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Posted: 11 years ago
star mahabharat has overglorified karan & arjun.fact is that both were at faults manty times.bt its upon choice.arjun chose krishna & karan chose duryodhana.same as in real life we may be also wrong or right.bt it is up to our choice of way & ideals.😛
karna suffered frm severe inferiority complex becoz of his cast so he become puppet of duryodhana becoz he gave him false respect & kingdom.he himself destroyed his strength just to please duryogdhana & stopped using his mind & heart.can you participate or ignore ur friends evil deeds just to obey him in real life.more than being friend karna was indebted to duryodhan thatswhy he never tried to stop him doing conspiracy & all sorts of cruelty over ppl.he was more concerned abt following his vachan than humanity. if anyone was truly responsible for karan pain,it was kunti.😡
bt star mb is presenting him as too much bechara & majboor who he was not.
he suffered frm partiality & injustice bt instead of rising against it he supported duryodhana who made whole kingdom suffered in pain & injustice.

i dont feel sorry for duryodhana at all.he was maha papi .even ravan was saint in front of him.bt he was also very powerful.this was nt potrayed in mahabharat.star mahabharat seems to be interested in promoting fan following rather than truth.bt still it is classic show😃

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Amri-

@GredandForge

Before coming to your very pertinent questions about Baldev and his character growth, I'd like to ask some questions in my turn.


First of all...Who is Veera?😃

Veera is the lead😛

What is her ambition in life? At least for Baldev, we knew that he wanted to become the Sarpanch. Ranvi became a singer (in three episodes!), but still, his passion for singing was fructified.

I never got the impression that Ranvi wanted to become a singer. The way I see it, Ranvi does things which others ask him to. Music is his passion but we were never showed that he wanted to become a singer. All this happened in a matter of few episodes.


But Veera? What are her interests, apart from her encouraging her Veerji, singing the praises of Ratan and Ranvi, or pursuing her Papaji ka sapna?

Ranvi's aim was also to fulfill his dad's dream. Isn't that aim enough? To get the college up and running is no small task. It needs a lot of effort put in not only in the beginning but throughout. A college needs supervision so as far as doing and achieving something is the question, she has done fairly well IMO.



Apparently she is a graduate and wanted to pursue her higher education abroad. Doesn't the self-denial of the opportunity bother her, not even for a second? 😲

Now this, I agree. In the way of showing her sacrifice, her love for her family, they haven't focused on her individual disappointments but I guess those sort of things are never shown on soaps. Its left to the written fiction only.


Granted, she came to know about her family's poor financial health and what they did for her and willingly turned down her personal ambitions to do something in return. But doesn't that make her even a little bitter? 😕More importantly, doesn't she ever feel like an outsider in her family, whom she knows are not her blood relatives?😕

Yeah. The whole half-truth and Gunjan's tantrum was brushed under the carpet skirting the main issue. But you never know, they might bring it up again.


Doesn't she feel offended by Ratan's continued preference for her son who happens to be of her own blood? How her (perhaps)natural affection for her flesh and blood eclipses her professed 'love' for Veera, her proclaimed daughter, every time?


No. The makers want to show only parts that are hunky-dory.

Yeah. So we have absolutely NO answers to these questions.🤢At least Baldev ko chodo, he is the female lead's romantic interest (which is what he has been relegated to being, he has no personal characteristics left whatsoever).



But what about the protagonist herself? For God's sake, the show is named Veera, it's eponymous and is supposed to show the emotional journeys and travails of the protagonist.



Veera herself has no character growth😡. At least Baldev was shown as softening and growing because of Veera's influence. But there has been no progress as far as Veera, the individual is concerned.

What else do you want Veera to change? She is already perfect given she is the female lead.
Loves her family-Check
Sacrifices for them-Check
Has a love interest-Check😆
What is this character growth that everyone keeps talking about? What were shown as her flaws?
I feel like I am missing something that everyone else can clearly see.

What she does for the love interest needs to be seen so I think its too early to judge whether she loves him deeply or not.
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And now...coming to your very interesting questions about Baldev...Bang on post! ⭐️These are questions which have plagued me since this love-shove business took over.

Thank you!

I don't know about others, but if someone shot my childhood dream down mercilessly, if someone hampered an ambition that I cherished with all my heart from fructifying, I would never forgive them. NEVER.😳

Even if I do forgive them. I won't stop thinking about it even if I have fallen in love with someone else.

But Baldev ne Veera ke eik lecture suni aur uska mann badal gaya. I am yet to figure out how exactly he forgot his Sarpanch dream. But yes, I buy very much the idea that he's always had a soft spot for Veera and couldn't bear to hurt her willingly (as evidenced by the sprain incident). I am convinced that he does care for her deeply, and that his heart loves her with all its might.😳

I always took that as an isolated incident. She showed him that he was doing damage to the ladies of his village and hence he helped her. I never thought that every past resentment was gonna be washed in that one lecture. Its ridiculous.

But the emotional conflicts that he might have experienced, the conflict between his head and his heart, were completely neglected. The heart wants what the heart wants, right? But how did Baldev start listening to his heart? Isn't he the one who said, Mardon ko pyaar nahin honnda?😲

He even said that on the bridge in Poland. You know, it would have made sense if they still showed that he thinks she loves him and he is just "nibhafying zimmedari" like earlier.

