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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angels11

Guys Am I the only one who is totally confused by the character of Suman? As an independent, working woman I can understand her obsession with self respect. I also get it that she was publicly humiliated by Shravan & what hurt her was that it was planned in cold blood unlike when she humiliated him on a whim.

But i still dont understand how she doesnt feel bad even once about the broken friendship & the hurt she caused Shravan. She herself is so emotionally attached to her mom, then how can she not understand Shravan's pain if she really was his friend.

This Blow Hot, Blow cold attitude of hers leaves me cold. I am really confused by her characterization. Even at workplace while they show her workers empathize with her & try to help her, I am yet to see a single instance where she empathizes with her employees. There seems to be a big gaping hole in her characterization. I am able to understand Shravan's actions, behavior, pain but somehow Suman's struggle most of the times seem to be self-inflicted.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel the same. I definitely dont want a Mother India Gopi Vahu types FL but having said that should the CVs not try to make her at least slightly likeable? Actually i find her similar to ASR from IPK. Troubled/confused childhood, orphan, rude to others, bloated sense of ego. But at the end of the day KKG ended up falling in love with ASR. Is EDKV reverse of IPK. A rude, egoistic FL finally falling for a kind ML. Sorry for the comparisons. This is just to bring out the characteristics of Suman.

Please share your thoughts!





Agree with u dear...me bhi itni confused hu...shravan ka character se me connect ho pa rahi hu par suman ka self-respect muje ego hi lagta hai...shravan abhi bhi suman Ko hi payaar karta hai bhalehi usne party me usko insult Kari ho yaa phir avoid par uske emotions dikhai dete hai par suman ki side sabkuch blank hi hai...shaysd writer confused hai aur promo to bilkul ulte hai Jo ab tak dikha rage hai usse to I think writer thoda to suman Ko sensible dikhaye at least apni galti man sake itna to dikhahi sakte hai...i hope ki writer uske character Ko acche se nikhare agar aesa hi hota rahega to phir drama me kuch maza nahi aayega...abhi ke liye mere hisab se shravan ke character Ko bahot acche se describe Kara hai usme sare emotions ka balance hai...
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Posted: 9 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: gauriangel

Loved the discussion. ..Anu and Shalini

I would like to say few things wat I can make out of Suman character

Sumo is not bad..There are people like that..who are.. u can't say insensitive towards the pain of others...but they are like it's not a big deal yaar kind of people...
no I am not defending her actions...whatever she said to young Shravan was wrong...

But they don't give a thought to their actions in that depth..what grave mistake they have done samajna is little difficult for them...

Some people hold on to that heartfelt apology. ..until and unless they get that they dont move on...Some seek revenge...Some just forget..In literal sense forget...some move on with time...sab ka alag alag hota h..

Regarding the canteen ladies...u can see how much preeto likes suman...suman might not talk pyar se unke sath...but she is never ill towards them...neither hates them...kya kya logo k mu hi mirchi lagi hoti hai..🤣..though they are good at heart..

I guess here we are expecting a little conscience on her part...but there are people who don't judge their each n every action...
its the way she is..A little rude to shravan and canteen ladies,a little sweet to Nanu and dabbu, a little submissive towards mami , a little nice chilled out friend to Pushkar...
She is not evil..she is in fact very relatable to normal human being...who is with flaws...

Just give her sometime ...We will like her eventually. .

Anu ...I liked You compared her to Mighty ASR. ...She does give ASR vibes...

And I do believe she is not in love with Shravan. .yet...she considers him or used to consider him a very good friend bas...
And maybe once she falls in love...We will see changes in her..



Hey i really loved ur post. Very balanced & practical. yeah i agree that she is quite normal. Neither psychotic nor Mother India. She is neither kind nor unkind. She is some1 who is honest, goes bt her business & never troubles anyone. The problem is at least in my life I have never seen anyone falling in love with a character like that. I mean no guy would be attracted to a girl like that. So may be thats why i find it kinda weird to see Shravan love her. But then in that case even other shows where they show the hero as intense & arrogant but the girl falls for him are also not real. So basically in really life no girl falls in love with an ASR nor no guy falls in love with a Sumo 😆

I love your last line. So far Sumo doesnt love anyone except her dead mom. She has affection for Nanu, Daboo, childhood Shravan & true friendship for Pushkar. But till now she doesnt truly love anyone. So will be interesting to see how she behaves once she actually falls in love. Maybe then her behavior ll be more reasonable.

