu thing but the line was only drawn at other's in his eyes.


Like wth that's your wife and it isn't normal for your mother to treat her like that and neither is it okay and you clearly seeing it and seeing what your mother is like and not doing anything and ignoring it and acting like it's no big deal is just wrong and not fair to your wife at all. I didn't like that at all. I didn't like how he didn't care how Bansuri treats Veera and brought it up with her only because of her treatment towards Geet as if he thinks her treatment of Veera is ok but only draws the line at others when it should be the other way around.

But if you remember pre-marriage he would always stick up for Veera against Bansuri, and obviously post-marriage alot had happened! And the respect/love he had for Veera wasn't the same ...
Still can't believe the show has ended but what a disappointing ending
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Posted: 10 years ago
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gunveera scene were a huge disappointment... totally fake... anyways good dat the show ended the torturing audience, butchering of characters got over 😃
i will miss veeba/vishana❤️
Edited by sam_sf - 10 years ago

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