Discussion of the week (DOTW) #1:Divorce

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Hello allšŸ¤—
In an effort to increase forum activity i'v decided to open the discussion of the week thread...


hope you all participate..šŸ¤—

this week's topic is divorce...


what is divorce?

Divorce (or the dissolution of marriage) is the termination of a marital union, the canceling and/or reorganizing of the legal duties and responsibilities of marriage, thus dissolving the bonds of matrimony between a married couple under the rule of law of the particular country and/or state.

Divorce is unlike annulment which declares the marriage null and void. Divorce laws vary considerably around the world, but in most countries it requires the sanction of a court or other authority in a legal process. The legal process of divorce may also involve issues of alimony (spousal support), child custody, child visitation / access, parenting time,child support, distribution of property, and division of debt. In most countries monogamy is required by law, so divorce allows each former partner to marry another; where polygyny is legal but polyandry is not, divorce allows the woman to marry a new husband.

Divorce can be a stressful experience affecting finances, living arrangements, household jobs, schedules, parenting and the outcomes of children of the marriage as they face each stage of development from childhood to adulthood. If the family includes children, they may be deeply affected.[1]

The only countries that do not allow divorce are the Philippines and the Vatican City, an ecclesiastical state, which has no procedure for divorce. Countries that have relatively recently legalized divorce are Italy (1970), Portugal (1975),Brazil (1977), Spain (1981), Ireland (1996), Chile (2004)[2] and Malta (2011).


Types of divorce[edit]

Despite this, in some countries the courts will seldom apply principles of fault, but might willingly hold a party liable for a breach of a fiduciary duty to his or her spouse (for example, see Family Code Sections 720 and 1100 of the California Family Code). Grounds for divorce differs from state to state in the U.S. Some states have no-fault divorce; some states require a declaration of fault on the part of one partner or both; Some state allow either method.[5]

In most jurisdictions, a divorce must be certified (or ordered by a Judge) by a court of law to come into effect. The terms of the divorce are usually determined by the courts, though they may take into account prenuptial agreements or post-nuptial agreements, or simply ratify terms that the spouses may have agreed to privately (this is not true in the United States, where agreements related to the marriage typically have to be rendered in writing to be enforceable). In absence of agreement, a contested divorce may be stressful to the spouses.

In some other countries,[where?] when the spouses agree to divorce and to the terms of the divorce, it can be certified by a non-judiciary administrative entity. The effect of a divorce is that both parties are free to marry again.

Contested divorce[edit]

Contested divorces mean that one of several issues are required to be heard by a judge at trial level"this is more expensive, and the parties will have to pay for a lawyer's time and preparation. In such a divorce the spouses are not able to agree on issues for instance child custody and division of marital assets. In such situations, the litigation process takes longer to conclude.[6] The judge controls the outcome of the case.[7] Less adversarial approaches to divorce settlements have recently emerged, such as mediation and collaborative divorce settlement, which negotiate mutually acceptable resolution to conflicts. This principle in the United States is called 'Alternative Dispute Resolution' and has gained popularity.

At-fault divorce[edit]

Before the late 1960s, nearly all countries that permitted divorce required proof by one party that the other party had committed an act incompatible to the marriage. This was termed "grounds" for divorce (popularly called "fault") and was the only way to terminate a marriage. Most jurisdictions around the world still require such proof of fault. In the United States, no-fault divorce is available in all 50 states, as is the case with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and other western countries.

Fault-based divorces can be contested; evaluation of offenses may involve allegations of collusion of the parties (working together to get the divorce), orcondonation (approving the offense), connivance (tricking someone into committing an offense), or provocation by the other party. Contested fault divorces can be expensive, and not usually practical as eventually most divorces are granted. Comparative rectitude is a doctrine used to determine which spouse is more at fault when both spouses are guilty of breaches.[citation needed]

The grounds for a divorce which a party could raise and need to prove included 'desertion,' 'abandonment,' 'cruelty,' or 'adultery.' The requirement of proving a ground was revised (and withdrawn) by the terms of 'no-fault' statutes, which became popular in the United Kingdom, Australia, the United States, Canada, South Africa, and New Zealand in the late 1960s and early 1970s. In 'no-fault' jurisdictions, a simple, general allegation of 'irreconcilable differences,' or 'irretrievable break-down' with respect to the marriage relationship, sufficed to establish the end of the marriage.

