Shravan and the BFF zone - Page 5

Originally posted by: spidie

Lovely GIFs!! There is so much softness in the way he looks at her and also the way he holds her. These two are really refreshing to watch:))

Originally posted by: spidie

My favorite scene. @ Bold!! You have worded this so beautifully! Wow!! Love how you interpret these things:)

Aww thanks, Spidie! :) Yes, there is something refreshing about them together....they are such kids in many ways, but such pure hearts....it stands out in the scenes.

Originally posted by: malikakas

Yeah I feel this PH tends to explore the male leads more than the female ones. Although I thought the first iteration Sumo was pretty interesting. The girl who lost her family and then overcompensates by trying to be popular which came at the expense of her relationship. In YPNTKH, I felt the girl had no real story beyond the "love story". But there were a few things that a bothered me along the lines of what we are talking about. One was her making him feel like his ambition was "wrong". She grew up wealthy and even later there was a comment after he left his job that she would always have her family job/money. Basically they faced different consequences so there should have been more empathy, imo. For example he was really happy about a job opportunity in Russia whereas she was really upset about the potential loss of their relationship potential and made him feel guilty for leaving his mom. So actually kind of the opposite of what Shravan did in this scene where the other person's happiness was of primary importance.

I actually didn't know or care much for the previous Sumo. Whatever little I watched of the show, I found quite bland. As for YPNTK....yes, I also noticed the focus on the fleshing out of ML's pov....Sid's story was the focus there and the FL was mostly an afterthought....didn't help that the actress playing her was extremely weak too.

IMO this is the first time this PH has managed to get both the writing and the casting right for their lead pair in such a way that they balance each other out....it's not skewed like with their previous projects.

Yes we definitely agree on the balance issue. They are probably both feeding it to some degree but I think Suman's actions right before at least reassured me that she knows it can't be a one-sided relationship. With Shravan, I think, its the stuff that occurred prior that drives my opinion. He willingly accepted the best friends relationship earlier despite knowing he felt something more and then used it in order to further his "agenda". I mean it was still really sweet and adorable but I don't think its truly fair for the other person who accepts all of that thinking it was just friendship and then has the onus to deal with all the problems it created. I also cut Suman some slack here because given his prior actions she can't really be sure of what actions stem from genuine friendship vs his desire for a romantic relationship. It's really hard to tease out love from friendship. Shravan was always a very nice friend in general. Should she assume everything he did was love? Definitely I think it would have been easier if she just told him she knows about his feelings and maybe she was a bit cowardly to avoid it. But it's also a really really really difficult conversation to have with someone. Plus prior to this Shravan hasn't been someone who has not been able to ask for what he wants directly. Like he insisted on their night out. So I can understand the desire to do it in a roundabout way and the assumption that he would be vocal if he wasn't okay with it. Actually the more I am typing this the more I really want the precap to be real lol.

@bold: Is that really fair to Shravan? Any person in his place would likely do what he did....try to establish a basis of friendship to then evolve it from thereon. Especially when the girl in question is a girl like Sumo who has always shut him down on various levels. He accepted the friendship to then be able to get to know her better and build a bond with her.....every important relationship has a basis of friendship....why try to box it into labels? Are you saying that two people must immediately declare love and can never start as friends?😕....human beings and their emotions are ever evolving....no one can claim to know where something will lead....all people can do is try....I wouldn't say Shravan was "pushing an agenda"....he was trying to bond with Sumo through the friendship....which is totally understandable. He never imposed himself on her. The friendship has grown mutually, organically with various factors feeding into it. There has always been an undercurrent of attraction between them alongside....Sumo is the one who chooses to be deliberately obtuse about it....all Shravan did was hope that the friendship would lead to love.

As for a difficult conversation....lol Sumo is the one who goes around puffing up about how brave she is and how she always takes a stand for the truth....so obviously she will be the one who will then be held to the higher standard.....but she chickened out in this case. If you aren't able to handle a difficult situation, you shouldn't go around giving lectures to other people on courage either...which is what Sumo always does to Shravan. I just felt that for a girl who otherwise is very earnest and capable of standing for the truth, this was a cop out. But it's ok....I won't crib about this much if she evolves from here. Shravan definitely needs to take a stand for his truth, no doubt.....but Suman also needs to stop making presumptions about the "mutuality" of something when Shravan never said anything like that....also, the "kya tum mera sapna banoge" line was borderline manipulative too. Who would say no there? Especially when you know that person really cares for you which Sumo already did by then....which is why I found it problematic.

