25th Sept WU | Ek Hoke Bhi Ek Na Reh Sake - Page 2

Thanks Bucky...

I have no idea how you watched it as well as wrote the scenes at the same time...

I was sobbing the moment Suman open that laptop till Shravan came and started looking for support in her...

Like come on? Are you serious... She just lost her dad..

This week has been super hectic, super heavy and super duper fast.. too fast and too rush..

But that letter man, that letter was sooo well written., I dont usually cry... but this got me... Again today Kanikka nailed it..

The writing for this ending was bad.. I couldnt quite understand what happened there apart from her breaking ties with him.. lolololol.

i guess we can all make our own theories and stick to what we find peace in till the truth is revealed post leap..

The fact that we didnt get a precap shows, Monday will the start of the Army track..

I will be spending an edkv free weekend.. a complete detox..

I hope I will fall in love again with them as they rediscover their love for each other..

Nobody was right or wrong here.. its just a grieving daughter putting hers and her dad’s dream above everything else...

Simple as that.. Devraj isnt guilty either, obv his staff let him down.. but thats an MU that can be solved post this long separation..

Originally posted by: malikakas

Thanks Bucky. After watching I feel confused. A part of me wonders if Suman didn't mean what she said. If she said it only to break up with shravan and follow the path her dad set out for her. Like we saw her follow him out the door. I don't feel someone in anger would have done that. I feel like she was ending the relationship as a punishment to herself. But that part of the sequence did feel a bit rushed for me so I could be wrong as well.

Also I feel Shravan wasn't right to bring up his dad's issue right at that time. She was in the midst of mourning her dad.

Originally posted by: napster

All through the episode Shravan's first thought was always Sumo. He was oscillating between both houses. Even though his father was taken away and for Shravan his dad is innocent, he rushed to Sumo. Shravan's chacha did the male thing of ignoring the elder women and wanting the young 'male' to take care of the house.

These are nuances that a good writer will call out but maybe i'm expecting too much from a hindi show.

Anyways, We shouldn't forget that Suvan are not adults yet, I do blame Shravan for talking about his dad at that moment but I won't say selfish, he kept looking towards her for just one line that I'm with you. I don't think he belittled Sumo's pain, for him apart from Bunty only sumo gets him. He could have easily stayed home thinking her family didn't want him there so better support his own.

I'd totally call him a jerk and what not, had he been a 30+ male lead like other hindi shows who behave like teens. But not here.

Vijay himself was not his usual self. I expected better from him. He has always come across as so gentle, thoughtful, who had no communication issues with his daughter until this rushed exit. Sumo acted her age, he didn't. Also, I don't expect anything from Sumo's mom to be honest. She just smiled throughout instead of talking to her daughter. If only she performed her role as a mother

Originally posted by: malikakas

@bold: the timing was really wrong. Honestly I feel it was kind of selfish to lay that on her in that moment. She was literally mourning her dad. I understand he wanted reassurance but at the same time she was in absolutely no state to give him support over something that would be an inherent conflict.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing that Vijay should have just spoken to her instead of writing it all in a letter. I don't he felt that all love stories are doomed but I think it was more that from what he saw she was acting very irrationally and completely out of character from her usual self. Maybe he thought giving her a bit of time and space before laying out his perspective would help.

Originally posted by: MusicOfTheHeart

Thanks Bucky for the well written update. I was waiting for precap but neither they gave it nor Sony gave a promo for the most awaited track!

The letter was really insightful. Only if he had talked with the same thinking the night before her departure! The situation would've much better!

Shravan went there to give her support but end up trying to find support in her which was indeed a wrong move! He shouldn't mention about his father, I think he should've heard Bunty. She needs time to cope up with the situation, to think rightly. And whatever she said, I don't think she meant it fully otherwise she wouldn't come to see him. For the first time this title song was played that too on a right moment!

And the slaps were too much today! It was like everyone forgot their manners! The worst was with Devraj, it felt he gave up after that! I'm sure Devraj is innocent in all these, who respects Army Officers so much he would do something like that only for profit! It's surely the work his colleagues, but either way it was his responsibility to check the final product, he should have more cautious.

Will they start Army phase in Monday? Maybe how things have sorted will be shown in FB.

Originally posted by: napster

All through the episode Shravan's first thought was always Sumo. He was oscillating between both houses. Even though his father was taken away and for Shravan his dad is innocent, he rushed to Sumo. Shravan's chacha did the male thing of ignoring the elder women and wanting the young 'male' to take care of the house.

These are nuances that a good writer will call out but maybe i'm expecting too much from a hindi show.

Anyways, We shouldn't forget that Suvan are not adults yet, I do blame Shravan for talking about his dad at that moment but I won't say selfish, he kept looking towards her for just one line that I'm with you. I don't think he belittled Sumo's pain, for him apart from Bunty only sumo gets him. He could have easily stayed home thinking her family didn't want him there so better support his own.