Summary divorce[edit]

A summary (or simple) divorce, available in some jurisdictions, is used when spouses meet certain eligibility requirements, or can agree on key issues beforehand.

Key factors:

No-fault divorce[edit]

Some Western jurisdictions have a no-fault divorce system, which requires no allegation or proof of fault of either party.[8] The barest of assertions suffice. For example, in countries that require "irretrievable breakdown", the mere assertion that the marriage has broken down will satisfy the judicial officer. In other jurisdictions requiring irreconcilable differences, the mere allegation that the marriage has been irreparable by these differences is enough for granting a divorce. Courts will not inquire into facts. A "yes" is enough, even if the other party vehemently says "no".

The application can be made by either party or by both parties jointly.

In jurisdictions adopting the 'no-fault' principle in divorce proceedings, some courts may still take into account the behavior of the parties when dividing property, debts, evaluating custody, and support"facts that almost always have considerable weight in fault proceedings.[citation needed] In custody cases, courts might consider factors that may appear like 'fault' based issues but are really related to protection of the child or children. These may include but are not limited to one or both parent's substance abuse, history of violence, cruelty, instability, neglect or endangerment.

  • Short marriage (less than 5 years)
  • No children (or, in some states, when the spouses have resolved custody and set child support payments for children of the marriage)
  • Minimal or no real property (no mortgage)
  • Marital property is under a threshold (around $35,000 not including vehicles)
  • Each spouse's personal property is under a threshold (typically the same as marital property)

Uncontested divorce[edit]

It is estimated that upwards of 95% of divorces in the U.S. are "uncontested", because the two parties are able to come to an agreement (either with or without lawyers/mediators/collaborative counsel) about the property, children, and support issues. When the parties can agree and present the court with a fair and equitable agreement, approval of the divorce is almost guaranteed. If the two parties cannot come to an agreement, they may ask the court to decide how to split property and deal with the custody of their children. Though this may be necessary, the courts would prefer parties come to an agreement prior to entering court.[citation needed]

Where the issues are not complex and the parties are cooperative, a settlement often can be directly negotiated between them. In the majority of cases, forms are acquired from their respective state websites and a filing fee is paid to the state.[9] Most U.S. states charge between $175 and $350 for a simple divorce filing.[10][11][12] Collaborative divorce and mediated divorce are considered uncontested divorces.

Because of additional requirements that must be met, most military divorces are typically uncontested.

In the United States, many state court systems are experiencing an increasing proportion of pro se (i.e., litigants represent themselves without a lawyer) in divorce cases.[13] In San Diego, for example, the number of divorce filings involving at least one self-representing litigant rose from 46% in 1992 to 77% in 2000, and in Florida from 66% in 1999 to 73% in 2001.[13] Urban courts in California report that approximately 80% of the new divorce filings are filed pro se.[14]

Collaborative divorce[edit]

Collaborative divorce is a method for divorcing couples to come to agreement on divorce issues. In a collaborative divorce, the parties negotiate an agreed resolution with the assistance of attorneys who are trained in the collaborative divorce process and in mediation, and often with the assistance of a neutral financial specialist and/or divorce coach(es). The parties are empowered to make their own decisions based on their own needs and interests, but with complete information and full professional support.

Once the collaborative divorce starts, the lawyers are disqualified from representing the parties in a contested legal proceeding, should the collaborative law process end prematurely. Most attorneys who practice collaborative divorce claim that it can be more cost-effective than other divorce methods, e.g., going to court. Expense, they say, has to be looked at under the headings of financial and emotional. Also, the experience of working collaboratively tends to improve communication between the parties, particularly when collaborative coaches are involved, and the possibility of going back to court post-separation or divorce is minimized. In the course of the collaboration, should the parties not reach any agreements, any documents or information exchanged during the collaborative process cannot be used in court except by agreement between the parties.

