And so swings the pendulum - Page 7

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I think you are conflating two completely seperate issues. Feeling rage over corruption as a GENERAL citizen and getting blinded in rage and grief to the point where you turn on your own loved one - like Sumo did with Shravan.....these are two seperate things.

I think its Devraj who has been blamed in the media for giving quality test approval for the vest. So I am not talking about general corruption here, as according to the news its Devraj who was responsible for the quality and as Sumo said, that to earn some money he compromised with the safety of army men. So that rage tranferred to Shravan.

When did Shravan ask her to trust him? 😕😆....you are really extrapolating the scene. I'm actually very amazed by how much everyone is able to brush aside Shravan in this scene....he didn't ask for ANYTHING from Sumo directly...he was literally babbling....just a stream of consciousness...and people are twisting that into claiming he was being "insensitive" and "demanding" things from Sumo.

Again I felt the worst for Shravan, the boy did not deserve any of the treatment he got🥺 What I meant is Sumo is not in a position to think rationally now and Shravan saying I know my dad he would do no such thing would not make Sumo believe him. Shravan is infact quiet the opposite of being insensitive, he is actually over sensitive to others pain. He is brave too, to literally have the courage to walk in the minefield.

Please point me to the exact point in the scene where Shravan asked that she trust him....he only said that "we both know our fathers na....they could never do something like this"....he never said ki trust me because you love me.

My bad, he did not ask her to trust him with the dad thing. But even the slightest mention of his dad will trigger her.

I will still disagree with the claim that both viewpoints are understandable.....the writers did not do a good job of laying out the basis for Sumo's viewpoint....I don't have any issues with Sumo losing her mind in grief and saying harsh things....provided the execution is convincing....and to me, sadly, the execution was not convincing on Friday....the letter is a VERY flimsy plot device to show Sumo twisting it to the extent of "I should have left you way back"....there is just no justification for it.....I would have believed all this more if they had a scene of Daddu ranting and that triggered Sumo....but no....she went to THIS extent mainly cuz of Vijay's vaguely worded letter?😕😆....ridiculous.

I agree with her saying I should have left you way back was way too harsh and uncalled for. But for now I can give her the benefit of doubt that she said this in the heat of the moment.
If the letter is the ultimate reason for their break up then its really flimsy one. I was really basing my view on the letter being the trigger but they would show what ultimately lead to the final break up.

And I don't think anything in this epi indicated Sumo didn't mean what she said....lol so many people are trying to extrapolate so much from her behavior when the actual scene didn't have anything like this.....Sumo's heart has hardened, her mind has shut down....she absolutely believes whatever she is saying right now because she has chosen to shut her mind down.....unless I see any nuance to indicate that she is conflicted internally, I'm not going to make this presumption ki she knows Shravan isn't capable of this...Shravan doesn't deserve this blah blah.

Thats what I am expecting, her having inner conflict and realising it was absolutely wrong to have lashed out on Shravan and for saying those harsh words. Also the fact that Shravan came to give her emotional support despite his own dad was accused of being a deshdrohi. That kind of reflects the selfless kind of love he has for her! But if they take this as the ultimate point of their separation it makes no sense at all.

Originally posted by: spidie

I agree with her saying I should have left you way back was way too harsh and uncalled for. But for now I can give her the benefit of doubt that she said this in the heat of the moment.

If the letter is the ultimate reason for their break up then its really flimsy one. I was really basing my view on the letter being the trigger but they would show what ultimately lead to the final break up.

You are expecting more basis being laid out than what they showed? 😆 Are you aware that the Monday epi will directly jump to 7 years later? So I'm not sure what additional explanation you are expecting😆

They literally showed Sumo telling him she should have left him way back and told him to leave for good. What else is left? There was a pretty decisive tone to that conversation. Nothing in her body language indicated that she is feeling any sense of conflict. Rage and grief have taken over.

The letter is the trigger and Sumo already said over and over in the epi that she wishes she had listened to her father and left Shravan who was supposedly "ruining her life".....she kept chanting over and over that her father knows best and she will only do what he says....in her mind, she thinks he said, "leave Shravan, join Army"....she was also chanting to herself that she wants her dad to come back, that is why she is willing to do all this i.e. listening to whatever he says.

