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Originally posted by: overactor
bcoz i can't control im posting the things i posted earlier on my post
Baldev is the loneliest person in Veera...he has never seen or experienced tru love or care or affection from anyone in his life. He doesn't even know what love is..Balwant has never ever loved him or even considered him his son and he has some responsibility towards him..only providing clothes toys food is not what a child needs..a child needs love attention and care..he needs to be brought up with values and morals which balwant never felt like giving him...then there is bansuri who pampered him just because he is a boy and she has a low mentality..but even she never gave him any real motherly love ever...papmering is not a parents only job..as a child you never understand that all this is wrong u enjoy being pampered and spoiled and so baldev was an arrogant brat when he was a kid...this made him an arrogant egoistic brat and he didnt even make real friends and didnt focus on his studies or his future..his equation with his sister was also a bad one again thanks to their parents who never tried to sort out anything.As he grew up he got a dream which he thought was his own and he never did anything special to get it. But then finally he found love..when Veera hugged him he went to a different world..because before this no1 ever thought of him as worthy..no1 shared anything of their own or his with them..his parents were busy either blaming him or pampering and spoiling his..his friends though loyal are more of his side kicks then true friends who share ur sorrows and worries..but Veera did that always even when kids she believed his words and he believed hers..Veera was and is special to him..he fights with her and she fights back..he talks she talks they listen to each other...so in Veera he found a friend and his true soul mate...He knows nothing about her yet he knows everything and the pain that he felt when she said he didnt was too much..he knows she likes kulfis...he mentioned after that hug..he knows what she wants..what she feels..it was always clear to him that she felt for karan..he felt her pain more than others..The fact that she didnt know anything stabbed him...the only person he thought is his in true sense who understands who believes in him more than he himself does who trusts him let him down when she called him ajeeb..He loves and wants to get married to her and make her his own for eternity because he has only her who listens to him who corrects his mistakes who wants to teach him a lesson..which his parents failed to do...Baldev is very lonely inside..a stone on the outside..bull strong...yet has a heart that melts as ice..his inner self is of a lonely person who has a lot to tell but no1 to listen..and his outer self is of the brat his parents made him..he himself doesnt feel it untill she is around him or until she makes fun of him that does hurt him but he doesnt show as the stone on the outside is too strong.and then..imagine u had no friends in school or college always sat alone ur whole life ate alone lived in hostels and talked only to walls...and suddenly u find one person who feels u r worth talking and starts a convo and makes u happy understands u..wont u want to be with that one person always and to get her/him to urself wont u do every stupid or sensible thing in ur book to get that person be with u...his band baaja his desperation to get married is bcoz he has found his soulmate and he wants to be with her 24/7..is that too much for a loner
Overactor, I get what you're saying and where you're coming from, I do.
Just because Veera isn't wrong, doesn't automatically mean that Baldev is.
Like I said in my reply to your first comment on this post, I totally think he's not wrong either in that he's approaching this in his own unique way as well.
Below is an excerpt from a reply of mine to a comment in JE post in the past:
Originally posted by: herebedragons
If I put myself in Baldev's shoes, I'd say it's in his character to get what he wants. He's been shown as an irresponsible spoilt brat who's endearing and good-at-heart for sure, but still spoilt. He doesn't see why Veera would NOT want to get married to him, 'cos he simply does not see himself as someone who any girl would not want to marry...in his own words, he's a catch. Plus, I genuinely feel that he's in love with Veera...he respects her on some level as someone who's on equal footing as him (The 'pind di sherni' to his 'pind da sher') and he's genuinely developed feelings for her, which haven't been acknowledged as such yet.
So he definitely wants to marry her for more reasons than one, but the only thing he tells Veera is that I'm going to marry you, why on earth wouldn't you want to marry me etc. True, lately he's been trying to be more open in showing her that he understands her like no-one else and that he can be a responsible person, but based on Veera's earlier impression of him, this (along with her newly developing 'feelings' for him) just seems to be confusing her at the moment.
So basically, you're right...if you look at it from each character's POV, nither of them is really 'wrong'.
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If your objection with Veera is that she's not trying to see why he is the way he is and putting herself in HIS shoes and empathizing with him and dealing with him in a nicer way and trying to teach him the error of his ways and helping him become a better person by giving him the love that he's so obviously lacked so far, well, then,
1) VeeBa have always been each others nemesis before Baldev started feeling differently. Their equation has never been one of friends who hear each other out, put each other in the other's shoes and try to solve one another's problems.