Neither can any of the professional team retained in the course of the collaboration be brought to court. Essentially, they have the same protections as in mediation. There are two exceptions: 1) Any affidavit sworn in the course of the collaboration and vouching documentation attaching to same and 2) any interim agreement made and signed off in the course of the collaboration or correspondence relating thereto. The parties are in control of the time they are prepared to give their collaboration. Some people need a lot of time to complete, whereas others will reach solutions in a few meetings. Collaborative practitioners offer a tightly orchestrated model with meetings scheduled in advance every two weeks, and the range of items to be discussed apportioned in advance of signing up as well as the more open ended process, the clients decide.[citation needed]

Mediated divorce[edit]

Divorce mediation is an alternative to traditional divorce litigation. In a divorce mediation session, a mediator facilitates the discussion between the two parties by assisting with communication and providing information and suggestions to help resolve differences. At the end of the mediation process, the separating parties have typically developed a tailored divorce agreement that can be submitted to the court. Mediation sessions can include either party's attorneys, a neutral attorney, or an attorney-mediator who can inform both parties of their legal rights, but does not provide advice to either, or can be conducted with the assistance of a facilitative or transformative mediator without attorneys present at all. Some mediation companies, such as Wevorce, also pair clients with counselors, financial planners and other professionals to work through common mediation sticking points.[15] Divorce mediators may be attorneys who have experience in divorce cases, or they may be professional mediators who are not attorneys, but who have training specifically in the area of family court matters. Divorce mediation can be significantly less costly, both financially and emotionally, than litigation. The adherence rate to mediated agreements is much higher than that of adherence to court orders.[citation needed]

Polygamy and divorce[edit]

Polygamy is a significant structural factor governing divorce in countries where this is permitted. Little-to-no analysis has been completed to explicitly explain the link between marital instability and polygamy which leads to divorce. The frequency of divorce rises in polygamous marriages compared to monogamous relationships. Within polygamous unions, differences in conjugal stability are found to occur by wife order. There are 3 main mechanisms through which polygamy affects divorce: economic restraint, sexual satisfaction, and childlessness. Many women escape economic restraint through divorcing their spouses when they are allowed to initiate a divorce.[16]



all information taken from Wikipedia...




now let's hera your views on divorce?


is it right? is it wrong?

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jyoti06 thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very interesting topic Jen šŸ‘šŸ‘

Divorce is actually a legal document to declare a marriage is officially over .. its more like a official proof in front of law so that either of the party dont try to cry foul later ...

But in India I feel the word Divorce is more emotional than just practical ... It can literally break two people emotionally too ... A marriage is suppose to b union of two souls in India and Divorce is considered a death of that same union or the institution ...

In our show , CVs hv their own logic when it comes to real/fake marriages and divorce šŸ˜† ...

In my opinion RaShi's marriage was never officially registered to begin with and so though they might hv random proofs like media clicking their photos post marriage or Daaju mentioning the 3 month clause in his will , but the fact is RaShi marriage officially was not registered and so the whole divorce should actually not come in picture either but because post 3 months , Raghu was shown signing divorce papers , so we viewers kept bringing the whole divorce chapter in our discussion when Raghu married Sumi and brought her home without divorcing Shivani ...

Divorce is possible only when u hv official registry of your marriage actually ... I hope this time when RaShi gets married , they do a official registry too for future purpose šŸ˜†
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awida thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful idea to increase forum activity.
Thanks for these informations about divorce . I'll add some informations from my society .

Divorce in Islam is allowed . A man has the right to divorce a woman. In some muslim countries a woman has the right to refuse divorce. If a woman wants to get divorce she asks her hubby. If he refused she goes to court. If she has strong reasons like : her hubby's illness, him getting married to another woman, abusing , or him not able to have kids..court gives her divorce.

A muslim man can divorce his wife twice. If he divorces her trice he can't return her back to him unless she marries another man and get divorce from that man.

A divorced woman has to stay unmarried for 3 months after divorce . This to make she is not pregnant.

Coming to RaShi's marriage. It is a fake one , coz they did rituals without intention to stay married, also they didn't has a married couple relationship. So breaking it is easy if this was an Islamic marriage.


shym thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thank you for the post and info jen..
for Malaysian non-muslims;
you can get a divorce through court proceedings.
1. uncontested divorce
2. contested divorce
for Malaysian muslims;
regardless of methodology & categories, a marriage can only be annulled in court, typically the
court will appoint an arbitration committee to arbitrate & finally recommendations r forwarded back
to the court.
1. standard talaq initiated by husband
2. and khul initiated by wife
3. fasakh is court ordered divorce
4. ta'liq is a uniquely Malaysian divorce
5. li'an is a very special case divorce
that's a quick description of the various forms of divorce under Malaysian Islamic law.
(all above info fr net)
jen, in rashi's case their marriage wouldn't be legal here, as all non-muslim marriages
should be recognised under the Registration of Marriages with the Registration Department.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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here are the laws regarding divorce in my country

Q: What are the steps to getting a divorce in Trinidad and Tobago?



