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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ TM, awesome post😛 fully agree with what you have written..
i made a similar one before...😳

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: overactor

@HBD. im finally free and ready to debate so bring it on now.

firstly they were never nemesis..no no..even as kids baldev cared for her..when the snake bit her when she caught him stealing and he pushed her and she hit the wall..the concern he has today was present in a faintish way even then..and even then she used to snatch his toys and use them and told him stuff and whatever he said she believed..just calling some1 ur enemy doesnt make him..a relation different than friendship looks like hatred but is actually far from it..

secondly i dnt want her to step in his shes or think like him..the behaviour she used on monday and after the baisakhi celebrations was👎🏼 at that moment if it was when he said i'll send my parents to ur house or when he first hand propsed her it would have been a diff scenario..even during the date she was happy almost said yes that she loved him but the next moment she becomes a total hypocrite and insults him..

yes he was the person who tied her up who fought with her..but he is also the person who undertstands her..who cares for her..who tolerates her..who never abuses or misbehaves with her..who treats her like his equal..yes he does take her as his equal even after being a village boy whose mother has a narrow mind..he is brought up with narrow views but never once has he implied them on veera..he wants her to sit behind him on the bike bcoz he's prtective and this is chivalry and in no way an insult but what she does is..she gives lame excuses puts up challenges and when he wins she changes her direction..




@overactor: I don't think I'm going to be very good at debating at the moment (or ever, actually!), but all I can say again is that I think I do get where you're coming from.

Maybe we shouldn't be using the words 'wrong' here...I mean both Veera and Baldev are wrong, both of them are right (in the sense that I feel like the way they're reacting and dealing with things seems to be in keeping with their characters as I've understood them).

I think you're saying that Veera ought to be more considerate toward Baldev and appreciate all that he's done for her and try to help him find the right path without putting him down or insulting him at every turn. Well, sure, it's perfectly fine to want that. You like Baldev and you'd like to see him be treated better by the girl he loves, and is doing so much for.

All I can say is that I like Baldev, I like Veera, and I like VeeBa. They intrigue me both as individual characters as well as a pair. They each have major flaws that can frustrate me at times, but they also have endearing qualities that make me like them. And I like the VeeBa equation and the way it has been written so far.

So jab woh ek doosre ko boora balla kehte hain etc., mujhe kissi ek ke liya bahut zyada boora nahi lagta. Kyunki mujhe jitna samajh main aata hai, unka equation hi aisa hai. Point in case, jis bath ke liye logon ko Baldev ke liye itna boora lag raha hai, woh kudh usko bura nahi le raha hai! Veera se itna kuch sunne ke baad, he still turned up the next day at the Gurudwara to pray that her prayers are answered and ended up once again stating that he was going to marry her. And if you notice, she also treated him normally...she wasn't sulking or being mad at him for the incident that happened the day before.

Only, I don't see this as her leading him on. Whether she realizes it or not, Baldev is an important person in her life. She doesn't hate him, she probably even likes him in her own way. He's just there. And they just are. She just hasn't figured out that she may more than like him.

She's never hesitated in appreciating him for his good even if she may not be very verbal about it, and she's also never hesitated in calling him out on his flaws, even if she's more verbal and haughty than required about this at times!


And they're perfectly capable of having normal (or whatever constitutes for 'normal' for them) conversations etc. in between their nok-jhoks and fights and disagreements.

Veera may not see all of Baldev's good qualities and needs and wants at the moment, but doesn't mean that she hates him or totally dislikes him. Shayad woh usse itna respect nahi karti at the moment...par ye uska prerogative hai. She has certain parameters for respect and if she sees that in Baldev she'll definitely start respecting him.

She's never compared herself to him to show him down.

She's just said that for her to even to think of marrying him (and for any girl in her view), it's important that he earns a living of some sort and learns to stand on his own two feet. Haan, shayad agar ye baat woh Ranvi ya kissi aur ko samjha rahi hothi toh uska tareekha alag hotha, par ab woh Baldev ke saath jaisi hai, waisi hai.

Regarding the whole why doesn't she just say 'No' more firmly instead of throwing challenges and then not honoring them etc., well, I honestly don't get this. There have been numerous occasions where she has said no. Baldev just won't consider it. As for, ok then why can't she tell her Beeji and Ranvi or take him to the police station etc...umm...I don't see VeeBa ever running to others to solve their problems for them. As far as they're concerned, this is between them and they'll sort it out as they see fit. (Baldev could also have just gone to his parents and come to her house with rishta, but he won't until he sorts the whole thing out with her personally first...if you know what I mean.)