I'd totally call him a jerk and what not, had he been a 30+ male lead like other hindi shows who behave like teens. But not here.

Vijay himself was not his usual self. I expected better from him. He has always come across as so gentle, thoughtful, who had no communication issues with his daughter until this rushed exit. Sumo acted her age, he didn't. Also, I don't expect anything from Sumo's mom to be honest. She just smiled throughout instead of talking to her daughter. If only she performed her role as a mother

@bold: Shravan is not a selfish character but in that moment he was just too vulnerable to really be of support to Suman. For me even expecting that one line from Suman was just too much to ask of her. But I think that is part the beauty of the story is that they are teenagers so it is understandable. Which also leads me to being more on the side now that Vijay was more right than wrong. Although I disagree with how he handled it, I do understand the point. As beautiful, honourable, and dedicated as these two kids are, they aren't mature enough to be fully self actualized to be aware of the consequences of their emotions. To be fair a lot of adults don't understand it themselves. But wearing your heart on your sleeve isn't always a good quality because it's a selfish state to some degree. It doesn't allow you to be reflective on whether you are accomplishing what you are setting out to do.

For example, in this situation Shravan charged over there with the absolute pure intention to support her. I don't fault him for that but a more mature individual would have probably recognized the complexity of the situation. Not only because of Devraj's potential complicity but also because of both of their own actions that led them to that point. Had he reflected on Suman's actual state and not just his desire to support her he would have understood the need to approach it differently. He walked in on a scene where she just kept stating I am sorry papa. So the first thing would have been to hear what was happening in her mind and relate accordingly. She was doubting her own actions/decisions in that moment. If I am in that state where I am questioning my own instincts, how can I be in a position to validate yours against the world? So while he "thinks" he is going there to support her he actually ended up doing the opposite.

Originally posted by: malikakas

@bold: Shravan is not a selfish character but in that moment he was just too vulnerable to really be of support to Suman. For me even expecting that one line from Suman was just too much to ask of her. But I think that is part the beauty of the story is that they are teenagers so it is understandable. Which also leads me to being more on the side now that Vijay was more right than wrong. Although I disagree with how he handled it, I do understand the point. As beautiful, honourable, and dedicated as these two kids are, they aren't mature enough to be fully self actualized to be aware of the consequences of their emotions. To be fair a lot of adults don't understand it themselves. But wearing your heart on your sleeve isn't always a good quality because it's a selfish state to some degree. It doesn't allow you to be reflective on whether you are accomplishing what you are setting out to do.

For example, in this situation Shravan charged over there with the absolute pure intention to support her. I don't fault him for that but a more mature individual would have probably recognized the complexity of the situation. Not only because of Devraj's potential complicity but also because of both of their own actions that led them to that point. Had he reflected on Suman's actual state and not just his desire to support her he would have understood the need to approach it differently. He walked in on a scene where she just kept stating I am sorry papa. So the first thing would have been to hear what was happening in her mind and relate accordingly. She was doubting her own actions/decisions in that moment. If I am in that state where I am questioning my own instincts, how can I be in a position to validate yours against the world? So while he "thinks" he is going there to support her he actually ended up doing the opposite.

It's quite interesting to note that Suman did warn him that she wasn't in the frame of mind to talk before Shravan questioned as to why she's behaving like this as opposed trying to ask what's going on her mind at this point and what does she want to do. Hence comes in the power of recklessness wherein Suman unleashed her unwanted wrath. Shravan was quick to understand his small mistake of talking about Devraj being innocent and expecting that she'll understand his POV but she just was so stressed out and what not from the sudden loss of her father.

Originally posted by: napster

All through the episode Shravan's first thought was always Sumo. He was oscillating between both houses. Even though his father was taken away and for Shravan his dad is innocent, he rushed to Sumo. Shravan's chacha did the male thing of ignoring the elder women and wanting the young 'male' to take care of the house.

These are nuances that a good writer will call out but maybe i'm expecting too much from a hindi show. There were mistakes and I think one word that Chacha used wrongly ki "Kisi bade ko ghar mein hona chahiye" so technically chachi was elder than Shravan but I feel more aptly he shouldve said Shravan to take care of ladies especially Avni who is quite younger & probably he'll provide more of moral support to the ladies especially Kavita before she said she wanted to see Devraj.