I think the CVs ve introduced this Urvashi track only for this. Shravan knows he has always loved Suman. But till now Suman has always considered Shravan only as a friend. May be now that equation might change 😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalz_123

Just Butting in...a query...we r repeatedly saying... cant sumo understand shravan wud be hurt to think tht she cud think so lowly of him...doesnt the same thing applied to him... Wont sumo b also angry to think how can shravan think she wud stoop so low to accept money that too 3 lakhs from him for something he is not even responsible for...


Yup..He could have asked her..or proposed to help her with money..But he handed it over directly...
This was because he too doesn't know this new Sumo..who wont take penny from anyone which doesn't belong to her...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalz_123

Just Butting in...a query...we r repeatedly saying... cant sumo understand shravan wud be hurt to think tht she cud think so lowly of him...doesnt the same thing applied to him... Wont sumo b also angry to think how can shravan think she wud stoop so low to accept money that too 3 lakhs from him for something he is not even responsible for...



I have a different take on this. Contrary to Suman's accusation that he is a BHAGODE, Shravan is a fixer. He thinks logically & i am guessing that's why he is a successful lawyer. He owns up for his mistakes & tries to rectify him. In his mind he does accept that he was wrong in planning a cold blooded revenge & humiliating Suman before her friends. So when he learns that she met with an accident & incurred financial loss he owns up for his actions & tries to rectify them. Remember he considers the entire family of Suman as a family friend. So frm his view point he is not just giving money to Suman but he is actually helping his family friend who have suffered a loss of 3L indirectly due to his actions. He did not give it directly to Maami coz he respects elders & must ve thought it will look better if Suman gives it to them. After all they are all blaming her & he was hoping their behavior towards her will improve if she gives them the money.

But Suman never owns up for her mistakes. For her its always only her ego. Even her act of returning the 20L & now the 3L is more to do with her ego than genuine regret for her action. For eg she was not that hurt. She could ve easily asked the phone of 1 of the bystanders, called home, told them bt the accident & leave by cab. Thats what you & i w'd ve done. But no for Suman her ego is always important. There is a thin line between self-respect & ego. Self respect is returning money to Shravan. I totally agree with Suman on this since Shravan did call her a gold digger. But not owning up for her faults & being insensitive to others' feelings. Thats ego & not self respect.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angels11



I have a different take on this. Contrary to Suman's accusation that he is a BHAGODE, Shravan is a fixer. He thinks logically & i am guessing that's why he is a successful lawyer. He owns up for his mistakes & tries to rectify him. In his mind he does accept that he was wrong in planning a cold blooded revenge & humiliating Suman before her friends. So when he learns that she met with an accident & incurred financial loss he owns up for his actions & tries to rectify them. Remember he considers the entire family of Suman as a family friend. So frm his view point he is not just giving money to Suman but he is actually helping his family friend who have suffered a loss of 3L indirectly due to his actions. He did not give it directly to Maami coz he respects elders & must ve thought it will look better if Suman gives it to them. After all they are all blaming her & he was hoping their behavior towards her will improve if she gives them the money.

But Suman never owns up for her mistakes. For her its always only her ego. Even her act of returning the 20L & now the 3L is more to do with her ego than genuine regret for her action. For eg she was not that hurt. She could ve easily asked the phone of 1 of the bystanders, called home, told them bt the accident & leave by cab. Thats what you & i w'd ve done. But no for Suman her ego is always important. There is a thin line between self-respect & ego. Self respect is returning money to Shravan. I totally agree with Suman on this since Shravan did call her a gold digger. But not owning up for her faults & being insensitive to others' feelings. Thats ego & not self respect.

Here you are speculating a lot...in both scenarios...both Shravan n Suman...

to assume every action of hers being ego centric...i beg to differ... chalo koi nahi..u have ur views...i have mine... lets see what unfolds...

n anyone or watever reason gave me money without taking permission i would have been furious n break his head most probably...😆

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Posted: 9 years ago
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"I mean no guy would be attracted to a girl like that. So may be thats why i find it kinda weird to see Shravan love her. But then in that case even other shows where they show the hero as intense & arrogant but the girl falls for him are also not real. So basically in real life no girl falls in love with an ASR nor no guy falls in love with a Sumo 😆"
Harsh Truth..

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gauriangel

"I mean no guy would be attracted to a girl like that. So may be thats why i find it kinda weird to see Shravan love her. But then in that case even other shows where they show the hero as intense & arrogant but the girl falls for him are also not real. So basically in real life no girl falls in love with an ASR nor no guy falls in love with a Sumo 😆"

Harsh Truth..