I didn't mean to imply it as 'selfish'. But I am countering whether this is a purely selfless thing. I guess there is an assumption here that him being her bff wouldn't give him any happiness at all. In which case would it really be a good bff relationship for Suman? If he is not getting any happiness at all then the relationship will eventually implode hurting both in the process. Again for me this comes down to the problems that stem from being inauthentic in a relationship. Don't get me wrong. I still thought it was a beautiful gesture. But I think we need to see more to understand what it actually means.

@bold: No, that is not the assumption.....but it's obvious that he loves her and when you love someone, it is painful to try to hold back your emotions to play BFF.....a sense of self-preservation would dictate that you cut off from such an equation rather than wallowing in the bittersweet pain....the fact that Shravan agreed mainly because Sumo ASKED him to be her BFF is what made it selfless.

Sure, you can argue that being her BFF allows him to be close to her, so that is his "selfishness" in agreeing to this arrangement....but I wouldn't go so far as to say that his happiness lies in this.

I don't see this as him being inauthentic....Sumo's way of presenting this option to Shravan didn't leave him with much of an out....so he chose from what was put in front of him....which again makes me circle back to my issues with how she handled this. She was the one who opened that door for inauthenticity when she had a clear opportunity to have an honest convo with him.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

We really need a new promo. Shravan is going to confess.

Suman learnt about Shravan's feelings, no promo.

I guess cuz these confessions aren't changing their BFF equation, the channel isn't promoting much😆......inspite of the confession, they will remain only friends, that's why.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I guess cuz these confessions aren't changing their BFF equation, the channel isn't promoting much😆......inspite of the confession, they will remain only friends, that's why.

Do you think they will get together pre-leap or is this the lead up to the leap?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

IMO this is the first time this PH has managed to get both the writing and the casting right for their lead pair in such a way that they balance each other out....it's not skewed like with their previous projects.

Completely agree. There is something a lot more balanced about this story than the previous two. Hopefully they keep the writing that way.

@bold: Is that really fair to Shravan? Any person in his place would likely do what he did....try to establish a basis of friendship to then evolve it from thereon. Especially when the girl in question is a girl like Sumo who has always shut him down on various levels. He accepted the friendship to then be able to get to know her better and build a bond with her.....every important relationship has a basis of friendship....why try to box it into labels? Are you saying that two people must immediately declare love and can never start as friends?....human beings and their emotions are ever evolving....no one can claim to know where something will lead....all people can do is try....I wouldn't say Shravan was "pushing an agenda"....he was trying to bond with Sumo through the friendship....which is totally understandable. He never imposed himself on her. The friendship has grown mutually, organically with various factors feeding into it. There has always been an undercurrent of attraction between them alongside....Sumo is the one who chooses to be deliberately obtuse about it....all Shravan did was hope that the friendship would lead to love.

So I don't disagree with you that a human emotions consciously evolve. But here there was a clear point where they are discussing having a best friend relationship like their dad's while he knew that's not what he wanted. So I find it a little bit sly to use that as a stepping stone to love when you know that's not what the other person is thinking. And like you mentioned below that if its hard to stick around someone who has rejected you then was it really fair to develop a relationship on false pretences. So now this other person has now invested emotions in you as a best friend but obviously if you can't maintain that then its going to end up hurting this person through no real fault of their own. They have upheld their end of the bargain but you just didn't pick the right bargain begin with. Do you understand what I am trying to say? Like I agree its hard to label things but in this case they actually did label it. Btw I am not saying that he has to stick around either. But for me its just acknowledging that it wasn't really a fair deal for Sumo to begin with because there was always a chance it would come to this. In other relationship where there is more of a romantic potential I don't think people make such clear claims of best friends when they know they want more. Usually both people kind of know where its heading because there is more flirtation and the guy doesn't really hide or lie that he likes you and that's why he is trying to get to know you.

As for a difficult conversation....lol Sumo is the one who goes around puffing up about how brave she is and how she always takes a stand for the truth....so obviously she will be the one who will then be held to the higher standard.....but she chickened out in this case. If you aren't able to handle a difficult situation, you shouldn't go around giving lectures to other people on courage either...which is what Sumo always does to Shravan. I just felt that for a girl who otherwise is very earnest and capable of standing for the truth, this was a cop out. But it's ok....I won't crib about this much if she evolves from here. Shravan definitely needs to take a stand for his truth, no doubt.....but Suman also needs to stop making presumptions about the "mutuality" of something when Shravan never said anything like that....also, the "kya tum mera sapna banoge" line was borderline manipulative too. Who would say no there? Especially when you know that person really cares for you which Sumo already did by then....which is why I found it problematic.

