25th Sept WU | Ek Hoke Bhi Ek Na Reh Sake - Page 4

Originally posted by: Isabel

@B....I am so agreed with you on this....I did mention this in one of my messages...everything has a proper time to discuss....and Suman needs time to grieve.......doesn't look like to me Suman did the breakup at the correct mind set....she is grieving and full of guilt for her behaviour at last moment with her dad...it might be a spontaneous reaction to punish herself...what she is going to regret later on.....she may go back to old, determined Suman phase but it most likely to complete erase Shravan phase...

Originally posted by: Isabel

TFS....you described the incidents in so simple but also in realistic ways...yes, indeed it was very intense and uttermost painful to even watch...but looks like so many things coupled together and jostled up...might be the team is in hurried up to reach in the climax. Many incidents like Devraj's arrest looked more dramatic than reasonable for sure. ....

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Wasn't he initially there to coax suman though? Yes out of immaturity he did bring up devraj matter when she wasn't in the frame of mind however shravan did mention at times that he'll come back later so why was the point of bringing the whole army vs civilian to making devraj n shravan as gadaar and matlabi? obv she'll ponder over this issue later in her life whether it was a lesson or a regret.

When I follow the dialogue exchange this is what I see. He comes in when she is saying sorry papa, I made a big mistake. Shravan doesn’t address that. Doesn’t ask her how she is. Says I will miss you Vijay uncle. Our world has turned upside down. Suman you know about dad etc. Then she says I don’t want to talk about it just go. His immediate response is how can you think badly of my dad. He doesn’t let it go in that moment. To me that was inconsiderate. I would have slapped him too. So I understood her emotions more.

So if you think from her perspective she prioritized shravan over her dad on his last day. But in this moment shravan is showing that he expects her to prioritize his emotions even though it’s her dad that is gone forever. He may have come over to console her but he didn’t actually do it. So the way I see it that shows her that he expected her to prioritize his dad over hers even though hers is gone forever and his dad may be at fault. Her dad died for the country as a selfless gesture. Whereas she is not seeing that selflessness from the civilian side. Not from shravan. So I can understand her bringing up the civilian/army discussion. This is of course on top of all her other emotions of guilt for hurting her dad for shravan.

Originally posted by: malikakas

When I follow the dialogue exchange this is what I see. He comes in when she is saying sorry papa, I made a big mistake. Shravan doesn’t address that. Doesn’t ask her how she is. Says I will miss you Vijay uncle. Our world has turned upside down. Suman you know about dad etc. Then she says I don’t want to talk about it just go. His immediate response is how can you think badly of my dad. He doesn’t let it go in that moment. To me that was inconsiderate. I would have slapped him too. So I understood her emotions more.

So if you think from her perspective she prioritized shravan over her dad on his last day. But in this moment shravan is showing that he expects her to prioritize his emotions even though it’s her dad that is gone forever. He may have come over to console her but he didn’t actually do it. So the way I see it that shows her that he expected her to prioritize his dad over hers even though hers is gone forever and his dad may be at fault. Her dad died for the country as a selfless gesture. Whereas she is not seeing that selflessness from the civilian side. Not from shravan. So I can understand her bringing up the civilian/army discussion. This is of course on top of all her other emotions of guilt for hurting her dad for shravan.

like the confrontation was out of immaturity for him to bring thinking that probably suman might understand where he's coming from. i just felt the sudden rush in suman was a bit odd even though i understand that her loss of her father is a fresh wound. i guess its more of recklessness on their part shravan thinking that suman might understand his pain while suman released her emotional turmoil over the loss of vijay.

Originally posted by: Isabel

@ B...I do agree with you...I already posted a couple of messages about this...when I was watching my feeling was what's this rush all about?