I don't think there is anything else. Which is why I'm not going to give anyone any benefit of doubt on the basis of something that hasn't even happened.....Sumo's tone had a finality in Friday's epi....unless something else is shown on Monday - this is the breaking point. Shravan is the one who may face additional tragedy with Devraj's fate but Sumo has already retreated into her mind with rage and grief so her part is done. She dismissed everything to do with Shravan in a fit of rage....and I don't see that rage calming down anytime soon because her guilt over her dad is a lifelong festering wound for her now.

To me, it's disappointing that a love that was beautifully built up in this teenage phase in a rare case of moving beyond cliches crash landed in a piece of poor writing to rush the leap. They needed to build up Sumo's grief and breaking point better and find a better plot device than that lame letter. I'm so utterly unconvinced by it that I feel barely any sympathy for the character who tragically lost her father.....what a pity.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

You are expecting more basis being laid out than what they showed? 😆 Are you aware that the Monday epi will directly jump to 7 years later? So I'm not sure what additional explanation you are expecting😆

Lol😆 I actually am or was not sure now😆 But on a serious note, I really felt what actually happens from this point will be shown in parts after the leap. Where Shravans and Sumos POV would be shown or some huge misunderstandings created by family member that leads to final rift. Baaki , I just read on the main forum there is a leap from monday but have not seen the actual promo.

They literally showed Sumo telling him she should have left him way back and told him to leave for good. What else is left? There was a pretty decisive tone to that conversation. Nothing in her body language indicated that she is feeling any sense of conflict. Rage and grief have taken over.

I can only accept her rant, if its said in the heat of the moment. Once she calms down, if she has the same thinking, I would be completely disappointed. The whole build up to their love will go down the drain.

The letter is the trigger and Sumo already said over and over in the epi that she wishes she had listened to her father and left Shravan who was supposedly "ruining her life".....she kept chanting over and over that her father knows best and she will only do what he says....in her mind, she thinks he said, "leave Shravan, join Army"....she was also chanting to herself that she wants her dad to come back, that is why she is willing to do all this i.e. listening to whatever he says.

I don't think there is anything else. Which is why I'm not going to give anyone any benefit of doubt on the basis of something that hasn't even happened.....Sumo's tone had a finality in Friday's epi....unless something else is shown on Monday - this is the breaking point. Shravan is the one who may face additional tragedy with Devraj's fate but Sumo has already retreated into her mind with rage and grief so her part is done. She dismissed everything to do with Shravan in a fit of rage....and I don't see that rage calming down anytime soon because her guilt over her dad is a lifelong festering wound for her now.

Yaar.. let me hope there is much more than what was said:( She can feel as much guilt for not talking to her dad one last time but no way can she conveniently turn Shravans love for her into some civilian v/s army thing😵

To me, it's disappointing that a love that was beautifully built up in this teenage phase in a rare case of moving beyond cliches crash landed in a piece of poor writing to rush the leap. They needed to build up Sumo's grief and breaking point better and find a better plot device than that lame letter. I'm so utterly unconvinced by it that I feel barely any sympathy for the character who tragically lost her father.....what a pity.

The whole phase will look like a farce, there will be no connection to this Sumo. I would hate it if they sacrifice, Sumos character completely for the leap. It will be more disappointing to see again a FL character being completely butchered at the altar of a leap. I had a lot more faith in the maker and still hope they can salvage this:(

As far as their running away goes, definitely idea was Shravans, but he was the more hesitant one. He kept asking Sumo to scrap it, but she was the one who insisted that dads are wrong and this is the only way they will realise it.

Lets me check new promo

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL....you will have to ask the PH who casts him in such roles back to back.

Anyways, he had maintained from the beginning that his role will be a cameo in this show....it was never meant to last even that long and it was always meant to be a catalyst for SS ka seperation.

LOL. I know and I really hope he doesn't choose the same thing for his next role. It's so disappointing when that happens. I love the actor tremendously and we could do with more of such performers on ITV to raise the bar.