The whole point of writing that post from Veera's point of view was not to say that it's OK for other characters to belittle or put down Baldev. The point was to see if I could show how things may have looked from her perspective. It's what I understood of her and her actions, when I put myself in her shoes. That's all.

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And it's perfectly fine that you'd rather not do the same.


(Ab main isse se zyada nahi boloongi, 'cos I'm not sure if I'm being as clear as I would like to be. Already mujhe lag raha hai ki main ek hi baat ko ghuma phira ke baar baar bol rahi hoon!)


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@monumolu, @manishasatpathy, @VintageWine: I'm not quite sure how to reply to your comments, 'cos I think agar main reply karne bhi jaoongi, toh jo ab tak likha hai, unhi cheezon ko dhohrathi rahoongi. All I can say is that like I've said to overactor above, I think see where you're coming from and I hope you can see where I'm coming from, from all that I've written here so far. If not, well, that's perfectly OK, too. That's all.

😊
Edited by herebedragons - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
HBD...your replies are like your analyses...always very thoughtful!😊

I look forward to reading more of your commentary, whenever you feel the need to post...I'm sure we'll all be in for some interesting points.😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@HBD I have no hidden Baldev glorify strategy. Veera can call a spade a spade. She could have told him, I want my husband to be a person as educated as myself or even better than me! That is fair and square! She could have told him on face I would never settle down for a person who is jobless and who does not earn a living. But telling someone you do not have an identity is extremely rude according to my yard stick. Above all that it is totally unfair to shove away someone by telling that no girl would ever want to marry him!!!


In real life also we do reject people but there is a civil way of doing it. When I am vouching for Baldev all I meant is this guy too deserves respect! I have never seen Veera respecting him, even during the dance face off while Karan was around she stamped Baldev's feet just because he caught her while she was about to fall. Her big fat ego never allows her to accept the fact that he can be nice. Outside the Balli internet cafe scene also she taunted Baldev when he helped her from the goons that she did not need his help, if that was not enough she continued, "Tujh jaison ki madad leke mainu raat mein neend bhi nahi aayega!"


Tabela scene I did not say Veera was wrong, there Baldev was wrong! Even once when she raised her hand on Baldev I would not say she was wrong because without a proof and infront of outsiders he called her mehabooba of Karan!!! That was not a polite word for Baldev to use, so I did not find anything wrong with Veera then!!!


I have problem only with this lack of respect!!! I did feel those two comments does not befit the model of conduct of a girl!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ HBD just tell me if u watched this serial pre-leap or not..b4 i comment further i should know that
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ hbd its nice to discuss with u really..i love healthy debates😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: monumolu

@HBD I have no hidden Baldev glorify strategy. Veera can call a spade a spade. She could have told him, I want my husband to be a person as educated as myself or even better than me! That is fair and square! She could have told him on face I would never settle down for a person who is jobless and who does not earn a living. But telling someone you do not have an identity is extremely rude according to my yard stick. Above all that it is totally unfair to shove away someone by telling that no girl would ever want to marry him!!!



In real life also we do reject people but there is a civil way of doing it. When I am vouching for Baldev all I meant is this guy too deserves respect! I have never seen Veera respecting him, even during the dance face off while Karan was around she stamped Baldev's feet just because he caught her while she was about to fall. Her big fat ego never allows her to accept the fact that he can be nice. Outside the Balli internet cafe scene also she taunted Baldev when he helped her from the goons that she did not need his help, if that was not enough she continued, "Tujh jaison ki madad leke mainu raat mein neend bhi nahi aayega!"


Tabela scene I did not say Veera was wrong, there Baldev was wrong! Even once when she raised her hand on Baldev I would not say she was wrong because without a proof and infront of outsiders he called her mehabooba of Karan!!! That was not a polite word for Baldev to use, so I did not find anything wrong with Veera then!!!


I have problem only with this lack of respect!!! I did feel those two comments does not befit the model of conduct of a girl!!!

@bold..👏..exactly
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Awesome post,, ⭐️
Totally agreed on whatever you've written, coz that's the truth.
Veera isn't wrong, she seems arrogant with Baldev but her acts are all justified, coz she sees Baldev as her old enemy whose goodness she's just recently been discovering!!

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