To complete the teenage phase i.e airing of epis on TV

Originally posted by: malikakas

When I follow the dialogue exchange this is what I see. He comes in when she is saying sorry papa, I made a big mistake. Shravan doesn’t address that. Doesn’t ask her how she is. Says I will miss you Vijay uncle. Our world has turned upside down. Suman you know about dad etc. Then she says I don’t want to talk about it just go. His immediate response is how can you think badly of my dad. He doesn’t let it go in that moment. To me that was inconsiderate. I would have slapped him too. So I understood her emotions more.

So if you think from her perspective she prioritized shravan over her dad on his last day. But in this moment shravan is showing that he expects her to prioritize his emotions even though it’s her dad that is gone forever. He may have come over to console her but he didn’t actually do it. So the way I see it that shows her that he expected her to prioritize his dad over hers even though hers is gone forever and his dad may be at fault. Her dad died for the country as a selfless gesture. Whereas she is not seeing that selflessness from the civilian side. Not from shravan. So I can understand her bringing up the civilian/army discussion. This is of course on top of all her other emotions of guilt for hurting her dad for shravan.

I’m a silent reader of this forum and I like Uday sir’s creativity.

Coming to the discussion, yes exactly I followed the same thing as you described. Shravan wanted Suman to prioritize his understanding rather than giving her space considering her situation.

I too would have done the same like Suman did.

Eagerly waiting for leap and looking forward for those angst scenes 🙂

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Hmm okies sure the devraj matter was out immaturity but when he was discussing with bunty prior to coming to suman didn't he tell bunty that he didn't want suman to tolerate all of this mess alone though because he said that devraj might come back but suman lost her father too? like the confrontation was out of immaturity for him to bring thinking that probably suman might understand where he's coming from. i just felt the sudden rush in suman was a bit odd.

But what shravan said to Bunty is not what was relayed to Suman. We as the audience know that but Suman as the a character does not. She is reacting according to only what she was shown. Which unfortunately was immaturity from shravan. It should not have been a moment where she had to understand him but a moment where he was supposed to understand her. Even when he said you are not in your right frame of mind he wasn’t showing empathy. To be fair he couldn’t because he was too emotionally caught up in his dad to understand that her perspective is legitimately allowed to be different than his.

Her dad did say he didn’t hate civilians. But she read that after she was already exposed to the idea that his supposed friend may have compromised on the quality of the vests so she is not going to take that meaning exactly as her dad said it. She may think that maybe my dad was too nice and trusting and it ended up costing him his life.

Originally posted by: malikakas

But what shravan said to Bunty is not what was relayed to Suman. We as the audience know that but Suman as the a character does not. She is reacting according to only what she was shown. Which unfortunately was immaturity from shravan. It should not have been a moment where she had to understand him but a moment where he was supposed to understand her. Even when he said you are not in your right frame of mind he wasn’t showing empathy. To be fair he couldn’t because he was too emotionally caught up in his dad to understand that her perspective is legitimately allowed to be different than his.

Her dad did say he didn’t hate civilians. But she read that after she was already exposed to the idea that his supposed friend may have compromised on the quality of the vests so she is not going to take that meaning exactly as her dad said it. She may think that maybe my dad was too nice and trusting and it ended up costing him his life.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Oh okay. Perhaps maybe I might've than assumed it differently (as an audience) from this because yes he did emotionally rely on her a lot when sharing his matters and POV so perhaps he was assuming that she would understand this when she was already shocked from Vijay's death that her mind was already caught up with so much.

But do you see how that is focussing on his emotions not hers? When even from his own words he knew she was the one that was suffering more. Shravan is a really sweet character but really bad timing in this situation! The thing is we have also always seen shravan try to protect Suman from his emotional burdens. But I guess this was too big of a situation for him as well.

Originally posted by: malikakas

But do you see how that is focussing on his emotions not hers? When even from his own words he knew she was the one that was suffering more. Shravan is a really sweet character but really bad timing in this situation! The thing is we have also always seen shravan try to protect Suman from his emotional burdens. But I guess this was too big of a situation for him as well.