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Posted: 17 years ago
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AAh Shakira, so nice to hear from you and thank you for that excellent post. Liked the way you brought in teh fact that Armaan has everything going for him and not a classic tragic type or disadvantaged type and how humor helps us survive tough situations

I guess Charlie Chaplin has evoked more undertones of pain and empathy with the undertone of suffering and left me heavy hearted when I have seen his movies. I guess he coveys pathos in his body language and I identify more with pain than the comic element like Sareeta mentioned in a conversation.

Another thing is can we relate to using sadism and humor in the same breath as sadistic humor or sarcasm. How can humor be related to something so brutal or is there no humor there. Is humor only associated with cathartic, uplifting, healing process or is there a dark side to humor. We do tend to laugh when we are bitter or angry even sometimes, or should i say smile caustically. Makes me wonder.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareeta

Aarti - THank you soooo much for obliging and putting up this post! Means a lot! I really wanted you to pen down on that thought, coz I knew , no one else could do justice better than you!!! aaap kuch maangein aur main mana karoon? meri itni kahaan majaal...

But may I dare say , that much as my intent of the vid mix was to bring out this paradox of how the two emotions of pain and laughter are interlinked and are always not ignorable given the sensibilities of the one perceiving them....I also did wonder , how often was it , that we are able to sense the undercurrent of pain , in the humor and seemingly witty and comical statements of strangers we meet... quite often sareeta...and u are of couse bang on with the observation there...strangers who laugh and make us laugh do come with a paplpable sense of pain that makes us repsct thie laughter more. of course it also depends on how perceptive we are as individuals to see through thier laughter and respect the pathos that motivates the laughter. and i will not shy away from using the word motivate....

I guess... what I am getting at is that when we do interact with strangers as well and enjoy some good fun filled moments with them... and comment saying they have a sense of humor... that an undercurrent of painful tone that accompanies their sense of humor is palpable ... and it perhaps makes us appreciate their sense of humor all the more and also , get us thinking on the fact at times... that if the matters at hand , that we laughed at only moments ago , are really a matter to be laughed at ...? our doubts on whether we were correct in laughing at matters that probably required a more grave attitude is mere guilt, but we could take heart at the fact that atleast we do we feel guilty, and that redeems our laughter. and of course, they are aiming at laughter, not just to impress, but to ameliorate the intensity of their pain. a sort of reassurance that we give them, that yes, we may not know them, we may not know their pain, but we will laugh along with them and abet the process of lightening their incubus!!

I dare say, I spoke there from personal experience , in the sense that I have always been able to unknowingly ... and not really realizing, been able to sense a painful undertone to seemingly comic situations be it with strangers ... or even friends... and hence this sudden urge to share this thought , that has always been with me... for several years...

I guess as a child, I refused to laugh at things, that others found funny and never realized it ... but I jus thought it was not ok and something jus stopped me from laughing... and when I asked... I jus didnt have a reason... but knew... I was never gonna laugh at that...... and as I grew up... my desperation to understand this behavior has got me thinking... although this is the first ever time I shared it with someone and requested to write about it...sometimes sareeta, when you laugh, you make those suffering, even if they are strangers, feel better about their pain. the smile on your face brightens their lives!!

Thank you Aarti and Gina... for making it all so clear to me...!!!

I hope I made some sense there! If not ... my apologies for confusing all the more...

Like the wise say... Confusion of mind , spread on to many others is what leads to a perfect discussion! 😉

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Posted: 17 years ago
#53
Thanks Gina...u do send my brain cells on an overdrive! Just loved reading ur comments here!!

And yes there is a very dark & cruel side to humor too...our first brush with it comes as kids in school! Don't u think children can be very cruel to each-other at times cause they use the humor w/o realising the effect it is having. And then as u grow older u realise that this can be used as a deadly weapon to demoralise the opponent. I feel most times sarcasm cuts a much deeper wound than straight out criticism would! U see the mockery brings with it a fair dose of ridicule...And sometimes we convey our bitterness only too well by adding sardonic humor...

And yes charlie chaplin did make me feel very sad inside...cause he never really won, just adjusted to the changing circumstances continuously with that sad smile on his lips & that wistfull look in his eyes. And all said & done we need hope to make bitter humor palatable. One shd always feel there is light at the end of the tunnel and I will emerge frm this with a smile still on my lips...What say- I think I just rambled on...am still thinking this thro'

And am still waiting for Sareeta's response.... 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: shakira07

Sareeta…finally managed to download the vm & watched it! (was unable to do it over the weekend). The effect of the video combined with the great insights into humour, pain, laughter, human pathos that u , Gina & Aarti hve put up here, makes for such wonderful fodder for the mind!! Its like a feast after a week of fasting…. Aaaah, Good to see ya Sharika... am so happy and my my , what a lovely feast seeing your lovely long reply.... makes my day when I see such long detailed informative replies... I tell ya... I love our GOG, who give me every reason to stay glued to IF , while I can!

What started off as thought and I decided to bring it across in a VM , has transcended into this beautiful discussion with my request to Aarti to elaborate on the thought that drove me to make the VM itself... and I cant thank her and all of you enough for this absolutely stimulating discussion and more so for me , coz its so super informative ...!!!