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So therein we have the root of all the problems.😃 Cutting a long story short...The moral is that the show's makers have completely invested their writing in depicting the love stories, but are utterly unconcerned about developing characters as individuals, showing them grow, depicting their idiosyncrasies, the changes in their psyches, etc,.🤢

Word! What I infer is that they are reacting according to the feedback. Viewers enjoy Baldev's scenes hence that is shown. No other thought.

It all began with Gunjan, who initially fascinated me so much because of the neglect she faced which made her the person she is. I still haven't figured out how the character took a 360 degree turn, or how Ranvi's love for her gave her some validation and a whole new start in terms of emotional fulfillment.

I will continue resolving to not invest much into the show. To not have expectations and yet fall for it again.😆


It began with Gunjan, and it continues with Veera and Baldev...As for Ranvi, he is the least developed among all, so not going to go there at all!!!🥱

He has become a puppet in the hands of the women of his family.

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PHEW!!! That marks the end of my rant.😊 Hope you had the patience to come to this:) If yes, I commend you heartily for your endurance. Thanks!And awesome post once again!⭐️

Thanks again😳
And it was good reading such a long reply.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rogerrocks



Thats it? Thats such an indifferent response..Like your better half in the YHM forum..That person is rubbing off on you 🥺😆

Ab yeh kaun hai?😆

Acha baba. Will give you a longer reply😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: imdevil

star mahabharat has overglorified karan & arjun.fact is that both were at faults manty times.bt its upon choice.arjun chose krishna & karan chose duryodhana.same as in real life we may be also wrong or right.bt it is up to our choice of way & ideals.😛

karna suffered frm severe inferiority complex becoz of his cast so he become puppet of duryodhana becoz he gave him false respect & kingdom.he himself destroyed his strength just to please duryogdhana & stopped using his mind & heart.can you participate or ignore ur friends evil deeds just to obey him in real life.more than being friend karna was indebted to duryodhan thatswhy he never tried to stop him doing conspiracy & all sorts of cruelty over ppl.he was more concerned abt following his vachan than humanity. if anyone was truly responsible for karan pain,it was kunti.😡
bt star mb is presenting him as too much bechara & majboor who he was not.
he suffered frm partiality & injustice bt instead of rising against it he supported duryodhana who made whole kingdom suffered in pain & injustice.

i dont feel sorry for duryodhana at all.he was maha papi .even ravan was saint in front of him.bt he was also very powerful.this was nt potrayed in mahabharat.star mahabharat seems to be interested in promoting fan following rather than truth.bt still it is classic show😃



duryodhan was not that bad a ruler i think ..., one good thing about him was he didnt mind caste of any people..., and atleast he didnt stake his wife...

he is much better than yudishtir ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
Urgh am late 😆 You know i agree with everything you just said right? 😆 We have discussed this so much that anything i add to this post is gonna sound redundant 😆 I still feel they could have used that phase where Baldev was heart-broken to create wonders..That typical 'i hate you like i love you' kind with a twist..I love watching scenes where the hero is trying so hard to hate the girl but there are those moments where he cant help but care for her.
Angst. We are suckers for angst😆
I remember thinking how this love story didn't have all those troubles that plagued other couples but I still need my dose of seriousness. Also, who'll give up an opportunity to see Vishal do something like that?😳

.Remember the 'sapnon ki duniya' scene where Arnav is downright brutal to Kushi but melts the moment he sees her in tears? Or all those scenes where Asad was downright annoyed with Zoya yet couldn't help but smile at her antics? 😆 I know this is not a Gul Khan show but they really could have tried to show that angst & conflict between the mind & heart..They had the perfect platform after Baldev was heartbroken..But alas, these writers were more interested in showing 'Ratan Swarozghar Yojana' & Veera evolving crappy schemes to empower women 😆 It just takes one well written scene, one monologue or one instance where he introspects his feelings.

We need Gul to handle these tracks on every show😆 And they've completely ignored Baldev's POV here. That is really disappointing. We were waiting for it and it never happened🥺

.Now i guess its too late to ask for all that 😆 The only demands i have from this show at this point are

1) Vishal should stop trimming his goddamn hair and go back to the way he looked in the Sarpanch track 😆
2) Eff those shirts & please start wearing kurtas 😆
3) Stop playing that utterly ridiculous bgm in random romantic scenes 😆
4) Focus on Vishal's eyes 😆
5)Show a palatable love story without cliched or cheesy romance 😆
6) No replacements..I just cant take replacements 😆

Bas..Its reached a stage where this is all i expect from this show 😆

I second all the above. Just add that Vishal needs to lose a teeny bit of weight and its perfect😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: GredandForge



If Vishal needs to lose lil bit of weight , Di should lose atleast 10 kilos 😆😆😆😆😆

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: divyasn



If Vishal needs to lose lil bit of weight , Di should lose atleast 10 kilos 😆


Sure. Why not.

But I never knew this was a comparison and contest.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: GredandForge


Sure. Why not.

But I never knew this was a comparison and contest.



it is not a comparison -- their jodi should look compatible .. rt
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: divyasn



it is not a comparison -- their jodi should look compatible .. rt


Which has nothing to do with weight.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: GredandForge

Ab yeh kaun hai?😆

Acha baba. Will give you a longer reply😆



Stop acting oblivious 😛 You know who am referring to..Tumhara pyaar 😳😆

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