But Who said we need to like whom we love... Its not necessarily we need to like everything about the one we love.. we love inspite of disliking few traits... And Sumo is flesh blood yaa.. not at all like mightly MnB harsh heros we see... ! i would totally love a person who started her own business, trying to pay off family's debt, be hot n cold... n be the imperfectly perfect girl... Perfect is boring... no spice in life...


Bas hum ladkiya hain to we can go oooh n aaahs for the hot Bande... even thou they r angry young man...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalz_123


But Who said we need to like whom we love... Its not necessarily we need to like everything about the one we love.. we love inspite of disliking few traits... And Sumo is flesh blood yaa.. not at all like mightly MnB harsh heros we see... ! i would totally love a person who started her own business, trying to pay off family's debt, be hot n cold... n be the imperfectly perfect girl... Perfect is boring... no spice in life...


Bas hum ladkiya hain to we can go oooh n aaahs for the hot Bande... even thou they r angry young man...


Angry rehne ka theka bas ladko ne leke rakha hai na..
Isliye ye hot head Sumo..samaj nai rahi sabko..

Being a girl she is expected to be sensitive towards everyone...she can't be ignorant to others emotions..she has to address them immediately. .think on it and rectify them...If not she is close to Evil...


and Regarding the Harsh Truth. ..we won't fall in love with the bad ones in Reality ..but there are certain good things in bad people which comes out ...which are more highlighted for those who will fall in love with them...

Sab ache ache nai hote duniya mei...people with flaws se hi kam chalana padta hai..😆.
I do believe in optimisation and that people change ...and this Suman will change too..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Aah the day is made .. IPK is discussed ... 😉
ASR is an iconic character ... can't be remade .. simply coz that character was one dimensional .. which is kinda impossible to pull of with the range of story that the character has covered ... but will b booted out of the forum for talking about another show .. so will rest this here ... but wud love to take this up ...

have read a plethora of posts on this forum on SUMO .. why shud she conform .. is my simple question .. why can't she be a regular girl .. flawed .. ill tempered at times due to extreme stress ... a bit bitter with what life dealt her .. why can't a youthful girl at the age of say 16 not be selfish ... why can't a girl who is probably going to an upper income group school not want to POSTURE ... haven't v all done the same .. .

IMHO its a bit early to pass judgment on either of the characters .. why they r doing what they r doing .. simply coz thats what the writers want ... they want the viewer to be confused ... v have seen snippets of their past ... disjointed strings .. with gaps in between ...

if i had to sum up the characters or the story of this show in a nutshell from what v have seen till date .. its a story of a 2 misguided youths ... one who took life to seriously at a young age ... & one who made the biggest effort to make life fun ... & their role reversal ... but thru both these stages .. they have a common emotion running very deep within ...😉😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
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what i feel is that there is more to her which is yet not revealed.
its just 20 episodes old show. very much new
cvs till now gave a very clear picture of shravan but yet to show suman's
there are many questions i have related to her
one is why she is leaving with nanaji and mama mami? why not she aint there with her paternal family
where is her paternal family?
who was her mother father? it looks like they died when suman was actually very small.
and seeing the love the catrer girls have for suman. there is something more. she maybe at times rude to them but maybe they have seen her soft side.
she doesnot stand up much against her mashi mami.
i see her supressing her emotions. not revealing anything to anyone. except dadaji. who really understands her. and maybe she revealed a little to shravan. the jewellry flashback where she melts so much.
even palak jain said all saw suman as sumo how rude she is with others but with this fb they ll see the emotional side of her
so before coming to conclusion m waiting for her backstory which i feel they are yet to reveal
even pushkar said in this 10years she has faced a lot.
if a person is really that rude then no one ll love her. there has to be something. and what is that something we have to wait to know that.
she doesnot reveal her emotional side to anyone. MAYBE she is scared that she might loose the person if she shows her vulnerable side. and yes its not like she doesnot care she CARES but use jatana nahi ata or should i say jatana nahi chahiti. she waited for shravan. 10years. i still remember in epi 2 maybe she said i thought i ll say sorry when u come back during holidays but u never came. maybe she believes in saying sorry and sorting the matter face to face not just by a mere ph call or maybe that matter was something huge from her side which a phone call wont sort. she even said sorry but shravan gave a cold shoulder. she went to the party when he returned but she heard him say wo kisi sumo ko nehi janti. just like shravan released the earring and it broke its like shravan released suman's expectations and umeed which broke in just few secs. i see both are wrong and right at their place. sumo is a tough thing. ll need time to understand for sure
but yes what she did in childhood with shravan was NOT ACCEPTABLE. and cvs better show something reasonable for that. cvs par bharosa hai. 20episodes and each one had different charm.

Edited by Ri21 - 9 years ago

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