(Having said that, she's never NOT been appreciative of him when he's done something nice or been there for her. SHE apologised for thinking he'd ruined the solar panels, SHE thanked him for being there for her when she had no one else, and told him that she may have judged him wrongly. She's never shied back from praising him or saying nice things about him when he does something sweet or nice.)
Baldev has never given any indication to Veera that he wants her to be his friend and be there for him either. One of my favourite dialogues of his is the one he shouts outside her house when he is drunk...the one where he goes 'Yeh kya baat hui, ek main hi hoon jo tera khayaal rakhta rehta hoon...teri koi zimmedari nahi banti kya' or something like that. I loved it, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how she nibhaofies her share of the zimmedari once she develops proper feelings for him, but Veera doesn't know he thinks this way. We know, 'cos we saw him say it. During the anniversary party, he does tell her to stop thinking of him as bewakoof, and points out to her that while he always keeps her troubles in mind irrespective of their dushmani, she doesn't even know what makes him happy...and I think it was kind of a wake-up call to her, but it wasn't enough to overcome the 21 year equation they've had till then...plus, she was distracted to begin with in that scene as we saw.
(Aur phir, yeh toh CVs ke upar hai ki woh Veera ko kaise dikhana chahte hai aur kis waqt pe, kis cheez ke upar uske kya reactions dikhana chahte hain. They're ultimately the ones who've created her.)
2) Like Sunny I think said in a comment on another post on this topic, WE know why he did what he did and how he feels about her AND we've got an understanding of how he may actually feel more for her than he's letting on, AND we really get what his childhood has been like, AND what the atmosphere in his home really is, what his equation with his father is really like, what he really wants and needs from his father and from Veera etc. AND why he's maybe doing what he's doing the way he's doing it, 'cos we've had the benefit of seeing his reactions when he's not around Veera, his conversations with himself and his scenes with the other characters. Veera doesn't. She can only make inferences based on her dealings and experiences with him, and then react in a way that's in keeping with her character.
I don't blame Baldev for acting the way he is, he's just being him (I totally adore his Baldev-ness!).
And based on what I understand of his character, I don't think he'll ever let up on his idea of marrying Veera (Personally, I don't want him to), 'cos
a) Like he himself has said, Baldev Singh always gets what he wants once he's decided he wants it (well, he'll die trying anyway) and never gives up on a challenge...and what is Veera if not a chalti-phirti challenge? and
b) I really feel that he genuinely loves Veera. And he probably loves her because of who she is...the 'Sherni' to his 'Sher', someone who never shies away from challenging him or saying exactly what she thinks of him. They have an equation of equals, which is why I mentioned that the way she said what she said didn't matter to me 'cos I don't think Baldev himself takes it to heart. (Point in case, after all that jhadofying in yesterday's episode (for which we're all hurt and outraged on his behalf), he turns up at the Gurudwara today to tell Rabji to give her whatever she wants, and then tells her they're still going to get married no matter what.)
Baldev Singh may be flawed, and irresponsible and immature at times, but he can also be sweet and endearing and adorable. It's what makes him, HIM (Veera needs to set him on the right path without totally eradicating the Baldev-ness, yo!)
I think you'll agree with me when I say that he's always stuck by and been there for the people he loves. There's no half-way with him. He either does, or doesn't. And if he loves you, he's yours. Bas. (Or so I choose to believe.)
He loves Veera, even though he's currently convinced that 'love' is not something he'll 'do', and just knows that they belong together, and will do everything he can to make that happen.
The way he's going about it may not always be the right way, but then no two people are alike, and he's just being Baldev...and part of who he is, is a direct result of how he was raised, his upbringing etc..
So who can blame him?
But my point is that Veera can't be blamed for reacting the way she is either, 'cos she is who she is, she has every right to react the way she feels like, and plus all she's getting from Baldev is 'We ARE going to end up together whether you like it or not' as opposed to 'I love you, and want to spend the rest of my life with you etc.' (Among other things).
Okay, I'm going to stop writing now 'cos the more I say, the more I think I want to say. I seem to be in one of my moods today...and this may turn into a half-assed version of that post I said I wanted to write from Baldev's POV!
I have no idea if I've made any kind of point, and you don't have to agree with anything. Like I said, we can amicably agree to disagree. (Waise bhi, I think the point of this lamba-choda reply was to say that I do kind of agree with you!)
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