And talk about fasting... Aarti missing from the forum a week , was like finding ourselves in a desert without paani... aah the sahara to be precise... and boy did she come back with a bang and how!!! 😉

I had this BIG smile on my face while watching the vm cause u hve brought out Armaan's emotions with endearing comic relief – yet not for a moment did I feel that the creator of the vm or the audience was laughing at Armaan! We were all some how part of his pain, understanding his sense of helplessness & yet willing him along with us to just find wit in the irony of his situation….ur empathy for the character came thro' clearly in every frame. Thank you sooooo much!!! It was exactly how I had envisioned the video and I am glad I could bring it so, through in the video as well!!! You've so precisely put in words , what exactly was going through in my mind while making the video... mockery disrespect or disregard was never intention in the video and I was nervous that it may be interpreted so... but am glad... it was not so and the true intent of it was seen and appreciated...

Absolutely superb….it goes totally in line with what u hve said in the last post here– humor & the underlying pain (or vice versa) are part & parcel of the same emotion. One breeds off the other….and perhaps the creator willed it so, in order to make survival easier for us mortals!!
Otherwise heartbreak wud render us incapable of laughing again. So as we grow mature we learn to see difficult situations in a lighter vein & move on. So true .... it seems inherent to nature and something that is a part of our lives and our battles and our attitudes that get us through!

From my experience I feel laugher & humor always helps dissolve some very tense moments in life and get u out of tricky situations! But one does hve to learn to laugh at oneself for this effort to succeed. Infact, a parenting class I attended, offered humor as a solution to end dead-lock in a tough situation with ur child. (hope am not digressing, but wanted to highlight that humor is not relevant in the man-woman relationship alone)

Aaah, I see your point there... and yes... humor is not relevant only to man woman and I completely agree and no denying that... but I loved the fact that you explained that with the example of handling a tough situation with a kid...! And yes... a certain sense of taking oneself lightly is needed to appreciate things .... life aint about being serious all the time...and humor is an inherent to our lives.. no matter in what variations and shades...

And sareeta like u said this vm reminded me of Raj Kapoor in 'Mera Naam Joker' & yes Charlie chaplin!! But what I like here is that it need not be the quintessential loser guy who has to experience this tragic-comic aspect of life – cause Armaan in no way typifies that definition. He has everything going for him (looks, brains, money, character) yet he is left 'Pyassa' by the object of his obsession…that's the beauty of it all. Sharika... I couldnt thank you enough for highlighting the reason that Armaan was chosen as the main character for this video, coz for some one like Atul does come across as loser to people who feel superior to him ....and if you really see Atul seems to be at a disadvantage adn so if he does not get something it can attributed to him not having something in him... either the style or money or what not but Armaan is the quintessential dude every girl is swooning over and yet there is a tragic sense to his everyday survival when he sees his dove eyed love and feels the thirst ... that remains unquenched...! 😉 Little things in life one pines and whines for!! Aah ...!!!

Well, now u made me write soooooo much after such a long time. Thanks for providing such stimulus!!!
Really humbled and thank you tooo you for taking time to chip and giving me food for thought as well!!!

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Aarti...hey cm on, why did u stop short & not respond to my thoughts... 😭 Pls do...mee too waiting 4 ur golden words!

Aapne mera 'Worst of Riddhima' par bhi comment ignore kar diya... 😭 and here I was so glad u were the only other person who thought they wud take the 'Dil' wala route after yesterday...

BTW am working on my take on 'Mind of a woman'...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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oye sharika...hold on to your horses woman....all comments on their way!!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Sareeta...thanx so much for responding in such detail. 😃 loved it! And yes the best thing abt ur video was that it was a guy like 'Armaan' who was the subject matter. U went against the grain of common thought which u normaly do...

And yes aarti was sorely missed last week...the forum went ekdum thanda w/o her. She acts like a catalyst, like chlorine in the chromyl chloride test (hope my chemistry lessons r in order)to create the sulphur fumes in order to bring the chemical reaction among the GOG to a bubbling point...heeheehee cudn't help making the analogy!!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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@ sharika...

i envy you...you were actually able to watch the VM in its entirity unlike me...thanks to an early experience that was hilarious and i can never forget it!!! but really your reaction to it was beautiful...i particularly liked the fact, like sareeta that u chose to highlight sareeta's choice of armaan as the tragi-comic hero, rather than someone else. the tragedy is indeed pronounced, beacsue armaan has everything going for him!!!

as for the take on the dark side of humour, i think pure laughter can never have a dark side. when humour becomes cruel, it ceases to be funny. and the laughter that comes along with cruelty is not ever genuine. it is always forced, a theatrical reinforcement, and rings with artificiality!!! what say???
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Sharika: Loved the chemistry analogy.. waise meri chemistry weak hai... mar ye analogy samajh aa gaya ...!!! And yeah , I am kinda proud (without sounding pompous and arrogant ...) of the fact that I took the take on the video on Armaan and not on Atul, coz I am pleased with myself in a way that I was able to see things in a diff tangent... I guess I loved the irony of it all happening to Armaan , when taken in a lighter sense ... for he has it all ... and yet is pining... !!! Poor thing! 😆 Zindagi... sacchi uske liye pyaas bankar reh gayi! 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: shakira07

Sareeta...thanx so much for responding in such detail. 😃 loved it! And yes the best thing abt ur video was that it was a guy like 'Armaan' who was the subject matter. U went against the grain of common thought which u normaly do...

And yes aarti was sorely missed last week...the forum went ekdum thanda w/o her. She acts like a catalyst, like chlorine in the chromyl chloride test (hope my chemistry lessons r in order)to create the sulphur fumes in order to bring the chemical reaction among the GOG to a bubbling point...heeheehee cudn't help making the analogy!!!

of all the subjects in the world...you pick the one that has always had me puking in the corridors!! but thank you guys sooooooo much for all this!! i never realised i would be missed so much and i am not just saying this for effect. i genuinely do not have a very elevated opinion of myself!!!!

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