Yeah I agree that was not the best phrase to use. I don't see Suman as perfect by any means and I have had those thoughts earlier. Particularly that scene where she tells Shravan that dad will help you change when really that situation wasn't his fault (if anything was her fault). So hopefully the writers do let her evolve.

But in this scene, I guess I thought she was braver than me in similar situations. 😆 At that age, I would just run or kept distance when I felt like a guy was getting the wrong idea from our friendship. But here Suman did at least try to have the conversation. So maybe that's that's the wrong metric for me to judge on, lol.

Originally posted by: malikakas

Do you think they will get together pre-leap or is this the lead up to the leap?

If they follow the original storyline, then yes, they should get together once before breaking up for the leap and joining the Army.

Not sure how they can directly jump to the leap from this BFF mode. Ideally they should be showing both of them falling in love before the leap and then have the seperation and angst post-leap.

But in this scene, I guess I thought she was braver than me in similar situations. At that age, I would just run or kept distance when I felt like a guy was getting the wrong idea from our friendship. But here Suman did at least try to have the conversation. So maybe that's that's the wrong metric for me to judge on, lol.

— Yes true. It wasn't easy for her to have a conversation on this matter especially to the person whom she has grown attached to. I would have avoided the person for a day or two 😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I so wish , I am able to watch show the same day, so. I can discuss or rant, 🤔. Regarding Sumo, I felt she was a bit selfish here, thinking only about herself and not wanting to loose a BFF like Shravan.

I am not at all expecting her to feel the same for Shravan, but I wish she had handled this in a better way. Her convo with Kancha, juxtaposed with Shravan- Bunty convo made it worse. If she handled it perfectly, she would have atleast not lied to Kancha. Right now she is not being truthful even to herself.

Looking forward to see how they evolve Sumo from here, I have really liked how she is different from the regular FLs . Hope they maintain that uniqueness!!

I don’t know how to quote long posts as its just not showing up for me.

just my two cents here.

Shravan just fell in love with Sumo gradually, he fell in love with the person she is. The more he knew her, about her qualities he had deeper feelings for her. He just went along with whatever Suno said. As far as the dads go , they both really care for their friendship and wanted to mend it as best as they can. So I disagree with Shravan being sly or putting up a pretense to win Sumo over. He has not been calculating or manipulative type. He is someone who wears his heart on his sleeve:) I guess the intention matters a lot, in all his efforts to solidify his friendship with Sumo, he always gave consideration to her feelings and try changing himself for her. Shravan is known as khurafat ki dukaan😆 whereas Sumo has shown to be upright, always truthful and disciplined. In this case, Sumo messed up. Shravan matters to her a lot, she has liked him for his qualities of always standing for his friends and family. His attitude of not following the herd just for the sake of it. She did not want to loose this special friend, so she conveniently disregarded his feeling and just made a decision for both of them to remain just best friend forever. If she was offended at all by Shravan , she could have just ended the friendship too.

There is just not right or wrong here. These are just two teenagers trying to sort out relationship issues. The only thing is in this case Suman messed up , the way she tried solving the issue. She knew Shravans feeling, told him she only wants him to be his friends nothing else and then telling him you agree, right? this is what you want too right? I know. What fear did she have that she did not even give him a chance to hear an honest opinion from him?

I also think she could have a direct approach to this conversation since her character is more straight forward. But here, we are talking about Sumo who might have feelings for him which she hasn't realised but she craves for friendship more than love. What does Shravan craves for ? the friendship or the love ? Or both and maybe that's why he went along with whatever she said because he atleast have the friendship which he equally cares about as much as Sumo cares. LOL the more you dig deeper, the more complicated that episodes gets.😆

Sometimes we try to be really conscious about the situation to come to an end point because we want the person to get hurt as less as possible but we might not able to see the person has gotten hurt eventually. Yes Shravan got hurt. He would have gotten hurt even if she would have talked about it directly rather than how much this friendship means to her. She was taaloying the entire conversation by racing, having coffee, arm wrestling, etc. The arm wrestling, yes. When he intentionally kept his hands loose in order to let Sumo win, that was the moment when Sumo made him learn that it should be fair. You don't need to supress yourself to make me happy. Guess, we gonna get that in the coming week episode.

As I said earlier Shravan's voice-over in the puddle scene did gave a glimpse that she's worried if he's okay since she knows what feelings he holds for her and then him happily jumping with her made her believe that yes, he wants the same thing from their equation.