Anyways, We shouldn't forget that Suvan are not adults yet, I do blame Shravan for talking about his dad at that moment but I won't say selfish, he kept looking towards her for just one line that I'm with you. I don't think he belittled Sumo's pain, for him apart from Bunty only sumo gets him. He could have easily stayed home thinking her family didn't want him there so better support his own. I would rather term it as a more of recklessness over blaming him or calling him a jerk. For the first time, he's felt blessful in love and that someone else is there to understand him so he assumed that he'll coax her followed by thinking maybe she'll try to understand his POV because Suman does give good advices to Shravan jo ki aage chalke kaafi kaam aati h and encourages him to participate in things that he usually wouldve despised thereby gaining new experience and confidence. So he looks upto Suman a lot as an inspiration and good confidante as it is only her and Bunty who understand him the most. He wanted to celebrate his birthday solely with her because she gave him the attention that he felt sometimes he wished his family wouldve given to him.

I'd totally call him a jerk and what not, had he been a 30+ male lead like other hindi shows who behave like teens. But not here.

Vijay himself was not his usual self. I expected better from him. He has always come across as so gentle, thoughtful, who had no communication issues with his daughter until this rushed exit. Sumo acted her age, he didn't. Also, I don't expect anything from Sumo's mom to be honest. She just smiled throughout instead of talking to her daughter. If only she performed her role as a mother I think his intentions were pure but the approach was wrong otherwise Suman wouldnt have rebelled for once if he tried to understand her perspective as opposed to expecting that she'll understand him over him trying to understand the badlaav from her.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

interesting point. yeah vijay himself said that she's at an age where sab abhi looking awesome but she might potentially regret. So vijay's intentions were clear but the approach was wrong because suman did end up rebelling only to mourn over his death later but somewhat of a wrong mindset that was there initially before its starting to overtake her frame of mind. Yeah it was just bad timing that shravan had to hear the whole khari khoti.

It's quite interesting to note that Suman did warn him that she wasn't in the frame of mind to talk before Shravan questioned as to why she's behaving like this as opposed trying to ask what's going on her mind at this point and what does she want to do. Hence comes in the power of recklessness wherein Suman unleashed her unwanted wrath. Shravan was quick to understand his small mistake of talking about Devraj being innocent and expecting that she'll understand his POV but she just was so stressed out and what not from the sudden loss of her father.

Yeah I think vijay feared the wrong mindset he could start to see in Suman. Sneaking into a boy’s room at midnight is not small thing for a father to witness especially for a kid who has never broken rules. I can understand the overreaction although I disagree with it. Like you said she rebelled and it only hurt her more. It would have been better if he spoke to her with all this.

I felt sorry for both kids. I think my heart goes out to Suman more because it’s such an irreversible event and they way it went down is something she will never be able to completely forgive herself for. Shravan has that chance to be there for his dad and support him. And frankly the moment Suman said a word against this dad he took a harsh tone with her defending his dad (despite knowing her situation). So he’s protective for his dad from just an accusation. Whereas you have Suman dealing with the actual death and then potential complicity of his dad. I feel there was no other organic emotional reaction from her in that moment. Any expectation that she believe in his dad absolutely is an unreasonable one. One would presume the police doesn’t arrest people without reasonable suspicion. Of course he doesn’t see that now because he is emotional about his dad. She probably would have broken up with him regardless of how he handled it though.

Originally posted by: malikakas

Yeah I think vijay feared the wrong mindset he could start to see in Suman. Sneaking into a boy’s room at midnight is not small thing for a father to witness especially for a kid who has never broken rules. I can understand the overreaction although I disagree with it. Like you said she rebelled and it only hurt her more. It would have been better if he spoke to her with all this.

I felt sorry for both kids. I think my heart goes out to Suman more because it’s such an irreversible event and they way it went down is something she will never be able to completely forgive herself for. Shravan has that chance to be there for his dad and support him. And frankly the moment Suman said a word against this dad he took a harsh tone with her defending his dad (despite knowing her situation). So he’s protective for his dad from just an accusation. Whereas you have Suman dealing with the actual death and then potential complicity of his dad. I feel there was no other organic emotional reaction from her in that moment. Any expectation that she believe in his dad absolutely is an unreasonable one. One would presume the police doesn’t arrest people without reasonable suspicion. Of course he doesn’t see that now because he is emotional about his dad. She probably would have broken up with him regardless of how he handled it though.

BOLD: Yeah, it has put a major damage for Suman. For Shravan, she ignored Vijay & for Vijay she ignored Shravan so sort it just depends on her mood a lot too. It caused a lot of damage as I felt she was quite sensible minus the army vs civilian factor for which I didn't that factor about her in the initial days but it's just knocking back in her mind now. Shravan will get his dad back but Suman's dad left for the heavenly abode. Both are defensive about their dads even though they love each other. Shravan did say that he'll try to come back later to talk jab woh hosh mein hogi par she just kept on pushing his buttons till he asked whether she really wanted to close this chapter forever. So both are okay from their POV but Suman lashed out really badly when Shravan kept on saying that he'll come back later so that was a bit more of a caricature kind of thing from Suman's side + the whole army vs civilian debate thing. She did over-exaggerate this matter so Shravan also agreed that yeah we're done.