A: The law under the Matrimonial Proceedings and Property Act Chap 45:51.

Section 5(1) - a divorce petition cannot be presented until one year of marriage has passed, unless there are extreme circumstances.

Section 3 - the marriage must be at a stage where reconciliation is impossible.

Section 4(1) - The person initiating the divorce must prove:

(a) that the respondent has committed adultery and the petitioner finds it intolerable to live with the respondent;

(b) that the respondent has behaved in such a way that the petitioner cannot reasonably be expected to live with the respondent;

(c) that the respondent has deserted the petitioner for a continuous period of at least two years immediately preceding the presentation of the petition;

(d) that the parties to the marriage have lived apart for a continuous period of at least two years immediately preceding the presentation of the petition and the respondent consents to a decree being granted;

(e) that the parties to the marriage have lived apart for a continuous period of at least five years immediately preceding the presentation of the petition.


Section 4(2) - Empowers the court to investigate

Section 24(1) - A spouse may be entitled to maintenance especially when the other decides to leave his/her partner in a position that may impose a burden on society (benefits, etc.) i.e., disability or children. Most recent case at the time of posting: Ann-Marie Ramdhan v Peter Ramcharan, delivered on 22/06/2010.

If one spouse is overseas, Sections 62 - 62H lays down the law in that regard.

Note: In order to facilitate and respect the beliefs of other religions, there are separate laws governing Muslim and Hindu marriages and divorces in Trinidad and Tobago, which are:
-Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act,
-Hindu Marriage Act,

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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice post jen.to increase activity.. šŸ‘ i think in very worst situation of marriage divorse is essential...becaz it gives rights to man or woman to live happily if he or she is not happy..bt it is not good to get divorse on very silly things.. In our show how it enters i dont know bt i think raghu took this decision becaz he dont want to accept the situation and under sumi influence...:( In general divorse is not very good thing ..it hurts u emotionally..šŸ˜”...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I actually wont even utter dat word, this was the first time I've mentioned It multiple times in my mind, it was a little uneasy.. but I did it for a friend..
very good post though, many infos.. thank you so much..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shym

thank you for the post and info jen..

for Malaysian non-muslims;
you can get a divorce through court proceedings.
1. uncontested divorce
2. contested divorce
for Malaysian muslims;
regardless of methodology & categories, a marriage can only be annulled in court, typically the
court will appoint an arbitration committee to arbitrate & finally recommendations r forwarded back
to the court.
1. standard talaq initiated by husband
2. and khul initiated by wife
3. fasakh is court ordered divorce
4. ta'liq is a uniquely Malaysian divorce
5. li'an is a very special case divorce
that's a quick description of the various forms of divorce under Malaysian Islamic law.
(all above info fr net)
jen, in rashi's case their marriage wouldn't be legal here, as all non-muslim marriages
should be recognised under the Registration of Marriages with the Registration Department.


Thanks a lot Shym. You explained kinds of divorce in Islam very well.

It is sad to see many men use the right of divorce wrongly. And break a marriage in order to get married to another woman. It happens in muslim families even though second marriage is allowed, coz it is difficult for a man to have many wives ..it costs a lot.
--Jenelle-- thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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but guys is divorce acceptable in your eyes?

rekrn thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice Post Jen😊

Here in the USA divorce is not that big of an issue.

As for my view, it all depends on the circumstances for the divorce i.e. things that can cause harm to a person physically or mentally, infidelity ...I personally don't believe in divorce...When you make the decision to marry whether arranged or love, at that point you make a commitment to each other. Marriage is not easy, it takes a lot of hard work and dedication from both parties to make it a success. In marriage one person has to be a little more flexible usually it's the woman. Even in my marriage, we have had our share of arguments, but we are committed to each other neither of us believe that Divorce is the answer. We have learned to talk things out and work things out. If there are big decisons to me made we talk it out and come to a mutual decison. The minor decision i leave it to him to make because I know He is going to do what is best for our family. We both have a lot of respect and love for each other. Divorce to me is the easy way out, here expecially...don't get married if you are not going to take it seriously and do all you can to make it work. People getting married and within a few years or some in just a few months file for divorce It's beyond my comprehension.

For me Divorce should be the last resort when all avenues have been used to try to fix the marriage.

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